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The Trip Diamond heads have been so popular because they give the players using them the neutral/fade bias they need without the knuckleball that they don't. There's also differences in their shaping

Just came in today, heading to the range to see how it stacks up against my Epic Flash TD.     

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Got mine yesterday - 10.5  Speed TD, not LS.

 

Has anyone hit the Mav SZTD next to this one and how similar were the speed/dispersion/spin results?


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Robert

Callaway Epic Speed Triple Diamond 10.5 Speeder 661 v6
Titleist TSi2 Fairway Speeder 757 v7
TM SIM Max 19 (AD-IZ 85)
PXG GEN 2 22,25 (AD-DI 85,95)
PXG GEN 3 0311T 6-G KBS Tour 120 Black
Vokey SM8 Wedgeworks Raw Custom Grind 56.14 KBS Tour 120 Black
Vokey SM8 Wedgeworks Raw 60T (61*) KBS Tour 120 Black
Scotty Cameron Circle T T2 34.5/350

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On 4/13/2021 at 6:59 AM, davo32683 said:

How did people order this?

Through retailer/custom fitter.  Mine came from CoolClubs.  Just call their 800 number.

Callaway Epic Speed Triple Diamond 10.5 Speeder 661 v6
Titleist TSi2 Fairway Speeder 757 v7
TM SIM Max 19 (AD-IZ 85)
PXG GEN 2 22,25 (AD-DI 85,95)
PXG GEN 3 0311T 6-G KBS Tour 120 Black
Vokey SM8 Wedgeworks Raw Custom Grind 56.14 KBS Tour 120 Black
Vokey SM8 Wedgeworks Raw 60T (61*) KBS Tour 120 Black
Scotty Cameron Circle T T2 34.5/350

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Mine came in today and it looks fantastic. Really excited to hit it tomorrow

Driver: 9' Callaway Epic Speed Triple Diamond - Ventus Black 6X 

3 Wood: 13' Ping G400 Stretch - HZRDUS HC Yellow 75g 6.5

Irons: 3-GW: Cobra Forged Tec Black - KBS $Taper 130 X

Wedges: Titleist SM8 Raw 56.14F & 60.14K - TT X100 TI Black Onyx

Putter: SC Newport 2 Centershafted P r o t o t y p e

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On 3/10/2021 at 9:07 AM, bcflyguy1 said:

The Trip Diamond heads have been so popular because they give the players using them the neutral/fade bias they need without the knuckleball that they don't. There's also differences in their shaping that tend to make them appealing, but that's not really what we're talking about here.

 

"Silly low" spin isn't wanted by high level players (and SHOULDN'T be wanted by players of any level that want a driver that's going to allow them to score their best) for a multitude of reasons.

1. Top level players' strike patterns are tight enough and they swing fast enough that they don't need spin rates around 2000 and below to hit the ball far enough. Their strikes rarely stray very far from the more optimal regions of the driver face, and they all bring their own gas in the club head speed department. The added distance from knuckleball-ish spin simply isn't needed.

 

2. Keeping spin in a more manageable window makes for a much more predictable and playable trajectory. Player X can aim up the left third of the fairway and let his fade rip knowing it's not going to fall excessively to the right. If you take 4-500 RPM of backspin away from that player, now all of a sudden that reliable little fade starts to move more than they want. They start having to make compensations to accommodate the club, and that's bad practice for a player of any level never mind the best in the world. There are of course rare exceptions to this, Colin Morikawa being the one that comes to mind first. While above Tour average, his club head speed is rather modest when compared to many of the current best of the best. His AoA with driver is +5, his spin rate dwells just above 2000, but he can function that way because the consistency of his delivery and strike quality is freakishly good even compared to his freakishly good peers.

 

3. At the speeds top level players swing it and the distances they drive it, they're looking for all the help they can find to ideally keep their ball in the fairway but at the very least keep the ball in play. Keeping spin on the golf ball helps them do that, but that's not what drivers designed to win the "TrackMan Olympics" provide them.

4. "Silly Low" driver spin is a barrel of laughs when you're on the range with TrackMan trying to see what sort of ludicrous spin rates and distances you can produce, but it rapidly loses its comedic value when your money game is on the line and you need to get a drive in play. Given the choice between a knuckleballing bomb into the gunch or a shorter and higher spinning drive that's likely to give me a greater chance to shoot a score, I know which one I'm choosing. Nobody cares how far you bombed it when you're next shot is classified as a recovery...and you're forking over money at the 19th hole while you're playing buddies are giving you the needle about your driving.

As an aside, remember TaylorMade's "Everybody Launch it at 17* and 1700 RPM to hit it 17 more yards tO sCoRe SeVeNtEeN sTrOkEs LoWeR" PR campaign? I've only ever seen one player who can produce those launch conditions, and he's a regular playing partner of mine. He's in his early 60's, has never taken a lesson but still manages to play around scratch with a most unorthodox but effective home-grown swing. You can't understand how comical the 17* 1700 drive looks until you see my guy hit one in real life. Your first thought will likely be "that's absurd, I could never play my best golf hitting drives that look like that," and you'd be exactly right. 


This is very well written from the perspective of why the tour pros or elite high speed players prefer these clubs and I would also agree that the average golfer doesn’t need a “super low spin” driver...

