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2- Senior 1 - Ladies I have the #2s in my infamous Mac Hogans and my back up set of Muirfields I have a set of #3s soft stepped. I can not tell much difference. I also built a what I call a

upon closer inspection - you are correct Sir.   thank you for the explanation.

now that Joe S pointed out the difference on Apex Edge shafts - I'm going to take my other set to the range to see if the impact issues I've encountered are swing or shaft related.   this fo

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6 hours ago, TheDeanAbides said:

So I've just taken delivery of a set of Apex FTX with Apex 3s in them. If I compare them to the Apex 2s in my '72s they seem softer. Is it generally recognised that the newer version is a little softer than the originals?

 

I've heard people say that later shafts were softer than the earlier ones.  A newer 3 compared to older 3, for example.  Originally they were manufactured by True Temper and at some point manufacturing was changed to Precision and that's when they allegedly changed.  I've never noticed a difference myself.   There is no reason that Precision couldn't manufacture to the same specifications and I don't know why Hogan would change the design.  But, it is true that the consensus on these forums seems to be that the newer Apex's are softer than the older ones. 

 

I would be really surprised if the newer 3 was softer than the older 2.  But, it's certainly possible.  

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6 hours ago, stevehj said:

There were multiple shafts offered in Hogan irons.  There was a number on the shaft label and this is how they were defined:

3 = regular

4 = stiff

5 = x-stiff

 

Can you see the number on any of the shaft labels in your Apex II's?

Hi Steve,

As I said in the original post, the IIs have Apex 2s in them. 

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5 hours ago, Joe S said:

 

I've heard people say that later shafts were softer than the earlier ones.  A newer 3 compared to older 3, for example.  Originally they were manufactured by True Temper and at some point manufacturing was changed to Precision and that's when they allegedly changed.  I've never noticed a difference myself.   There is no reason that Precision couldn't manufacture to the same specifications and I don't know why Hogan would change the design.  But, it is true that the consensus on these forums seems to be that the newer Apex's are softer than the older ones. 

 

I would be really surprised if the newer 3 was softer than the older 2.  But, it's certainly possible.  

I had another play with them and they may not be softer, but they're certainly not stiffer. Probably about the same? I haven't had a chance to swing them yet. 

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there could very well be a slight difference between the TT and the RP sets - on matching number flexes.

 

I have sets of Apex Edge Pro  and BH5's with Apex 3's. similar era. 02 and 05.

they both carry the same Apex shaft labels - but the BH set has those familiar TT markings near the first step.

on the Edge five irons, the first step begins about an inch higher and farther up the step pattern changes even more.

they are similar - not identical.

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11 hours ago, @_the_crook said:

there could very well be a slight difference between the TT and the RP sets - on matching number flexes.

 

I have sets of Apex Edge Pro  and BH5's with Apex 3's. similar era. 02 and 05.

they both carry the same Apex shaft labels - but the BH set has those familiar TT markings near the first step.

on the Edge five irons, the first step begins about an inch higher and farther up the step pattern changes even more.

they are similar - not identical.

 

I have a set of BH5's.  They have Apex Edge Shafts, which is a different shaft than the Apex.  It's what they used in the more game improvement oriented irons from the Spalding and Callaway years.  Apex Edge, Edge CFT and BH5 generally had the Apex Edge shaft.  The Apex Edge Pro, Apex Plus, Apex FTX and most of the blades had the standard Apex shaft.  Totally different step patterns.  The label says Apex on it, then says Edge in smaller script underneath.  Apex shafts from the late 60's until they stopped making them in the early 2000's had the same step patterns.  

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10 hours ago, Joe S said:

 

I have a set of BH5's.  They have Apex Edge Shafts, which is a different shaft than the Apex.  It's what they used in the more game improvement oriented irons from the Spalding and Callaway years.  Apex Edge, Edge CFT and BH5 generally had the Apex Edge shaft.  The Apex Edge Pro, Apex Plus, Apex FTX and most of the blades had the standard Apex shaft.  Totally different step patters.  The label says Apex on it, then says Edge in smaller script underneath.  Apex shafts from the late 60's until they stopped making them in the early 2000's had the same step patterns.  

 

upon closer inspection -

you are correct Sir.

 

thank you for the explanation.

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I kept that set of Apex Edge Pros around, hoping to use the shafts for something.

the plating on some of the heads is pretty worn out.

glad it doesn't cost anything to stack gear in a corner.

you just need a lot of corners............

😄

 

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2 hours ago, @_the_crook said:

I kept that set of Apex Edge Pros around, hoping to use the shafts for something.

the plating on some of the heads is pretty worn out.

glad it doesn't cost anything to stack gear in a corner.

you just need a lot of corners............

😄

 

I ran out of corners long ago but... walls work good too!  😂

 

 

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49 minutes ago, @_the_crook said:

 

nice layout Sir.

care to share the backstory on the autographed Wilson ?

 

Ha!  Thanks.  You gotta find room where you can.  😂

 

I saw the Wilson bag on a local buy-n-sell website and had to have it.  If I remember correctly the seller said he got it signed at some kind of Champions Tour event here in Canada.  It's got a lot of interesting signatures.  I've only deciphered a few so far.  Someday when I'm bored I'll have to look closer at it.  Here's a few of the names:

 

Gene Sauers

Doug Tewell

Ken Green

Tom Pernice Jr.

D. A. Weibring

Ted Tryba

Ray Barr Jr.

Ray Stewart

Stan Utley

Bobby Watkins

Pat McGowen
Jim Benepe
Rick Todd
Ed Dougherty
Jerry Haas
Doug Tewell
 

Sorry for getting so far off topic.  Back to Apex shafts...  😃

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18 minutes ago, @_the_crook said:

Brad Faxon, Loren Roberts, Bobby Clampett, Scott Hoch...

 

Great stuff.

 

Yeah it's pretty nifty.  I think I paid like $75 for it which seems like a good deal considering it's a new bag too.  One of these days I'll have to take it to the course.  I keep my '59 Dyna-Powered's in it so it'll be a total nostalgia trip.

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On 3/3/2021 at 7:14 PM, stevehj said:

There were multiple shafts offered in Hogan irons.  There was a number on the shaft label and this is how they were defined:

3 = regular

4 = stiff

5 = x-stiff

 

Can you see the number on any of the shaft labels in your Apex II's?

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I have the #2s in my infamous Mac Hogans and my back up set of Muirfields I have a set of #3s soft stepped. I can not tell much difference. I also built a what I call a Super Soft wedge which is a Cleveland 588 with a #1 8 iron shaft in it. Soft and a super spinner. Right now due to my back injury other than the wedges I am not messing with steel shafts. Most of my personal stuff I mess with strictly by feel. 

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now that Joe S pointed out the difference on Apex Edge shafts - I'm going to take my other set to the range to see if the impact issues I've encountered are swing or shaft related.

 

this forum is terrific.

 

 

 

 

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