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Anyone else not carrying a gap wedge and filling the gap using partial shots with the pitching wedge.

 

47 degree P760 PW 

54 degree Vokey SM7

58 degree Vokey SM7

 

Ive tested 50/51 degree and they are too close to the pitching wedge. I don’t see enough separation to justify carrying the gap wedge 

 

 

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The full shot GW is quite easy to cover with a knockdown PW, the shot I don’t like covering with a PW is the knockdown GW. A full 56 for me is 110. A full 52 is 125. Full PW is 140-145.  I like to hit

46 52 58 Can play any shot needed from 140 in with those 3 clubs. 

For me, that spot depends on my needs at the top of the bag.  If I think I need to add another club, then the GW gets dropped and I change up my wedges a bit for better gapping.  if not, then I will r

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I think it all depends on your gapping and what your stock/push and 3/4 swings are. I think its perfectly reasonable to not carry a GW if you don't need it, or feel comfortable with those more feel-y shots.

 

For me, living at altitude, my PW is my stock 145 shot, that I can press to 155, smooth full swing at 135, and 3/4 swing at around 110-115. My GW stock is 130, press to 140, smooth full of 110ish, and 3/4 of 100. I have an idea of those numbers for all of my clubs, but since my PW is my 145 club, and my SW is my 110 club, I needed a club in between.

 

Its all about gapping and comfort with the feel shots hitting the numbers you need. You see players like Tiger without a GW, but his PW is functionally a GW (he's not going from 46 to 56). If you don't need the GW, then don't game it.

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The full shot GW is quite easy to cover with a knockdown PW, the shot I don’t like covering with a PW is the knockdown GW. A full 56 for me is 110. A full 52 is 125. Full PW is 140-145.  I like to hit the 100-110 range with a little gap wedge a lot. It’s a big time scoring shot for me. I don’t love hitting that shot with my PW if possible. It’s course dependant though. I use my wedges way more than I use long clubs so I’d rather go driver, 3w, hybrid, 4-PW. I don’t need a 5w or anything else in there. 

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For me, that spot depends on my needs at the top of the bag.  If I think I need to add another club, then the GW gets dropped and I change up my wedges a bit for better gapping.  if not, then I will run a 4 wedge set up for my 14 clubs.

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Another option I really lean towards for us mortal golfers is to drop the lob wedge to free up IE a 5/7 wood slot.

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I played 47-54-60 or 47-51-60 a lot when I was a kid.  If you don't think about it and just figure out how to hit shots it will work reasonably well.

 

I think Adam Scott was playing 48-54-60 for a long time but even he has moved on to 52-56-60.   Per others, I think a lot depends on course setup and how easy it is to bring in wedge shots without the same height/spin as a full swing.

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Depends on your courses IMHO. I play a fair amount of courses where I have shots from 60-120y. I like having a Pelz like matrix of yardages with repeatable distances for these scoring shots which means an extra wedge for me. 46PW is 125ish for me, full 60 85y. I have dropped a wedge for winter rounds where I have similar short shots and while its fun trying to get the 52 to hit the 56 numbers, I can't say my accuracy is the same with distance to hole either. 🙂 

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6 hours ago, agolf1 said:

I played 47-54-60 or 47-51-60 a lot when I was a kid.  If you don't think about it and just figure out how to hit shots it will work reasonably well.

 

I think Adam Scott was playing 48-54-60 for a long time but even he has moved on to 52-56-60.   Per others, I think a lot depends on course setup and how easy it is to bring in wedge shots without the same height/spin as a full swing.


FWIW despite this thread being about dropping the GW, I think most of the time you’ll see pros dropping the SW rather than the GW. My 54/56 spins so much it’s very hard to get it anywhere close to a PW with a proper wedge swing. That’s another thing to emphasize - with 47/52/58 or similar, there is nothing you have to smash. If you go right to a 54 or 56 from your PW, there are likely a lot of shots that you don’t feel comfortable hitting the little PW with in the 100-115 range that you’re going to feel like you have to step on the SW.

