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6 minutes ago, QuigleyDU said:

Nope. 

You seem like you have a lot of access to equipment and are good at testing. You should at least try it out. I average a consistent 3-4 mph more ball speed and similar spin with mine and really like it. I compared it outdoors on radar numerous times to Ventus Blue, Black, and GDTP that I have played over the past couple years. 

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28 minutes ago, Br1an02; said:

Can someone give me a ELI5 on the autoflex?

See my reply above.

 

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Just now, bward said:

You seem like you have a lot of access to equipment and are good at testing. You should at least try it out. I average a consistent 3-4 mph more ball speed and similar spin with mine and really like it. I compared it outdoors on radar numerous times to Ventus Blue, Black, and GDTP that I have played over the past couple years. 

Thats pretty good. I would love to try one. I am open minded about it. Exotic shafts are a bit tougher (for me) to come by. 

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2 minutes ago, jvincent said:

Have you read any of the discussion.

 

Marketing hype aside, the speculation is that they have included a non-Newtonian material in the shaft construction so that it actually becomes more stiff when it is swung vs when you just give it a waggle. That, combined with the light weight is supposed to allow for more speed without loss of control.

 

A non-Newtonian material is one that changes its properties depending on the forces applied to it. A good example is Silly Putty. Stretch it slowly and it will stretch like you would expect. Stretch it quickly and it breaks because under increased force it becomes brittle.

I have, I have read a lot of reviews, watch a bunch of videos. I am open to being proven wrong. I just see the results being tied more to being long and light and not some super secret shaft sauce. Again, happy to be wrong. 

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1 minute ago, QuigleyDU said:

I have, I have read a lot of reviews, watch a bunch of videos. I am open to being proven wrong. I just see the results being tied more to being long and light and not some super secret shaft sauce. Again, happy to be wrong. 

Long and light is part of it.

 

The increase in stiffness and resulting consistency even though it is long and light is supposed to be the secret sauce.

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1 minute ago, jvincent said:

Long and light is part of it.

 

The increase in stiffness and resulting consistency even though it is long and light is supposed to be the secret sauce.

Right, I understand that. It is also something that would be hard to prove since it wont show on a EI or other measuring device. So I am curious, but skeptical. 

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Just now, QuigleyDU said:

Right, I understand that. It is also something that would be hard to prove since it wont show on a EI or other measuring device. So I am curious, but skeptical. 

Korean Hidden Technology!

 

A dynamic EI test is easy enough to do in theory but nobody has ever needed one before.

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1 minute ago, jvincent said:

Korean Hidden Technology!

 

A dynamic EI test is easy enough to do in theory but nobody has ever needed one before.

haha.. 

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16 minutes ago, QuigleyDU said:

I have, I have read a lot of reviews, watch a bunch of videos. I am open to being proven wrong. I just see the results being tied more to being long and light and not some super secret shaft sauce. Again, happy to be wrong. 

I have not tried it and dont have a dog in the fight but being long and light is definitely part of the success and gains people see. But its “supposed”to be as stable as the heavier stiffer stuff, so best of both worlds. Id still like to see a blind test against like a 50 gram run of the mill senior shaft. I have one in an old burner superfast that plays 46.75”. I would like to see the dispersion difference.

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9 minutes ago, jvincent said:

Korean Hidden Technology!

 

A dynamic EI test is easy enough to do in theory but nobody has ever needed one before.

I think the Hidden Technology and theories as to some new advanced material they developed leads to the snake oil and all marketing comments. I like the shaft and think it works, but the logical side of me also thinks that if the developers are truly sophisticated and advanced enough to develop a radically new material that exhibits such sophisticated properties that they would be putting their efforts toward larger and more profitable markets instead of making the most niche golf club shaft ever developed. 

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3 hours ago, QuigleyDU said:

Well considering there are Ventus like shafts coming out from everyone. Probably not long. But what does this shaft offer?? It is long and light.. It is nothing ground breaking.. The price tag is the hype.. 

 

Correct.  The high price (just like the color) is a marketing tactic.  

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15 hours ago, pga43 said:

Well since the Tour has a no inside the ropes policy for media and this policy will continue at least thru March (most likely longer cuz of Covid), I don't see much "range footage"!

 

 

Greg

Greg, I believe he was talking about video. But since you're a photographer with a media pass, I don't believe you're able to take moving footage and post it?

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11 minutes ago, bward said:

I think the Hidden Technology and theories as to some new advanced material they developed leads to the snake oil and all marketing comments. I like the shaft and think it works, but the logical side of me also thinks that if the developers are truly sophisticated and advanced enough to develop a radically new material that exhibits such sophisticated properties that they would be putting their efforts toward larger and more profitable markets instead of making the most niche golf club shaft ever developed. 

 

May be the developers are just hard core golf fanatics first. Who cares, good for them to come up with something alternative that is showing results.

