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Have absolutely no interest in any rank speculation about how it happened and on and on.  A prayer he's okay and makes a full recovery - wouldn't wish this on anyone.    

Some of the replies in here are just gross. What happened to this site...

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25 minutes ago, Ferguson said:

It was "positive" to hear he was stable enough after the accident to endure a longer trip to a larger trauma facility.   

 

Every time he's been counted out, he's returned to compete.  

I think a full recovery is in Tiger's future. 

 

  

Full recovery as in PGA competitve or full recovery as in normal human being that can still golf way better than the average golfer? My money is on the latter, at best. Not that I'm betting on a guy's health. That's not my jam.

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Hope he's as well as can be. Maybe he'll bounce back, I certainly hope that's the case.

 

His winning the 2019 Masters was one of the most enjoyable experiences I've had in sport. It was a surreal experience to see him outlast the field one more time. I guess I still hope for another, but I certainly do not expect it. No idea if this is the end, but all things do end. If this is the end, we should be clear about what is terminating. If this is the end, it's the end of the career of the greatest and best golfer who ever lived. No one should ever diminish Jack, but he would have gone into Sunday at +200, and he knows that as well as we do.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, BombinJim said:

What if that new genesis was responsible? Does it have some fancy self driving feature or defect? I wonder if they have ruled the vehicle out?

I’m sure that’s one of the causes they’ll have to investigate.

 

With as much scrutiny as there’ll be in this case, the police will have to check every box and look at every possible cause.

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50 minutes ago, Ferguson said:

It was "positive" to hear he was stable enough after the accident to endure a longer trip to a larger trauma facility.   

 

Every time he's been counted out, he's returned to compete.  

I think a full recovery is in Tiger's future. 

 

  


 

This is as good a sign as any that it’s time to hang it up as far as being a tour Pro.

 

I think this will be a total game changer for TWs perspective on life and what he wants to accomplish.

 

He has devoted his life with laser focus on being the greatest to ever play the game. And he arguably is. 
 

Now, I think playing golf will take a back seat to all the other upside he can attain.

 

Sky’s the limit for TW. With his platform and contacts and fame, he can build businesses, make an impact on public policy, heck he could get into politics. 
 

No reason to punish his body anymore. I think that will be a major takeaway for him from this. 
 

 

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3 hours ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

What do you mean "everyone talking drug use has been proven wrong already"

 

Reported 8 Minutes ago : "Sheriff Alex Villanueva earlier said there was no immediate sign of impairment. No attempt to draw blood from Woods was made at the scene. Villanueva said that his condition and signs of being under the influence of narcotics, alcohol or medicine would be the subject of an investigation. 

 

No surprise because these tests can take days and weeks.

Deputies responding to Woods saw no evidence of impairment, Villanueva said, and they didn't ask hospital officials to take a blood draw, he said. A Los Angeles law enforcement source told CNN that no field sobriety test was administered because of the seriousness of Woods' injuries.
 
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I keep wondering about the impact to his back. I know the doctors have more immediate problems with the trauma to his leg/legs but this can't have been a good thing for a back that has been operated on numerous times & recently.

 

EDIT: Many thanks to the mods for their patience & work to keep this thread going. Somebody posted that it had a hospital waiting room feel & it does. I know I felt a little lost when it was locked temporarily.

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18 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:


 

This is as good a sign as any that it’s time to hang it up as far as being a tour Pro.

 

I think this will be a total game changer for TWs perspective on life and what he wants to accomplish.

 

He has devoted his life with laser focus on being the greatest to ever play the game. And he arguably is. 
 

Now, I think playing golf will take a back seat to all the other upside he can attain.

 

Sky’s the limit for TW. With his platform and contacts and fame, he can build businesses, make an impact on public policy, heck he could get into politics. 
 

No reason to punish his body anymore. I think that will be a major takeaway for him from this. 
 

 

Riviera has ended two careers recently with car wrecks - Bill Haas has not been the same since and now TW likely ending his career right after hosting. 

