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I'm using Billy Bob's brass tip weights in graphite shafts, and would like to secure them with silicone.  The tip weights are pictured with holes through the center, but the ones I received are solid and have a slot cut into the head instead.  With the weight installed in the shaft, the little slot is useless for letting trapped air and excess epoxy escape.  My solution was to slather the weight and inside of the shaft with silicone, then drop the weight into the hosel, and put the epoxy-coated shaft in on top of everything.  This works, but it just seems Mickey Mouse and I'm not super enthused about putting wet silicone and wet epoxy together.  Any tips? Thanks!

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One thing that has also helped me is to heat the hosel with a heat gun on the low setting as your pushing in the shaft.  This makes the epoxy a little more fluid and pushes out air as you're pushing t

The only reason is to avoid possible rattles in the future from the long, heavy weight.  I'm fairly certain even epoxy is viscous enough to seal off the tip though.    "Slip-it-all-in-togeth

Final word from BB's is that what I received is correct, but the design has changed from a hole in the center of the weight to a slot across the head. The product photo is incorrect and will be update

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There’s never really an easy way with those types of weights. They’re just a PITA. Very light coating on the wall on the top half of the hosel and epoxy on the shaft has worked in my experience. Sometimes you just need to spin the shaft and work with it a bit to get the air out. When you get it out, that resistance will sometimes turn to suction. Using a slower setting epoxy will help in the fact it will let you mess with it without fear of the epoxy starting to set on you. 
 

when I was going a lot of graphite shafts, I was using that type in the beginning and eventually just decided to spend a little more and get the tungsten ones from GW. They are molded weights and have a slot up the stem that inserts into the shaft. Much easier to work with in my experience. 

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For me, those weights are PITA to remove if you ever need to reshaft, but I've never had a problem with an air lock during the installation of the head.  How big are you drilling out the ID of the shaft before installing?

 

I should add, the ones I use have a slot cut all the way up the stem, not just a slot in the head.  Is that not the case for yours?  Maybe the design changed.

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1 hour ago, Bogey Fett said:

I'm using Billy Bob's brass tip weights in graphite shafts, and would like to secure them with silicone.  The tip weights are pictured with holes through the center, but the ones I received are solid and have a slot cut into the head instead.  With the weight installed in the shaft, the little slot is useless for letting trapped air and excess epoxy escape.  My solution was to slather the weight and inside of the shaft with silicone, then drop the weight into the hosel, and put the epoxy-coated shaft in on top of everything.  This works, but it just seems Mickey Mouse and I'm not super enthused about putting wet silicone and wet epoxy together.  Any tips? Thanks!

You ordered or were sent the wrong tip weight.  BB's has 2 versions of the brass weight for graphite.  One has a hole in the middle and one has a slot in the side.  I would call them (or check to see what you ordered) and get the right ones.

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6 minutes ago, Bogey Fett said:

The slot on these is only on the head.  I haven’t drilled out the shaft at all, I’m using masking tape as a shim to give the weight a snug fit.

 

 

call them up.  I hope it's some kind of manufacturing mix up because a slot in just the head is useless.

 

Or you could try to cut a channel in the masking tape.

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7 minutes ago, Socrates said:

You ordered or were sent the wrong tip weight.  BB's has 2 versions of the brass weight for graphite.  One has a hole in the middle and one has a slot in the side.  I would call them (or check to see what you ordered) and get the right ones.

I just checked, the only option I see is for weight. Only one version for 335 and 355 shafts. Maybe they changed the design as mentioned above.

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Which ones did you order:

 

These are the standard ones which I've used without problems.

 

https://store.billybobsgolf.com/product/brass-swingweights-for-graphite-shafts/

 

or these - which I have not used.  They are newer and the smaller diameter might not allow for the channel or hole like the ones above.

https://store.billybobsgolf.com/product/brass-swingweight-for-heavy-graphite-shafts-with-small-mandrel-hole/

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2 minutes ago, Stuart_G said:

Which ones did you order:

 

These are the standard ones which I've used without problems.

 

https://store.billybobsgolf.com/product/brass-swingweights-for-graphite-shafts/

 

or these - which I have not used.  They are newer and the smaller diameter might not allow for the channel or hole like the ones above.

https://store.billybobsgolf.com/product/brass-swingweight-for-heavy-graphite-shafts-with-small-mandrel-hole/

I ordered the standard ones that come in various weights as I needed 10g. The weights pictured most definitely have a hole in them, but it is not mentioned in the description. I sent them an email, we’ll see what they say.

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3 minutes ago, Bogey Fett said:

I ordered the standard ones that come in various weights as I needed 10g. The weights pictured most definitely have a hole in them, but it is not mentioned in the description. I sent them an email, we’ll see what they say.

 

Maybe you got the smaller diameter ones by accident.   Do you have a set of calipers you can use to measure them?  The fact that you need masking tape to get a snug fit is a bit suspicious.

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Are they solid all the way down the shaft of the weight?  If they are hollow but seal at the bottom then you could chop off the disk portion and just install the tube in the inside of the shaft.  It might reduce the weight by a gram or so but would solve the problem.

 

If they are solid then you could install the weight into the hosel first and then install the shaft on top of the weight and into the hosel of the head.  The epoxy would use the inside of the shaft as the air escape.

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8 minutes ago, 03trdblack said:

Are they solid all the way down the shaft of the weight?  If they are hollow but seal at the bottom then you could chop off the disk portion and just install the tube in the inside of the shaft.  It might reduce the weight by a gram or so but would solve the problem.