 

At least Adam is not cheaping it with a Pink NVS ladies flex in 46" and calling that a "cheap" auto flex wannabe like some thread here....r u kidding me?!?!

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I feel like TXG should be able to use Gears to tell how fast someone's hands are moving vs the clubhead. With the same hand speed, if a normal shaft moves the clubhead at X speed but the auto flex has that extra kick resulting in the clubhead moving faster then we'd be able to tell.

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20 minutes ago, Frankensteins Monster said:

Greg, I believe he was talking about video. But since you're a photographer with a media pass, I don't believe you're able to take moving footage and post it?

Yeah the Tour really frowns on taking video.  I can make a request for each tournament & if approved it can only be like 3 minutes or less and only up for 48 hours max.  Still not going to be from inside the ropes.

 

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24 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

Pink is a marketing tactic??

Colorways are a HUGE marketing tactic.  For example in the golf world there's no better example than TM and white drivers.  

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47 minutes ago, J13 said:

 

Correct.  The high price (just like the color) is a marketing tactic.  

 

How does that change performance or the idea of trying something before making judgements?

 

I typically enjoy both your and Quigly's posts, but it seems like Autoflex is the new PXG - everyone feels the need to share their expert take on something they haven't tried and have no expertise on.

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13 minutes ago, MysteryV said:

 

How does that change performance or the idea of trying something before making judgements?

 

I typically enjoy both your and Quigly's posts, but it seems like Autoflex is the new PXG - everyone feels the need to share their expert take on something they haven't tried and have no expertise on.

 

You a bit of a point that is fair. Still, I think there is less to this than what is being made about it. Again, I am very happy to be proven wrong and will readily admit when I am. I just do not see it just yet based on everything I have seen. I think it could be a bit of a launch monitor darling but in real play.. We shall see. 

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I hadn't heard about this shaft till this thread.  Looked them up, damn are they light 51g-54g and COSTLY at $790 ea.  Ouch.

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48 minutes ago, QuigleyDU said:

 

You a bit of a point that is fair. Still, I think there is less to this than what is being made about it. Again, I am very happy to be proven wrong and will readily admit when I am. I just do not see it just yet based on everything I have seen. I think it could be a bit of a launch monitor darling but in real play.. We shall see. 

 

We are in agreement.  Part of the reason I tried the AF, and am preparing to test a ladies flex (aldila NVS) and a senior flex (c. kua) with the same head, length, weight, etc. - to see what we see!

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So much hate for the Autoflex, I'm reserving judgement in either direction until we see Adam's performance with it. Practically every guy on tour is rocking some form of Ventus, so at worst this adds a level of intrigue to the gear discussion. 

 

The TXG guys aren't some clickbait clowns and I think it's silly to compare this to infomercial clubs. The PXG comparison is much better, a premium brand that may decrease cost when the economies of scale kick in. 

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2 hours ago, bward said:

I think the Hidden Technology and theories as to some new advanced material they developed leads to the snake oil and all marketing comments. I like the shaft and think it works, but the logical side of me also thinks that if the developers are truly sophisticated and advanced enough to develop a radically new material that exhibits such sophisticated properties that they would be putting their efforts toward larger and more profitable markets instead of making the most niche golf club shaft ever developed. 

Non-Newtonian materials aren't new technology. This is arguably a new application though.

 

From the descriptions and feedback of people who review it the non-Newtonian material is the obvious guess. It's in Autoflex's best interest to keep the details under wraps so that if it catches on competitors will be at a disadvantage.

 

As to the markets for this kind of stuff, it's not a new technology and if they can make a profit in the golf industry more power to them. At $750 a pop they can make a profit pretty quickly assuming the manufacturing cost isn't out of this world.

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1 hour ago, MysteryV said:

 

How does that change performance or the idea of trying something before making judgements?

 

I typically enjoy both your and Quigly's posts, but it seems like Autoflex is the new PXG - everyone feels the need to share their expert take on something they haven't tried and have no expertise on.

 

A friend of mine locally bought an autoflex so i can speak on user experience but I haven't.  In fact I made no mention of my opinion on performance. What i am saying is the price and color scheme is a marketing tactic to garner attention, which it is. Every company on the planet uses these tactics.   Again, nowhere have I made a judgement on the shaft itself even though i could.

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36 minutes ago, cleverprimate24 said:

So much hate for the Autoflex, I'm reserving judgement in either direction until we see Adam's performance with it. Practically every guy on tour is rocking some form of Ventus, so at worst this adds a level of intrigue to the gear discussion. 

 

The TXG guys aren't some clickbait clowns and I think it's silly to compare this to infomercial clubs. The PXG comparison is much better, a premium brand that may decrease cost when the economies of scale kick in. 

They did make a steadfast video though....and didnt totally trash it (it was deserved)

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7 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

I get that, but PINK? For men?

 

The shaft can come in a variety of color schemes.  The Pink is meant to grab attention, especially if it makes it to TV.  But there are different colorways for the Autoflex that can be had.

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