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35 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Right.  Or on another note. Everyone is praising the Car for saving him.  As an expert on building cars , I’d argue that car is what hurt him.     You can’t get those leg injuries from a car with no more damage than that. And with no more frontal impact than it sustained without a serious defect in design of the engine or proximity of it to the cabin and/or the firewalls integrity.    Same crash in a larger suv or say a Ford F-150 and he likely walks out.  Why ?  The engine and /or firewall doesn’t crush his leg.  
 

ive repaired , built and wrecked cars for over 25 years.  Survived a head on at 50 in a ford ranger in 2001 and the cabin wasn’t compromised like this.   I didn’t have a seat belt on then either.  ( dumbass I know )  This is a design flaw not a great design on display.  If your going to make a cabin more compact. It better be stronger than this. 

If this can/could be a player in contributing to his injuries, then by not doing a tox screen, to validate a possible cause, it then may become a major focal point for litigation against the vehicle manufacture. 

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11 minutes ago, golfandfishing said:

Riviera has ended two careers recently with car wrecks - Bill Haas has not been the same since and now TW likely ending his career right after hosting. 

 

Two different events and two different people, and therefore we must consider two different outcomes. 

 

 

46 minutes ago, Cydkar said:

Full recovery as in PGA competitve or full recovery as in normal human being that can still golf way better than the average golfer? My money is on the latter, at best. Not that I'm betting on a guy's health. That's not my jam.

 

Has he ever fully recovered from anything? 

I would surmise the answer is no evidenced by recurring surgeries.  

 

Can he compete "not fully recovered?" 

Clearly he can.    

 

 

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37 minutes ago, tsecor said:
Deputies responding to Woods saw no evidence of impairment, Villanueva said, and they didn't ask hospital officials to take a blood draw, he said. A Los Angeles law enforcement source told CNN that no field sobriety test was administered because of the seriousness of Woods' injuries.
 

Since a field sobriety test obviously couldn't be conducted, it would seem odd to not request a blood draw at the hospital (especially considering his history).  I'm not in law enforcement though, so don't know the protocols.

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After looking at the photos, videos and the maps of the scene it is amazing it wasn't worse.  He just missed that double-pole hydro pole.  If he had hit that instead of brush, we likely would be eulogizing him right now.  Just want to see him be able to walk "normal" again. 

 

Looking at what we know

- late going to where he needed to be,

- likely going faster than the posted limit (50-70 mph),

- and just coming off a small stretch of straightish road.

It is most likely a case of distracted driving.  Looking at his phone or texting someone on his eta and didn't realize there was a bend in the road.  By the time he hits the median and processes what it going on, he likely is already into the trees.  That's why you don't see skid marks.

 

I don't think we need to look any farther than that.  Happens every day all over the world.  Just common stupidity that we see out of drivers every day.  I still remember doing 80 mph on the freeway in Phoenix - 6 lanes wide - and looking over at the car beside me and a teenager with both hands off the wheel, texting.

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31 minutes ago, disco111 said:

If this can/could be a player in contributing to his injuries, then by not doing a tox screen, to validate a possible cause, it then may become a major focal point for litigation against the vehicle manufacture. 

The hospital certainly did a screen before surgery to make sure there were no drug interactions with anything the hospital was going to administer.

 

Whether it could be used against Tiger by the police is anyone's guess. But I am certain it could be used in a lawsuit against the auto company.

 

But then, Tiger is a multi-millionaire and car companies hate bad press. It's more likely a settlement would be reached than a suit ever going to court. 

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4 hours ago, Ferguson said:

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Very interesting watching the news conference with a visiting doctor friend (retired neurosurgeon) yesterday and her commenting on some of the reporter's medical questions from her perspective, e.g., the fact many accident victims initially aren't experiencing severe pain and there was no way he was going to stand with two breaks in one leg bone. Not to mention saying don't go there on questions that would violate HIPA  protections. Then she explained, as best she could without actual hospital reports, the likely course of action in surgery.

 

And this morning she enhanced our procedure discussion, based on news report, the surgical procedures in depth to a somewhat medically sophisticated layman. The tibia was an easy explanation, she said the ankle really depended on which bones were shattered, the muscles that might have been compromised both in the accident and surgery.

 

It was good to have a doctor filter all the fluff. Especially one who has had her own orthopedic surgeries-most recently having a rod inserted-then removed 14 months later in her forearm after someone ran her down while she was teaching a ski lesson.

