Epic Speed Triple Diamond

[davo32683]

How did people order this?

[1lovesputters]

Got mine yesterday - 10.5  Speed TD, not LS.

 

Has anyone hit the Mav SZTD next to this one and how similar were the speed/dispersion/spin results?

Thanks

Robert

[1lovesputters]

On 4/13/2021 at 6:59 AM, davo32683 said:

How did people order this?

Through retailer/custom fitter.  Mine came from CoolClubs.  Just call their 800 number.

[JamesG12]

37 minutes ago, 1lovesputters said:

Through retailer/custom fitter.  Mine came from CoolClubs.  Just call their 800 number.

Or hit up JD’s clubs on Instagram. 

[norcaltrojan]

Mine came in today and it looks fantastic. Really excited to hit it tomorrow

[Tommyboi95]

5 hours ago, norcaltrojan said:

Mine came in today and it looks fantastic. Really excited to hit it tomorrow

Did you get the TD or the TD LS?

[JamesG12]

Has anyone weighed their head? Just curious. I have a TD LS on the way. 

[Tommyboi95]

53 minutes ago, JamesG12 said:

Has anyone weighed their head? Just curious. I have a TD LS on the way. 

Same but I stumbled on a LAGolf Trono 65x for $50 today and now I’m wishing h got the standard TD

[wdaig1]

8 hours ago, JamesG12 said:

Has anyone weighed their head? Just curious. I have a TD LS on the way. 

No matter how it comes, the head has all kinds of flexibility in terms of weighting it like you want it.

[cmatthews77]

On 3/10/2021 at 9:07 AM, bcflyguy1 said:

The Trip Diamond heads have been so popular because they give the players using them the neutral/fade bias they need without the knuckleball that they don't. There's also differences in their shaping that tend to make them appealing, but that's not really what we're talking about here.

 

"Silly low" spin isn't wanted by high level players (and SHOULDN'T be wanted by players of any level that want a driver that's going to allow them to score their best) for a multitude of reasons.

1. Top level players' strike patterns are tight enough and they swing fast enough that they don't need spin rates around 2000 and below to hit the ball far enough. Their strikes rarely stray very far from the more optimal regions of the driver face, and they all bring their own gas in the club head speed department. The added distance from knuckleball-ish spin simply isn't needed.

 

2. Keeping spin in a more manageable window makes for a much more predictable and playable trajectory. Player X can aim up the left third of the fairway and let his fade rip knowing it's not going to fall excessively to the right. If you take 4-500 RPM of backspin away from that player, now all of a sudden that reliable little fade starts to move more than they want. They start having to make compensations to accommodate the club, and that's bad practice for a player of any level never mind the best in the world. There are of course rare exceptions to this, Colin Morikawa being the one that comes to mind first. While above Tour average, his club head speed is rather modest when compared to many of the current best of the best. His AoA with driver is +5, his spin rate dwells just above 2000, but he can function that way because the consistency of his delivery and strike quality is freakishly good even compared to his freakishly good peers.

 

3. At the speeds top level players swing it and the distances they drive it, they're looking for all the help they can find to ideally keep their ball in the fairway but at the very least keep the ball in play. Keeping spin on the golf ball helps them do that, but that's not what drivers designed to win the "TrackMan Olympics" provide them.

4. "Silly Low" driver spin is a barrel of laughs when you're on the range with TrackMan trying to see what sort of ludicrous spin rates and distances you can produce, but it rapidly loses its comedic value when your money game is on the line and you need to get a drive in play. Given the choice between a knuckleballing bomb into the gunch or a shorter and higher spinning drive that's likely to give me a greater chance to shoot a score, I know which one I'm choosing. Nobody cares how far you bombed it when you're next shot is classified as a recovery...and you're forking over money at the 19th hole while you're playing buddies are giving you the needle about your driving.

As an aside, remember TaylorMade's "Everybody Launch it at 17* and 1700 RPM to hit it 17 more yards tO sCoRe SeVeNtEeN sTrOkEs LoWeR" PR campaign? I've only ever seen one player who can produce those launch conditions, and he's a regular playing partner of mine. He's in his early 60's, has never taken a lesson but still manages to play around scratch with a most unorthodox but effective home-grown swing. You can't understand how comical the 17* 1700 drive looks until you see my guy hit one in real life. Your first thought will likely be "that's absurd, I could never play my best golf hitting drives that look like that," and you'd be exactly right. 

This is very well written from the perspective of why the tour pros or elite high speed players prefer these clubs and I would also agree that the average golfer doesn’t need a “super low spin” driver...

 

However, I’ve always gotten my best performance numbers wise AND on the course with the Sub Zero models from Callaway because of my unique delivery. Being a 2HC I hit it decent at (for Golfwrx) slower speeds (103mph with driver) and my predominant shot is a face angle that is open to a left path. Usually 2 left and face 2 open so I’m imparting a lot of spin on the ball just with delivery. The Sub Zero Flash that I play with allows me to at least somewhat neutralize that by a few hundred RPMs... I can hit a draw with a driver but it’s WORK. So I typically never see those toe struck knuckling fall out of the air drives because the spin was 1500...

 

Haven’t really been able to test any of the new Callaway driver line this year yet but would like to. The story of the Max LS seems appealing but seems more love for the Speed. 