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Maybe. This year I will either drop a top club and play 46/50/53/58 or keep the extra top club and go 46/50/58  OR 46/53/58.


I also have another wedge setup that would be 48/54/60. Drop the 46.

 

A lot of unknowns as I've added some clubs and will need some range time to figure it out.

 

I'm leaning towards less wedges at this point.

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13 hours ago, TigerInTheWoods said:

The full shot GW is quite easy to cover with a knockdown PW, the shot I don’t like covering with a PW is the knockdown GW. A full 56 for me is 110. A full 52 is 125. Full PW is 140-145.  I like to hit the 100-110 range with a little gap wedge a lot. It’s a big time scoring shot for me. I don’t love hitting that shot with my PW if possible. It’s course dependant though. I use my wedges way more than I use long clubs so I’d rather go driver, 3w, hybrid, 4-PW. I don’t need a 5w or anything else in there. 

Same here, a knockdown GW is a great scoring shot over a full SW anytime.  Sure a knockdown PW can cover a full GW (120-125), but for me a 110 shot is a knockdown GW.  I just don't practice that with a PW, though I'm sure others have a better feel for this.

 

I chose to drop an un-needed middle club instead, and can knockdown a 4I or 4H to cover my 5I slot, keeping heavy top and bottom ends.

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Used to use a 48d, 56d, & 60d setup for years until I was sick and tired of choking down on my PW for shots to cover the gap between 48d to 56d.  Got a 52 gap wedge and took out my 60 lob wedge about 6 years ago and been happy ever since.  With no lob wedge I forced myself to open the face of my 56 and learned to use its bounce and I'm a much better wedge player too.

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I think the set up you have, 47, 54, 58 is legit.  If you’re able to hit a shot 10-15 yards less than a full swing with the 47 with confidence, then don’t spend the extra money changing things around.  Those are nice clubs you have already. 

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I am 46, 50, 55, 60

 

Wednesdays round I hit my 50 degree 3 times. Saturdays round I didn't hit my 50 degree once, I actually hit my 46 degree 2 that for yardage it was in my normal 50 degree range.

 

Weather was not a factor for either round.

 

I previously had 46. 54. 60 and resisted the change for so long but glad I did. Most annoying thing for me with 4 wedges over 3 is now having to practice with 4 rather than 3! 

 

At the top end I can hit a 3/4 2 iron over hitting my old 3 iron full out. Plus except off the tee I very rarely need to hit that yardage, biggest disadvantage it does fly a lot lower. I am not good at full swings with less speed.

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I think 47/54/60 was a very common and popular setup when the typical PW loft was 47°. So if you have a 47° PW this is still a legitimate option. But with most PW seemingly in the 43°-45° loft range these days I think some kind of GW around 50° would be needed. 

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My GW is my favourite club in the bag, it ain't going nowhere.

I could easily drop my SW as it rarely ever gets used, and just keep stick with my 50 and 58

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I just recently bought a Adams CMB gap wedge to go with my 6-PW... It replaces my 50 degree vokey. From 100 yards, I like my sand wedge. From 125 yards, I like my pitching wedge... 101-124 is a gap where I need a wedge.

 

My goal this off season is to get comfortable hitting all four wedges 46, 50, 54 and 58 in 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 swings and map out the distances... ideally, that will mean my gap wedge adds three "stock" distances to my bag.

 

I don't need anything at the top of my bag. I could drop my hybrid, utility iron or 3 wood and be just fine, so there is no reason to NOT carry a gap wedge...

 

But that's my 14 club setup. It works for me... might not work for you.

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7 hours ago, TigerInTheWoods said:


FWIW despite this thread being about dropping the GW, I think most of the time you’ll see pros dropping the SW rather than the GW. My 54/56 spins so much it’s very hard to get it anywhere close to a PW with a proper wedge swing. That’s another thing to emphasize - with 47/52/58 or similar, there is nothing you have to smash. If you go right to a 54 or 56 from your PW, there are likely a lot of shots that you don’t feel comfortable hitting the little PW with in the 100-115 range that you’re going to feel like you have to step on the SW.