 

 

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His PGA Tour playing days are over. That shattered ankle will not allow it. Almost 100% of the time with all of the rods, screws and pins it is never right again. Hopefully he will be able to just walk normal again and enjoy life with his son. He may be able to ride and play recreational golf and do appearances, clinics and stuff like that. However he may not even be able to do that.

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My girlfriend has an IM nail in her tibia, plate on the fib. Her injury wasn’t compound, no surgery complications or infection thankfully but 4 years since the injury, if she were a golfer she would definitely have discomfort walking the course. Not that she couldn’t, but it wouldn’t be too enjoyable towards the end. Tiger will

get the best care money can buy but the hardware stays and his breaks sound worse...hope he makes a full recovery but I’d totally understand if we don’t see him on tour after this.

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1 hour ago, bladehunter said:

Right.  Or on another note. Everyone is praising the Car for saving him.  As an expert on building cars , I’d argue that car is what hurt him.     You can’t get those leg injuries from a car with no more damage than that. And with no more frontal impact than it sustained without a serious defect in design of the engine or proximity of it to the cabin and/or the firewalls integrity.    Same crash in a larger suv or say a Ford F-150 and he likely walks out.  Why ?  The engine and /or firewall doesn’t crush his leg.  
 

ive repaired , built and wrecked cars for over 25 years.  Survived a head on at 50 in a ford ranger in 2001 and the cabin wasn’t compromised like this.   I didn’t have a seat belt on then either.  ( dumbass I know )  This is a design flaw not a great design on display.  If your going to make a cabin more compact. It better be stronger than this. 

The car was probably going a lot faster than you think.  Modern cars are built with  keeping the passenger compartment safe during a crash.  Of course there is a limit to the amount of energy it can handle.  Obviously this threshold was breached.  I have at least five wrecked cars come in to my tow yard every week.  Most of the time the driver’s area and front passenger seat area maintain adequate space for the occupants to remain safe.  In instances of collisions at excessive speeds, 70mph and above or head on collisions with other vehicles, the engine, drive axle, and firewall can encroach the passenger compartment.  There is simply a limit to what any vehicle can withstand after crashing at a certain high speed.

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1 hour ago, Socrates said:

After looking at the photos, videos and the maps of the scene it is amazing it wasn't worse.  He just missed that double-pole hydro pole.  If he had hit that instead of brush, we likely would be eulogizing him right now.  Just want to see him be able to walk "normal" again. 

 

Looking at what we know

- late going to where he needed to be,

- likely going faster than the posted limit (50-70 mph),

- and just coming off a small stretch of straightish road.

It is most likely a case of distracted driving.  Looking at his phone or texting someone on his eta and didn't realize there was a bend in the road.  By the time he hits the median and processes what it going on, he likely is already into the trees.  That's why you don't see skid marks.

 

I don't think we need to look any farther than that.  Happens every day all over the world.  Just common stupidity that we see out of drivers every day.  I still remember doing 80 mph on the freeway in Phoenix - 6 lanes wide - and looking over at the car beside me and a teenager with both hands off the wheel, texting.

Video right before the crash 💥, behind the mini van , he did NOT appear to be hauling @$$ , There are numerous possibilities of what happen right at the crash he could’ve been speeding? , distracted driving ? Animal runs across the road , cyclist on the bend ? Unfamiliar vehicle performance, but but shortly before that and that video it doesn’t appear to be going that fast

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2 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Right.  Or on another note. Everyone is praising the Car for saving him.  As an expert on building cars , I’d argue that car is what hurt him.     You can’t get those leg injuries from a car with no more damage than that. And with no more frontal impact than it sustained without a serious defect in design of the engine or proximity of it to the cabin and/or the firewalls integrity.    Same crash in a larger suv or say a Ford F-150 and he likely walks out.  Why ?  The engine and /or firewall doesn’t crush his leg.  
 

ive repaired , built and wrecked cars for over 25 years.  Survived a head on at 50 in a ford ranger in 2001 and the cabin wasn’t compromised like this.   I didn’t have a seat belt on then either.  ( dumbass I know )  This is a design flaw not a great design on display.  If your going to make a cabin more compact. It better be stronger than this. 

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