Dechambeau - Fast backswing (who has tried this?)

[Hackinator]

Dechambeau has a really fast backswing with his driver since is he is trying to generate a lot of clubhead speed.

 

Anybody build this into their own swing

 

My backswing tends to be on the slower side and trying to save up speed for later.

I've tried a lot of things with my driver to pick up speed.. EXCEPT for a fast backswing.

 

I have a swing speed that averages   96/97 and hitting my driver around 240/250 with normal conditions.

 

I am GREEDILY looking for more speed 🙂

 

So who has tried increase the speed by increase their backswing speed?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Soloman1]

A faster backswing for most amateurs isn't a new concept.

[stryper]

I’ve tried it, and it’s helped, although I sometimes have to remind myself to finish the backswing, otherwise I can get too quick through the transition.  Backswing can fast, but it can’t be rushed. 🤷‍♂️

[phizzy30]

I consider my back swing fast, but it's intended purpose was never to help generate more ss.  It has always that way since I started golf at 8. 

[extrastiff]

Bryson and his videos with Kyle show that he’s really has not dove to deep into the idea that you can generate more clubhead speed with a longer, slower swing and loading feeling, he might be going slower swing once he builds a driver he likes. 
 

who knows, But approach with caution

Edited February 27, 2021 by extrastiff

[golfarb1]

Golf magazine(6/29/20)  had an article addressing this idea. Some studies have indicated that a faster backswing will increase speed going down , because of “counter movements”

However, there are two caveats associated with trying a faster backswing. The first is obvious, whether a faster backswing will disrupt your transition and make it more difficult to retain your smash factor. The second is less obvious, whether a faster backswing will increase your chances of injury.

There are certainly some touring pros with fast backswings , but there are also some some with slow backswings and Hideki Matsuyama who actually pauses  slightly at the top.

 

[llewol007]

Ive have tried it and it does not translate to the rest of my bag with enough of a benefit. Works for Bryson but not for this amateur.. 🤣

[596]

When I'm confident enough I speed up my back swing.  It's not for more distance though.  Though it does help.  It matches my fast transition and helps me finish my swing.  With a slower back swing my transition becomes quick and I don't finish the swing.  The faster back swing fits my swing better.  Ball flight with the faster back swing becomes a nice easy draw.  When I back swing slower I have a tendency for a fast transition and it becomes directing the ball instead of a full smooth swing.

[b.mattay]

Working at a golf course for years, I would estimate that 80% of players I see take too slow of a backswing! 

[Hackinator]

I did actually try this today at the range with my swing radar.

And there was a definitely an increase in speed.

 

Like I said previously, I usually average about 96/97.  I was actually seeing speeds between 99 and 107 on the radar.  

 

As I was setting up for my 1st shot, I sort of anchored my feet into the ground in anticipation of faster backswing.

And also to avoid any sway.  I think this anchoring was big key.

 

Faster backswing, faster downswing... MORE SPEED... who would have ever guessed this,

DUH :)

 

 

 

[chipa]

For those who don't load their legs or right side well a faster takeaway can help which should increase speed in the legs resist properly. When I'm really hitting the driver well I will generally increase my backswing speed. The Mike Austin setup(for lack of a better name) which is on youtube, which many pro use btw, sets the legs braced toward the target at the setup and the hips are basically open. One then can freely rebound of the legs which will significantly increase clubhead speed all things being equal.

[pinhigh27]

My sequencing is already jacked up enough as is. 

[getitdaily]

It's the sacho mckenzie principle. Faster backswing causes more force applied in transition. The problem with a fast backswing and fast transition is that control is easily lost. And dechambeau has certainly had bouts of control issues lately. 

 

You can generate just as much clubhead speed with a moderate tempo backswing and smooth transition. 

 

Look at the video dechambeau made with berkshire where berkshire hit an 8i like 300 yards. In that video Berkshire tells him to wait longer in transition. Dechambeau did it and increased ballspeed the next shot. 

 

I've tried the fast backswing and it does produce faster speed (2mph more ballspeed for me) but it better be on a hole with room to miss...

 

This is all relative. If you have too slow a backswing then do it. Just have to know what's fast, moderate, and slow and go from there.

[tm3]

23 hours ago, Hackinator said:

Dechambeau has a really fast backswing with his driver since is he is trying to generate a lot of clubhead speed.

 

Anybody build this into their own swing

 

My backswing tends to be on the slower side and trying to save up speed for later.

I've tried a lot of things with my driver to pick up speed.. EXCEPT for a fast backswing.