 

If they are solid then you could install the weight into the hosel first and then install the shaft on top of the weight and into the hosel of the head.  The epoxy would use the inside of the shaft as the air escape.

Solid from end to end. The method you described is what I ended up doing (except using silicone instead of epoxy to secure the weight), but it is still finicky and I can't be 100% that all of the air has escaped.  

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Solid from end to end. The method you described is what I ended up doing (except using silicone instead of epoxy to secure the weight), but it is still finicky and I can't be 100% that all of the air has escaped.  

 

One thing that has also helped me is to heat the hosel with a heat gun on the low setting as your pushing in the shaft.  This makes the epoxy a little more fluid and pushes out air as you're pushing the shaft down. 

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2 minutes ago, 03trdblack said:

 

One thing that has also helped me is to heat the hosel with a heat gun on the low setting as your pushing in the shaft.  This makes the epoxy a little more fluid and pushes out air as you're pushing the shaft down. 

Thanks for the tip of using heat!  Will try this next time it comes up.

 

I have used previously installed tip weights where the small hole has filled with epoxy.  Most of the old ones had to come out with some heat & the use of a ram rod.  Got the hole opened back up on the smaller tip weights, but not on the longer ones by using heat along with bent paper clips, small needles, what ever might be small enough to push into the hole.

 

When I re-used the tips the only way I was able to finally get the shafts fully seated was by spinning the shaft while slowly working it back & forth.

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2 minutes ago, Bunker2Bunker said:

Is there a reason to use the silicone and epoxy VS. just epoxy?

 

I have done the "slip-it-all-in-together-thing" before and not had issues.  

The only reason is to avoid possible rattles in the future from the long, heavy weight.  I'm fairly certain even epoxy is viscous enough to seal off the tip though. 

 

"Slip-it-all-in-together-thing" makes it sound a lot more fun that it actually is. 😆

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3 hours ago, Bogey Fett said:

The slot on these is only on the head.  I haven’t drilled out the shaft at all, I’m using masking tape as a shim to give the weight a snug fit.

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I think they sent you the small diameter weights .149...I just used these for some Recoil shafts and I had a problem too. I ended up putting a slit all the way up the weights shaft so the air could escape...it’s not a very well designed tip weight but it’s better than the other options. 

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3 hours ago, Bogey Fett said:

The only reason is to avoid possible rattles in the future from the long, heavy weight.  I'm fairly certain even epoxy is viscous enough to seal off the tip though. 

 

"Slip-it-all-in-together-thing" makes it sound a lot more fun that it actually is. 😆

 

I've found that in the case where the weight is loose enough to rattle, the masking tape actually does a pretty good job of preventing rattles.   The biggest downside to using something more permanent like silicon or epoxy is it makes it almost impossible to remove it later if you pull the shaft and want to reuse it in a different set or head.  Well that's the case with epoxy, never tried silicon but I suspect it will be similar.   Different heads will generally need different amounts of tip weight so it's not a great idea to assume the weight can stay in.

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2 hours ago, Sparty4202 said:

I think they sent you the small diameter weights .149...I just used these for some Recoil shafts and I had a problem too. I ended up putting a slit all the way up the weights shaft so the air could escape...it’s not a very well designed tip weight but it’s better than the other options. 

They mic'd at .179. 

1 hour ago, Stuart_G said:

 

I've found that in the case where the weight is loose enough to rattle, the masking tape actually does a pretty good job of preventing rattles.   The biggest downside to using something more permanent like silicon or epoxy is it makes it almost impossible to remove it later if you pull the shaft and want to reuse it in a different set or head.  Well that's the case with epoxy, never tried silicon but I suspect it will be similar.   Different heads will generally need different amounts of tip weight so it's not a great idea to assume the weight can stay in.

Removing the weights later isn't really a concern, getting them to stay put now is the objective 😄

Also the 10g isn't going to be enough by itself on any of the clubs, they will all need additional weight (going from +1" 125g steel to +1/2" 65g graphite) so once they are in they can live there happily ever after. I just REALLY don't want to have to take one apart because of a rattling weight down the road, and I know that even if the silicone bond is broken it still won't rattle around and I'll probably never be the wiser. 

 

Edit: Also compared to removing epoxy, removing silicone is super easy, barely an inconvenience. 

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Sorry to digress, but how do you guys feel about these very long brass weights for graphite shafts that extend well beyond the top of the hosel ?  Any issues with possible shearing down the road ?

 

Wishon make a 9gr tungsten tip weight that works very well, and not long enough to go past the top of hosel.  The butt / cap of it is also reasonably short at around 1/8”. I ordered 20 of them from a local club-builder, so I have many years supply on hand, and I hate running out of hard to find supplies.

 

I’m  not a fan of the 10g rubber tungsten ones as the butt / cap is 1/4” and the shaft portion is just a bit too wide to fit a Steelfiber, so I have to sand them down a bit on my belt sander.

 

Today I also ordered some 13g stainless steel ferrules on the ‘Bay from BigFootGolf.  Someone at WRX recommended them the other day, so I have another tool / supply in my swing-weight arsenal for my short-shafted builds.  I also bought some multi-coloured aluminum ferrules ( 4.5g ) from BigFoot while I was at it to pimp up my next build ( hopefully ZX7 / ZX5 combo )

 

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