Mizuno MP-22

[m_w]

I210 vs 223

 

[over7par]

8 minutes ago, m_w said:

I210 vs 223

 

Big help to me here. I just recently picked up a set of used i210s and love them. Just looking at the size of the sole and blade length, the 223s might just be a little too small for my competency. Lol. I've had a couple sets of the MP-20 MMCs and while I can hit them, there were just too many mishits. If I want to go with a set of these new Mizunos, I'll probably go the 225 route.

 

Thanks for all your input and thoughts. Helps a whole lot!

[4TheKing614]

5 minutes ago, over7par said:

Big help to me here. I just recently picked up a set of used i210s and love them. Just looking at the size of the sole and blade length, the 223s might just be a little too small for my competency. Lol. I've had a couple sets of the MP-20 MMCs and while I can hit them, there were just too many mishits. If I want to go with a set of these new Mizunos, I'll probably go the 225 route.

 

Thanks for all your input and thoughts. Helps a whole lot!

This helped me as well. I realized that they aren’t too small. I appreciate everyone help

[JourdanM]

1 hour ago, 4TheKing614 said:

I need more spin and better turf interaction. I’m a sweeper. Pretty shallow. I can’t imagine them being more forgiving then the srixon? These are the ones i wanted to work the most. It isn’t a huge jump from the srixon though?

Double post 

Edited November 16, 2021 by JourdanM

[JourdanM]

1 hour ago, 4TheKing614 said:

I need more spin and better turf interaction. I’m a sweeper. Pretty shallow. I can’t imagine them being more forgiving then the srixon? These are the ones i wanted to work the most. It isn’t a huge jump from the srixon though?

Think 921 forged forgiveness in a smaller package. So definitely more forgiving than 785. Likely more so than ZX7 and higher launch.

[JourdanM]

1 hour ago, booty4 said:

FWIW it sounds like in the video they left the lofts standard on the 221 and 223,  so same spin numbers for Luke on each one but substantially more carry with the 223

I think the 221 lofts are weaker, no? I'm already impressed by the spin numbers on the 223 in what I assumed was a stronger loft. 

[booty4]

3 minutes ago, JourdanM said:

I think the 221 lofts are weaker, no? I'm already impressed by the spin numbers on the 223 in what I assumed was a stronger loft. 

yea im not sure of the exact specs but I assume the 221 lofts are at least a degree weaker, maybe two

[4TheKing614]

19 minutes ago, JourdanM said:

Think 921 forged forgiveness in a smaller package. So definitely more forgiving than 785. Likely more so than ZX7 and higher launch.

Good to know. I’m honestly hoping this is my next set. I strongly dislike the feel of the 921 forged. Not sure why. Wish I didn’t. I love the feel of the 921 tour just wanted a little bit more forgiveness. 
I will be getting fit, but just like to know ahead of time. 

[JourdanM]

5 minutes ago, 4TheKing614 said:

Good to know. I’m honestly hoping this is my next set. I strongly dislike the feel of the 921 forged. Not sure why. Wish I didn’t. I love the feel of the 921 tour just wanted a little bit more forgiveness. 
I will be getting fit, but just like to know ahead of time. 

I have a very good feeling that these are going to be the winners in my bag, too. 

[4TheKing614]

1 minute ago, JourdanM said:

I have a very good feeling that these are going to be the winners in my bag, too. 

My list is these, mim tour, ping i210 replacement; maybe even apex... see what happens. Hoping it is these

[noodle3872]

2 hours ago, JourdanM said:

I think the 221 lofts are weaker, no? I'm already impressed by the spin numbers on the 223 in what I assumed was a stronger loft. 

 

2 hours ago, booty4 said:

yea im not sure of the exact specs but I assume the 221 lofts are at least a degree weaker, maybe two

The 221 and 223 are the same as the outgoing MB and MMC. 

[ewaldbeukes]

16 hours ago, booty4 said:

yea im not sure of the exact specs but I assume the 221 lofts are at least a degree weaker, maybe two

Quick side by side comparison to my current MP5's and then the ZX7's which are comparitive. They align to those loft structures. (Info off Mizuno Kr website)

 

	Mizuno MP5	Mizuno MP 221	Mizuno MP 223	Srixon ZX7
4 Iron	24	24	22	22
5 Iron	27	27	25	25
6 Iron	30	30	28	28
7 Iron	34	34	32	32
8 Iron	38	38	36	36
9 Iron	42	42	41	41
Pitching Wedge	46	46	46	46

[halfsumo]

Man, all of a sudden I want that black MP FliHi....like, really want it. 😪

 

 

[bazinky]

So exited to see these pics and that the 223 is still using a 46 degree pitching wedge, so I won't need to revamp my wedges right away if these make the cut.

