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I'm considering purchasing the PXG 0311 P irons (gen 2).  I will preface this by saying that I'm one of the few golfers who CANNOT hit hybrids....I rely on my current Tommy Armour 4 iron which is 24 degrees....the PXG 4 iron is 21.5 degrees......my current set of irons has old school lofts....my wedge is 48 degrees.  I am not accustomed to hitting these juiced up irons with crazy lofts, so I have no clue if the 21.5 degree 4 iron will launch easier than I'm used to, or if its basically going to be like hitting my current 3 iron, which I'm afraid to use....would certainly appreciate y'alls input, and if you think I may have trouble with the 4 iron....thank you!

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Buy the 4i to the set, and take them to the range with a positive attitude.  I play older lofted 620 series CB/MB and still, at 70, rely on long irons, out to 2 iron. 

Things to consider: The 0311 family all have hollow heads. This alone will assist with launch. As soles get thicker (T through SGI) the CG moves back, which increases launch angle. If you

Forget the 4 iron and go with a 7 wood... I play with to many friends that pull out the 4 and then regret hitting it.. . I can't hit a hybrid at all.. they are a hook machine for me  I plan

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Are they selling cheap? If so, yes... but why not get whatever club comes in a 24 degree loft? 
 

lower irons depend on swing speed for launch, so it also helps if you swing like a golfwrxer. 
 

you can always demo a sub70 utility iron!

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Last fall I got my new irons and am really playing well with them now.   
anyways I just ordered the four iron for my set to replace a hybrid that my five iron is about same distance as.  So, If you get the four upfront you might like your gaps better.
 

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Buy the 4i to the set, and take them to the range with a positive attitude.  I play older lofted 620 series CB/MB and still, at 70, rely on long irons, out to 2 iron. 

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Things to consider:

  • The 0311 family all have hollow heads. This alone will assist with launch.
  • As soles get thicker (T through SGI) the CG moves back, which increases launch angle. If you got an XF 4i, would this help matters?
  • If you had the 4i shaft softstepped, this would improve feel and ease launch.

 

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What's In The Bag (Summary as of October 2020)

 

Driver:  Tour Edge EXS 10.5°, weights neutral   ||  FWs:  Calla Rogue 4W + 7W

Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i-9i

Wedges:  Calla MD3: 48°, 54°... MD4: 58° ||  Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced)

Ball: Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred)  ||  Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag

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Thank you all for the replies!  I was thinking of going with the 0311 P for 5-PW and getting the 4 iron in the 0311 XF....unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the only iron they will have to demo is the 7 iron....lame, right???  I have a very steep delivery, and have tried COUNTLESS hybrids and fairway woods of all lofts....I hit them all thin, or crazy right.  The ONLY wood I can hit is my old Powerbilt persimmon 5 wood....been using it since 1979.  I realize that the PXG 5 iron will replace the current loft of my 4 iron, but all my wedges are already spaced out correctly, and it would seem crazy to only carry 13 clubs.  Having said all this, should the 0311 XF 4 iron be significantly easier to hit then the 0311 P 4 iron?

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On 1/22/2021 at 9:29 PM, Joe Mannix said:

I'm considering purchasing the PXG 0311 P irons (gen 2).  I will preface this by saying that I'm one of the few golfers who CANNOT hit hybrids....I rely on my current Tommy Armour 4 iron which is 24 degrees....the PXG 4 iron is 21.5 degrees......my current set of irons has old school lofts....my wedge is 48 degrees.  I am not accustomed to hitting these juiced up irons with crazy lofts, so I have no clue if the 21.5 degree 4 iron will launch easier than I'm used to, or if its basically going to be like hitting my current 3 iron, which I'm afraid to use....would certainly appreciate y'alls input, and if you think I may have trouble with the 4 iron....thank you!

 

It will be like hitting your current 3 iron. Loft is king. 

 

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I play a 24° 4 iron and can't really hit the 21° 3 iron that came with the set with any reliable consistency. Even the 4 iron at 24° is a club I'm less confident in than my 27° 5 iron. All the modern sets I'm looking at have 5 iron lofts of 23-25° so I'm thinking if I upgrade my longest iron will be the 5 iron. Unless there is some 'tech' in these modern irons that make them easier to hit the 21° slot will continue to be filled by a hybrid. So if I was you I wouldn't get the 4i except maybe as a driving iron. But we are all different and YMMV. 