 

I have a swing speed that averages   96/97 and hitting my driver around 240/250 with normal conditions.

 

I am GREEDILY looking for more speed 🙂

 

So who has tried increase the speed by increase their backswing speed?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You might enjoy looking into the Tour Tempo data and resulting philosophy.

[Hackinator]

Berkshire also has this rocking motion at the start of his swing he looks very dynamic.  I cant find a quote, but I remember him saying something to the effect that he is really trying hard to get moving as fast as he can to start the swing.

 

As for transition, yes, I am trying to basically keep the sequencing of my original swing , but everything is just sped up somewhat.

Not really trying to reinvent anything, literally just swing faster from the beginning of the swing.

 

 

 

16 hours ago, getitdaily said:

It's the sacho mckenzie principle. Faster backswing causes more force applied in transition. The problem with a fast backswing and fast transition is that control is easily lost. And dechambeau has certainly had bouts of control issues lately. 

 

You can generate just as much clubhead speed with a moderate tempo backswing and smooth transition. 

 

Look at the video dechambeau made with berkshire where berkshire hit an 8i like 300 yards. In that video Berkshire tells him to wait longer in transition. Dechambeau did it and increased ballspeed the next shot. 

 

I've tried the fast backswing and it does produce faster speed (2mph more ballspeed for me) but it better be on a hole with room to miss...

 

This is all relative. If you have too slow a backswing then do it. Just have to know what's fast, moderate, and slow and go from there.

 

[Lincoln_Arcadia]

On 2/27/2021 at 8:15 AM, Soloman1 said:

A faster backswing for most amateurs isn't a new concept.

Right, most take it back far too fast.

[TheDeanAbides]

9 minutes ago, Lincoln_Arcadia said:

Right, most take it back far too fast.

This is not what I see or what is measured. On every range I can tell the good players because their swing is over before most hackers have reached the top. 

[Divot License]

 

[gators78]

On 2/27/2021 at 3:16 PM, b.mattay said:

Working at a golf course for years, I would estimate that 80% of players I see take too slow of a backswing! 

 

It's more like 99.99%. Have to laugh in these threads, download the free Frame Counter app, load a normal/non-slow motion swing and use the counter for the frames in the backswing. Now realize guys like Rory, Rickie, and Matthew Fitzpatrick are in the 18-20 backswing range...which is nuclear fast. Most people are way too slow going back and rush transition to find some speed, that's where they get sideways.

 

There are so many benefits to a fast backswing like increased swing speed, better transition, better sequencing, it's one of the fundamentals I try to always work on. 

[naval2006]

A personal experience on faster backswing.  I tried to implement this like four years ago chasing more distance.  I failed big time.  My swing was completely out of timing.  You cannot play golf that way, you cannot hit the ball solid.  This is a cautionary tale of a regular guy who doesn't hit WRX long but tried hard to.  

 

It took me one more year to slow down to the point of starting feeling the swing back.  Funny thing is this guy I hit balls with used to tell me why I wanted to go faster if my swing was really fast already.  What happens when you start with the backswing thing is your swing becomes backswing oriented and it's a mess.  Plus the total lack of balance and rhythm.  I don't know how and who can diagnose how fast is enough and not too fast.  When the ball starts telling you then it's a bit late. I guess this is the kind of change that must be supervised, like prescription meds.  

 

Fast forward to these days I got my rhythm back and I'm hitting solid again.  I love the oily feeling of the swing and the finish I can keep forever after hitting (which I've done al my life).  I think we all get obssessed with gaining 10/15 yards but one of the more dangerous ways of trying to get them is this way.

 

However, I can't deny that more clubhead speed, more distance, it the laws of physics.    

[tm3]

34 minutes ago, gators78 said:

 

It's more like 99.99%. Have to laugh in these threads, download the free Frame Counter app, load a normal/non-slow motion swing and use the counter for the frames in the backswing. Now realize guys like Rory, Rickie, and Matthew Fitzpatrick are in the 18-20 backswing range...which is nuclear fast. Most people are way too slow going back and rush transition to find some speed, that's where they get sideways.

 

There are so many benefits to a fast backswing like increased swing speed, better transition, better sequencing, it's one of the fundamentals I try to always work on. 

 

Exactly what Tour Tempo says, based on their research.

 

 

24 minutes ago, naval2006 said:

A personal experience on faster backswing.  I tried to implement this like four years ago chasing more distance.  I failed big time.  My swing was completely out of timing.  