 

However, I’ve always gotten my best performance numbers wise AND on the course with the Sub Zero models from Callaway because of my unique delivery. Being a 2HC I hit it decent at (for Golfwrx) slower speeds (103mph with driver) and my predominant shot is a face angle that is open to a left path. Usually 2 left and face 2 open so I’m imparting a lot of spin on the ball just with delivery. The Sub Zero Flash that I play with allows me to at least somewhat neutralize that by a few hundred RPMs... I can hit a draw with a driver but it’s WORK. So I typically never see those toe struck knuckling fall out of the air drives because the spin was 1500...

 

Haven’t really been able to test any of the new Callaway driver line this year yet but would like to. The story of the Max LS seems appealing but seems more love for the Speed. 

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Epic Flash Sub Zero 9 degree (10°)- Hzrdus Yellow Handcrafted
Epic Flash Sub Zero 3W (16°)- Hzrdus Smoke
Apex 3 (20°) & 4 (23°) Hybrid- Kuro Kage
'18 Apex MB (8-PW) and '19 Apex Pro (5-7i) Nippon Pro Modus 105 s
MD3 Black 50°, 54° (S Grind), 58° (PM Grind)
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On 4/16/2021 at 9:59 PM, Tommyboi95 said:

Did you get the TD or the TD LS?

TD

Driver: 9' Callaway Epic Speed Triple Diamond - Ventus Black 6X 

3 Wood: 13' Ping G400 Stretch - HZRDUS HC Yellow 75g 6.5

Irons: 3-GW: Cobra Forged Tec Black - KBS $Taper 130 X

Wedges: Titleist SM8 Raw 56.14F & 60.14K - TT X100 TI Black Onyx

Putter: SC Newport 2 Centershafted P r o t o t y p e

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After a week and a few rounds in play the Speed TD w Ventus Black 6X is the best combo I've had in the bag in years. This is the first Callaway product that I've ever purchased (I'm stubborn with looks and was a Titleist junior player growing up) and it replaced a brand new Sim2 driver that simply couldn't hang (+5mph ball speed). I was back and forth between the TD and TD LS and ultimately went with the recommendation of our pro and the Callaway rep on site to go with the TD and get a bit more spin out of it (which, if you saw my ball flight, was a hard concept for me to buy into).  @JohnnyCallaway "spin is your friend" couldn't be more right with the new Speed line. Best way I can describe it is a controllable bomber, which is a combination that hasn't been perfected this well in any of the modern low spin heads. Finally, the slightly open look of the TD fits my eye perfectly and gives me the confidence to not pull the ball left

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Driver: 9' Callaway Epic Speed Triple Diamond - Ventus Black 6X 

3 Wood: 13' Ping G400 Stretch - HZRDUS HC Yellow 75g 6.5

Irons: 3-GW: Cobra Forged Tec Black - KBS $Taper 130 X

Wedges: Titleist SM8 Raw 56.14F & 60.14K - TT X100 TI Black Onyx

Putter: SC Newport 2 Centershafted P r o t o t y p e

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Maybe early days still,

 

But anyone compare ESTD to Sim/Sim2?

 

Thank you 

Callaway TOUR Epic Flash TD 9.5 - Testing..
Testing - Fujikura Ventus Blue 7X
PXG 0317X Gen2 19  (Actual 17.5) - Fujikura Ventus Blue 8X
PXG 0311X Gen2 3 - GD Tour AD DI 95X
PXG 0311P Gen3 4 - Modus LE 115x
PXG 0311ST  - 5-9 - Modus LE 115X
PXG Milled "Sugar Daddy" 46,50,54 - DG TI S400
Vokey Slate Blue 60K- DG TI S400 Onyx
PXG One & Done
 

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Curious what everyone’s TD came with weights wise? Mine had 8/8 but I need to get it on a swing weight scale bc with the Ventus Black 6X and MMC Midsize 4 (66g) grip and feels super light. Would Callaway adjust the weights to meet their stock swing weight (I know TM does)? 

Driver: 9' Callaway Epic Speed Triple Diamond - Ventus Black 6X 

3 Wood: 13' Ping G400 Stretch - HZRDUS HC Yellow 75g 6.5

Irons: 3-GW: Cobra Forged Tec Black - KBS $Taper 130 X

Wedges: Titleist SM8 Raw 56.14F & 60.14K - TT X100 TI Black Onyx

Putter: SC Newport 2 Centershafted P r o t o t y p e

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33 minutes ago, norcaltrojan said:

Curious what everyone’s TD came with weights wise? Mine had 8/8 but I need to get it on a swing weight scale bc with the Ventus Black 6X and MMC Midsize 4 (66g) grip and feels super light. Would Callaway adjust the weights to meet their stock swing weight (I know TM does)? 

Mine came with 6 and 10

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18 hours ago, JamesG12 said:

Mine came with 6 and 10

 Interesting. Do you recall if that was part of your fitting? We never discussed weights in mine so I'm wondering if 8/8 is default. Seems like 10/6 at least gives you the option to move them around

Driver: 9' Callaway Epic Speed Triple Diamond - Ventus Black 6X 

3 Wood: 13' Ping G400 Stretch - HZRDUS HC Yellow 75g 6.5

Irons: 3-GW: Cobra Forged Tec Black - KBS $Taper 130 X

Wedges: Titleist SM8 Raw 56.14F & 60.14K - TT X100 TI Black Onyx

Putter: SC Newport 2 Centershafted P r o t o t y p e

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