Edited April 17, 2021 by cmatthews77

[norcaltrojan]

On 4/16/2021 at 9:59 PM, Tommyboi95 said:

Did you get the TD or the TD LS?

TD

[Tommyboi95]

11 hours ago, norcaltrojan said:

TD

Nice my LS ships Friday 

[norcaltrojan]

After a week and a few rounds in play the Speed TD w Ventus Black 6X is the best combo I've had in the bag in years. This is the first Callaway product that I've ever purchased (I'm stubborn with looks and was a Titleist junior player growing up) and it replaced a brand new Sim2 driver that simply couldn't hang (+5mph ball speed). I was back and forth between the TD and TD LS and ultimately went with the recommendation of our pro and the Callaway rep on site to go with the TD and get a bit more spin out of it (which, if you saw my ball flight, was a hard concept for me to buy into).  @JohnnyCallaway "spin is your friend" couldn't be more right with the new Speed line. Best way I can describe it is a controllable bomber, which is a combination that hasn't been perfected this well in any of the modern low spin heads. Finally, the slightly open look of the TD fits my eye perfectly and gives me the confidence to not pull the ball left

[JohnnyCallaway]

For anyone that wants a better look, here you go...

[JamesG12]

I played my TD LS for a round this weekend. Some amazing drives but some really low spin ones too. Too low for me. Going to post it on the bst later 

[junkfry]

On 4/17/2021 at 12:21 AM, JamesG12 said:

Has anyone weighed their head? Just curious. I have a TD LS on the way. 

200grams head weight with 16grams of weight(2x 8gram or 10gram & 6gram).

[Peoples Golf]

We have several TD and TD LS heads left, email us for more info, [email protected] 

[eibes]

2 hours ago, Peoples Golf said:

We have several TD and TD LS heads left, email us for more info, [email protected] 

 

Sent you an email

[djhgolf]

Maybe early days still,

 

But anyone compare ESTD to Sim/Sim2?

 

Thank you 

[norcaltrojan]

Curious what everyone’s TD came with weights wise? Mine had 8/8 but I need to get it on a swing weight scale bc with the Ventus Black 6X and MMC Midsize 4 (66g) grip and feels super light. Would Callaway adjust the weights to meet their stock swing weight (I know TM does)? 

[JamesG12]

33 minutes ago, norcaltrojan said:

Curious what everyone’s TD came with weights wise? Mine had 8/8 but I need to get it on a swing weight scale bc with the Ventus Black 6X and MMC Midsize 4 (66g) grip and feels super light. Would Callaway adjust the weights to meet their stock swing weight (I know TM does)? 

Mine came with 6 and 10

[norcaltrojan]

18 hours ago, JamesG12 said:

Mine came with 6 and 10

 Interesting. Do you recall if that was part of your fitting? We never discussed weights in mine so I'm wondering if 8/8 is default. Seems like 10/6 at least gives you the option to move them around

[JamesG12]

Mine is an LS, so I’m not sure if that makes a difference. Maybe it does. But no I didn’t ask for anything specific 

[Scootre]

Any of them have a deeper face than the standard Epic speed? My favorite drivers have always had deeper faces (R510TP, Big Bertha 816 Alpha DBD). 

[rickybooby25]

Stupid question: But does anyone know if the Epic Speed Triple Diamond is as forgiving as the Ping G410 plus or G425 max?  I haven't really got into callaway drivers before so I really have no idea what they are comparable to.

[me05501]

1 hour ago, rickybooby25 said:

Stupid question: But does anyone know if the Epic Speed Triple Diamond is as forgiving as the Ping G410 plus or G425 max?  I haven't really got into callaway drivers before so I really have no idea what they are comparable to.

The comparable Callaway model would be the Max LS. Not sure why you’d need the triple diamond version. 

[rickybooby25]

5 minutes ago, me05501 said:

The comparable Callaway model would be the Max LS. Not sure why you’d need the triple diamond version. 

Cause all the pros use it, I’m a club junkie, Phil won using it, it’s the thing to have, tour exclusive...

 

hahaha

[third-times-a-charm]

16 hours ago, rickybooby25 said:

Stupid question: But does anyone know if the Epic Speed Triple Diamond is as forgiving as the Ping G410 plus or G425 max?  I haven't really got into callaway drivers before so I really have no idea what they are comparable to.

 

Ping MAX = Epic MAX

Ping LST = Epic Max LS (slightly more forgiving, even)

Ping SFT = Epic Speed

 

The TD models can compare in forgiveness to the SFT/LST but not the Max.

[LafFord]

On 4/22/2021 at 5:13 PM, JamesG12 said:

I played my TD LS for a round this weekend. Some amazing drives but some really low spin ones too. Too low for me. Going to post it on the bst later 

This is what I’m scared of, I want one because I love the look at address but not sure I can spin it enough coming from my trusty TSi2..... definitely would stay away from the LS for sure, decisions decisions. 

[JamesG12]

10 minutes ago, LafFord said:

This is what I’m scared of, I want one because I love the look at address but not sure I can spin it enough coming from my trusty TSi2..... definitely would stay away from the LS for sure, decisions decisions. 

I ended up giving the TD LS another shot. I had it at -1, went back to neutral and am having much better success. Haven’t had many shots drop out of the sky.