 

Plus the total lack of balance and rhythm.  I don't know how and who can diagnose how fast is enough and not too fast.  When the ball starts telling you then it's a bit late. I guess this is the kind of change that must be supervised, like prescription meds.  

 

 

Again quoting from TT, it's not all about having a faster backswing.  It's mainly, according to their theory, about having the correct rhythm which is a backswing/downswing ratio of 3/1.  Absolutely, however, go with what works for you.

[Lincoln_Arcadia]

6 hours ago, TheDeanAbides said:

This is not what I see or what is measured. On every range I can tell the good players because their swing is over before most hackers have reached the top. 

 

Someone said it earlier in the thread. It’s a matter of “readiness” if that makes sense?

 

To stretch the muscles and get the maximum amount of “bounce back” you need a faster back swing just before the top of the swing.

 

Most players take us back too fast trying to copy the few better players. Most are likely not ready to do that yet.

[Soloman1]

9 minutes ago, Lincoln_Arcadia said:

 

Someone said it earlier in the thread. It’s a matter of “readiness” if that makes sense?

 

To stretch the muscles and get the maximum amount of “bounce back” you need a faster back swing just before the top of the swing.

 

Most players take us back too fast trying to copy the few better players. Most are likely not ready to do that yet.

 

 

Sorry, but there is no "bounce back." It sounds good and people like to make the analogy, but muscle action is not like rubber bands. There's a thing called Excitation-Contraction Coupling.

[b.mattay]

3 hours ago, gators78 said:

 

It's more like 99.99%. Have to laugh in these threads, download the free Frame Counter app, load a normal/non-slow motion swing and use the counter for the frames in the backswing. Now realize guys like Rory, Rickie, and Matthew Fitzpatrick are in the 18-20 backswing range...which is nuclear fast. Most people are way too slow going back and rush transition to find some speed, that's where they get sideways.

 

There are so many benefits to a fast backswing like increased swing speed, better transition, better sequencing, it's one of the fundamentals I try to always work on. 

Fair enough, I was trying to be conservative but it is certainly an epidemic! 

[sprcoop]

I've noticed that Morikawa starts slow but by 2/3 of his backswing his CHS is the same as my downswing.

[Lincoln_Arcadia]

2 hours ago, Soloman1 said:

 

 

Sorry, but there is no "bounce back." It sounds good and people like to make the analogy, but muscle action is not like rubber bands. There's a thing called Excitation-Contraction Coupling.

Right.

[juststeve]

We all have a natural pace when we take the club back, a personal tempo so to speak.  Don't deviate from that too much.

 

Steve

 

 

[gators78]

31 minutes ago, b.mattay said:

Fair enough, I was trying to be conservative but it is certainly an epidemic! 

 

All good we're saying the same thing, I think hole in ones are more common than amateurs that swing too fast back. 

 

 

25 minutes ago, sprcoop said:

I've noticed that Morikawa starts slow but by 2/3 of his backswing his CHS is the same as my downswing.

 

*Puts flame suit on* Yea so you can watch any YouTube video and use the < or > buttons to count the frames instead of the Frame Counter App, Collin kind of does a similar thing to Sungjae Im/Kenny Perry where he starts super slow and kind of speeds it up halfway back. Collin's tempo on one driver is 27/6, which is great for him since he's otherworldly talented...but that tempo is teetering on bad news for us mortals. 

 

[MonteScheinblum]

It has to match........

 

I see some zorro backswings for sure, but that’s more a rush to start the downswing and never lets the entire backswing progress.

 

Ironically, super slow backswings cause the same issue. 
 

Everyone always wants to make it about slow, smooth tempo and that wrecks the transition.

 

It’s about Rhythm, not tempo.  Most golfers struggle with a backswing that’s too slow and a transition that’s too fast.

 

I can’t tell you how many lessons I give where people complain about getting quick and their backswing is still progressing when Ernie Els or even Hideki are in their finish.

 

It’s about rhythm, not tempo.  That’s what the 3:1 of TT is about.  You have to find your prosper rhythm.

 

For many, a faster backswing gets them to 3:1, improves sequencing and makes them increase CHS.

 

 

[Mr_Wolfe]

Gaining distance is definitely not a priority of mine. I worked years to get my swing slowed down to where I feel I am ripping my shots with good lag, shaft lean, and no flipping. Everyone's feels are going to be different. For years people who I play with would tell me I can't keep that swing forever. I realized they were right and so glad I slowed it down. To me, it feels like my backswing starts slow, but gains momentum the entire time. I know you are stopping at the top, but you still have coil. That's how I feel it anyways.

 

Mr. Wolfe