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OEM's are a big joke. How long before we have a 39 PW?


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Would this be the follow up to the "OEM's are a big joke" thread from last week?

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2 hours ago, Sparky14 said:

Irons will no longer exist. Just wedges.

Flop wedge 65

Lob wedge 60

Sand wedge 55

Gap wedge 50

Approach wedge 45

Pitching wedge 40

Medium wedge 35

Mid-Long wedge 30

Long wedge   25

Driving wedge   20

 

 

 

This is almost exactly my bag setup now, except I have a hybrid in the 20 spot, lol!

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For GI and SGI clubs...I can see lofts getting stronger and stronger over time and eventually, those types of sets will just consist of wedges and hybrids.  But for player's CB and blades, I really doubt they'll go that route as distance isn't an issue for better players and those types of sets will emphasize feel and conservative looks.

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1 hour ago, john myrbch said:

In 20 years, I’ll be spooning applesauce.

i really won’t care what the OEMs will be doing....

 

Did you know you can keep a hard boiled egg fresh for up to a year at room temperature if you cover it with petroleum jelly?

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8 minutes ago, pinestreetgolf said:

 

Did you know you can keep a hard boiled egg fresh for up to a year at room temperature if you cover it with petroleum jelly?

Everybody knows that...but did you know 15 minutes could save you 15% on car insurance?

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5 Wood: Cobra LTDxLS @ 17.5 Degree

Hybrid: Cobra King OS 3-4 Hybrid @ 20.5 Degree

Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet @ 24 Degree

Irons: Taylormade 2021 P790's 5-AW

Wedge: Taylormade MG3 54 Degree

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I don’t know what’s going to happen next week...how could you know what’s going to happen in 20 years?! 🤔

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I am not the type that pays any attention to the clubs a guys plays. But the other day I have a very short approach shot. With the wind up I am trying to decide between PW and 52*. My playing partner is about 5 or 6 yards further hit first and I see him hit a wood of some kind to pin high. He was not a long hitter, but not wildly short. I never asked him, but my guess was it was 15 or 17 wood????

 

So yes the woods are finding their way deeper into bags.

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4 hours ago, sonnygolf said:

This is the trend 

 

5 years 42 PW will be the norm

10 years 38 PW will be the norm

 

I suspect the anchor will be about 40°. Already, club designers suggest that 40* is the cut-off for the usefulness of cavity-back irons. At 40° and above, the loft pretty well takes care of the launch.

 

And, what about the effect of standard loft tweaks, a la Ping? For i210, you can get a 7 iron in:

  • Power spec = 31.5°
  • Standard spec = 33.0°
  • Retro spec = 35°

And please clarify this:

5 hours ago, sonnygolf said:

Either OEM's are going to be making more money.

Which two OEMs will survive?

 

(P.S. You need to have the snow melt pretty soon. I'm worried about you...)

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35 minutes ago, 2bGood said:

My playing partner is about 5 or 6 yards further hit first and I see him hit a wood of some kind to pin high. He was not a long hitter, but not wildly short. I never asked him, but my guess was it was 15 or 17 wood????

I would suggest he may have hit a clip hybrid out of a moon-crater lie. Did he sky it or bring in a low trajectory?

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Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Calla Mavrik MAX 5i-PW

Wedges*:  Calla MD3: 48°... MD4: 54°, 58° ||  PutterΨSeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT, 33" shaft

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19 minutes ago, ChipNRun said:

I would suggest he may have hit a clip hybrid out of a moon-crater lie. Did he sky it or bring in a low trajectory?

Stinger ...... of course.  

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25 minutes ago, ChipNRun said:

(P.S. You need to have the snow melt pretty soon. I'm worried about you...)

Haha...yes, this!! 🤣🤣

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5 hours ago, sonnygolf said:

Woods, hybrids and wedges will be standard set. It's more money for OEM's.  Even the older generation using players clubs and hybrids will have to make the changes or pay premium for Irons set. 

 

Either OEM's are going to be making more money. 

 

This is the trend 

 

5 years 42 PW will be the norm

10 years 38 PW will be the norm

15 years  34 PW will be the norm

20 years 30 PW will be the norm

 

The branding of clubs will shift - irons phased away and done with. 

 

The change is coming, embrace folks 🙂 

You really should let this go.

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I do wonder what the cutoff number is for strong lofted irons on the PW in the future. Like at some point, it has to stop

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I guess every time someone hits there 7 iron further than sonny, we will get a thread....

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1 hour ago, ChipNRun said:

I would suggest he may have hit a clip hybrid out of a moon-crater lie. Did he sky it or bring in a low trajectory?

 No regular shot, I saw him hit from other similar distances with a wood. For reference it was probably 135 out, cold and windy conditions. I was guessing he had woods up to 8 iron?

 

Funny that I noticed and never bothered to look at his clubs. I tend to be in my own zone at the tee box so never thought of it. 

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