FWIW, he was asking about playing a 47-54-58.  I responded saying I've played a 47-54 (same as what he's looking at) or a 47-51.  Both work unless you think too hard about it.

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FWIW, he was asking about playing a 47-54-58.  I responded saying I've played a 47-54 (same as what he's looking at) or a 47-51.  Both work unless you think too hard about it.

 

Yes I know. I wasn't saying you were wrong. I was just saying for the players on your that use 3 wedge setups, it's generally speaking PW, GW, LW rather than PW, SW, LW. 

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8 hours ago, tannyhoban said:

Maybe. This year I will either drop a top club and play 46/50/53/58 or keep the extra top club and go 46/50/58  OR 46/53/58.


I also have another wedge setup that would be 48/54/60. Drop the 46.

 

A lot of unknowns as I've added some clubs and will need some range time to figure it out.

 

I'm leaning towards less wedges at this point.

I did something similar a few years ago 47 PW, 50, 54, 60.

 

Found the 3* gap too close so ended up dropping the 50. 
 

Currently alternate between 47 PW, 52, 56, 60 or PW, 52. 58 depending on how well/how much I’m playing or if I want more options at the top of the bag.

 

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When I redid my wedges last time, I sensed duplication for both the set PW or the 50°.

 

So, I split the difference and refitted with a 48°.

 

Third wedge for that first year: a MD.PM 60*/10 U-grind (similar to high toe), but had trouble with distance control. I switched to a 58*/8 C-grind, which works much better (see current WITB).

 

Note: I have a bit of a distance gap between 9i and 48°. So, use either a three-quarter 9i to shave distance or a delofted 48° to add distance.

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I’ve played PW/54/60 for forever. I’d say a 4 wedge setup definitely helps with having fewer partial shots, just have to consider the other end of your bag. I’ve played around with adding a 52 and 56 but for now I’m moving to a T20 47* in lieu of the set PW to see if that helps with the partial shots.

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I also go 46(to 47) - 54 - 60 in vokeys.  Far prefer the look of a vokey 46 to a set PW. 

One thing I like is if I'm using the 47* to cover a 110-120 shot its easier to give the shot a little shape to the right or left, and easier to hit something with lower spin that will land below the hole and release a little.

 

105-115 can be a little tricky to get exactly right, but its a skill that isn't so hard to learn.

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On 1/24/2021 at 9:35 AM, kiwihacker said:

I think 47/54/60 was a very common and popular setup when the typical PW loft was 47°. So if you have a 47° PW this is still a legitimate option. But with most PW seemingly in the 43°-45° loft range these days I think some kind of GW around 50° would be needed. 

I agree.  My set's current PW is 44 degrees so I will be buying a GW.  There is too much of a gap between my PW and 54 SW.  Probably a 48 that I can loft up or down a degree

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I've played 46/50/56/60 since the early 80s and can't imagine golf without all 4 clubs. 

 

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My standard setup is 46 51 56 61 that's just a 52 & 60 adjusted. I use a spinny ball and can stretch the 61 to 100 but it's coming back in hurry lol. I use all 3 wedges chipping and pitching and for longer shots I really lean on the 51. I like to get one big bounce and then a grab and it's hard to make the 56 hop enough. 

 

I try to set the wedges up for the conditions so I'll use the different basic grinds, nothing all that special but I need the LW to hit dead from anything but an awful lie, no bounce no roll just a velcro grab. Then the GW is the big bounce and trickle. The 56 is just like the book says, more bounce on the sole for bad lies and longer bunker shots and when I'm pitching it reacts as a tweener. If I have 20-30 ft of green to work with from fairway or the semi I'll take the 56, land it 10-12 ft short, one little hop and I don't really have to worry much about the slope and break unless it's severe. 

 

The lofts are 5 in between most often just to have the gaps 15 apart so there's no hole to a weird pin or whatever. I want my setup to give me freedom to play aggressive and know that I can shortside myself and it's not going to be a problem. Just trying to make it easier without having to invent stuff if I don't absolutely have to, but I need all 3 most of the time and that 46 is just the shortest iron.

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