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10 hours ago, Joe Mannix said:

Thank you all for the replies!  I was thinking of going with the 0311 P for 5-PW and getting the 4 iron in the 0311 XF....unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the only iron they will have to demo is the 7 iron....lame, right???  I have a very steep delivery, and have tried COUNTLESS hybrids and fairway woods of all lofts....I hit them all thin, or crazy right.  The ONLY wood I can hit is my old Powerbilt persimmon 5 wood....been using it since 1979.  I realize that the PXG 5 iron will replace the current loft of my 4 iron, but all my wedges are already spaced out correctly, and it would seem crazy to only carry 13 clubs.  Having said all this, should the 0311 XF 4 iron be significantly easier to hit then the 0311 P 4 iron?

I think you'd have a cool factor going if you keep the old school persimmon alongside your new PXGs!  I say you don't know until you try.  If you already hit your old 4 iron well, and you haven't liked hybrids or other woods, the XF 4 iron might be confidence inspiring even at its lower loft.  Can't tell you anything about the PXGs but they look inviting. 

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18 hours ago, Joe Mannix said:

That's what I was afraid of.....I was hoping the XF model would launch easier, even though its the same loft as the P model.

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More than loft is involved. XF has thicker sole, meaning Center of Gravity is set deeper (farther from face). This improves improve launch.

 

What's In The Bag (Summary as of October 2020)

 

Driver:  Tour Edge EXS 10.5°, weights neutral   ||  FWs:  Calla Rogue 4W + 7W

Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i-9i

Wedges:  Calla MD3: 48°, 54°... MD4: 58° ||  Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced)

Ball: Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred)  ||  Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag

For details see:  Pending (need protocol to embed file list).

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I would appreciate it if you could explain exactly how a deeper (rearward?) COG improves launch (increases launching angle?).  I understand that a rearward COG can add dynamic loft as the COG moves to be in line with the shaft but only if swing speed is adequate, which people who cannot use heir long irons mostly don’t have.

 

I have read OEM material indicating they make clubs with lower COG so that the top of the club will bend back, again adding dynamic loft, but it would seem to me only of the ball is struck high on the face, which people who cannot use their long irons mostly don’t do, since they mostly hit the ball after hitting the ground.

 

 

7 hours ago, ChipNRun said:

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More than loft is involved. XF has thicker sole, meaning Center of Gravity is set deeper (farther from face). This improves improve launch.

 

 

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10 hours ago, NotThatGuyorAmI? said:

have read OEM material indicating they make clubs with lower COG so that the top of the club will bend back, again adding dynamic loft, but it would seem to me only of the ball is struck high on the face, which people who cannot use their long irons mostly don’t do, since they mostly hit the ball after hitting the ground.

A couple of issues with your argument.

 

First... Hitting high on the face (slightly above midpoint) only has benefit for drivers and fairway woods. With irons, hitting high on the face can produce pop-ups that come down 20 yards short of the target.

image.png.3ede486dbbf8bc19a6d47265c5bf54ba.png For an iron, horizontal impact  ideally centers on the fourth groove of the clubface. Lower produces a lower, hotter shot and higher produces a higher, floatier shot. Groove 3 or groove 5 we can live with, but much above or below shot quality falls.

 

Second... . Hitting the ground first is a swing flaw. It can relate to clubhead speed indirectly, but it directly relates to poor weight shift on downswing.

 

My set has a 3i. I can make a good stroke, hit ball first, and get a low line drive that goes out maybe 130 yards and starts bouncing along the ground. I'm hitting ball first, but don't have the clubhead speed to launch the ball effectively. My 4i now has a hybrid shaft (about 15 grams lighter than steel KBS Tour 90) and makes an excellent driving iron. But 3i is a no-go.

 

Also, you are forgetting about the shaft dynamics. Although loft and head design is primary determinant of trajectory, the shaft has an identifiable secondary effect on flight.

 

I once talked to a local pro who was a Ping staffer. He really liked the G20 iron, and said he had fitted everyone from scratch golfers to 20 HDCPers in the model. The key thing, he said, was to get the right shaft for that golfer.

 

A stronger golfer would needs more robust shafts so he doesn't balloon the ball, and an average golfer needs more helpful shafts to help with launch.

What's In The Bag (Summary as of October 2020)

 

Driver:  Tour Edge EXS 10.5°, weights neutral   ||  FWs:  Calla Rogue 4W + 7W

Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i-9i

Wedges:  Calla MD3: 48°, 54°... MD4: 58° ||  Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced)

Ball: Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred)  ||  Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag

For details see:  Pending (need protocol to embed file list).

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