 

Stinks it's gonna be a long wait till I can hit these off grass ...

[JourdanM]

7 hours ago, halfsumo said:

Man, all of a sudden I want that black MP FliHi....like, really want it. 😪

 

 

I think I want one in the 4 iron spot. Could always put hot metal pro there too... so many options 

[4TheKing614]

On 11/16/2021 at 12:15 PM, m_w said:

I210 vs 223

 

Today I went and tried almost all the clubs on the market. Your feedback helped a lot. You said the 223 is as small as the i59. So for me it is out. 
I tried the t100 and needed a little more forgiveness. I tried t200 couldn’t take the sound. I tried apex and apex pro. I found the forgiveness on both to be very similar. I just didn’t love the feel of apex pro and if forgiveness was the same, I wasn’t going to go with apex of apex pro. I tried the Taylormade MC, the i59. I hit the 921 tour and found them to be nicer and more forgiving and better feeling the rest. If the size of the 233 is smaller I’ll lean towards the 921 tour. If I bought today, I would have went with that. I came the the conclusion that my next irons will between the jpx tour and the ping i210 replacement. Forgiveness versus something that would be a little more challenging. We will see what the fitting looks like this spring. Thanks for all your all. It meant a lot 

[over7par]

8 minutes ago, 4TheKing614 said:

Today I went and tried almost all the clubs on the market. Your feedback helped a lot. You said the 223 is as small as the i59. So for me it is out. 
I tried the t100 and needed a little more forgiveness. I tried t200 couldn’t take the sound. I tried apex and apex pro. I found the forgiveness on both to be very similar. I just didn’t love the feel of apex pro and if forgiveness was the same, I wasn’t going to go with apex of apex pro. I tried the Taylormade MC, the i59. I hit the 921 tour and found them to be nicer and more forgiving and better feeling the rest. If the size of the 233 is smaller I’ll lean towards the 921 tour. If I bought today, I would have went with that. I came the the conclusion that my next irons will between the jpx tour and the ping i210 replacement. Forgiveness versus something that would be a little more challenging. We will see what the fitting looks like this spring. Thanks for all your all. It meant a lot 

I'm heading tomorrow to do the same thing, at least with shafts. I've played another couple of times with the used set of i210s that I just recently grabbed and they're really what I've been looking for. It's just the WRX'er in me that wants to constantly test and try everything out there.

 

If I had to decide on one set to just stick with between the i210s, 2021 T200s, or ZX5/ZX7 combo set I own, I'm picking i210s all day right now. I'm going tomorrow to hit a bunch of shafts to see if anything might be a little better for me, but I'm also going to hit some heads like the 921 Tour and Forged to see how they compare to the i210.

 

I'm also considering just going with the 225s if I think the 223s are too small. The main reason I didn't love the MP-20 HMB was the slightly thicker topline and they didn't go as long as the set of P790s I had then, even with the hollow body. From what we've been able to tell, they've trimmed the 225 slightly and strengthened the lofts slightly. I'm thinking this might be more in line of what I'd like as opposed to the 223s. I'd LOVE the 223s, but if I'm going to give something a real go, I'd probably be better served looking at 225.

Edited November 18, 2021 by over7par
Adding 225 thoughts

[4TheKing614]

21 minutes ago, over7par said:

I'm heading tomorrow to do the same thing, at least with shafts. I've played another couple of times with the used set of i210s that I just recently grabbed and they're really what I've been looking for. It's just the WRX'er in me that wants to constantly test and try everything out there.

 

If I had to decide on one set to just stick with between the i210s, 2021 T200s, or ZX5/ZX7 combo set I own, I'm picking i210s all day right now. I'm going tomorrow to hit a bunch of shafts to see if anything might be a little better for me, but I'm also going to hit some heads like the 921 Tour and Forged to see how they compare to the i210.

 

I'm also considering just going with the 225s if I think the 223s are too small. The main reason I didn't love the MP-20 HMB was the slightly thicker topline and they didn't go as long as the set of P790s I had then, even with the hollow body. From what we've been able to tell, they've trimmed the 225 slightly and strengthened the lofts slightly. I'm thinking this might be more in line of what I'd like as opposed to the 223s. I'd LOVE the 223s, but if I'm going to give something a real go, I'd probably be better served looking at 225.

Srixon makes a great irons. I game them now. I don’t like hallowbody irons for anything. Hope you have good luck tomorrow. 

[Viper4225]

 

in general, is the JPX line a bigger head than the MP line? 

 

Really like the 223s but they seem quite small. 

[over7par]

Just now, 4TheKing614 said:

Srixon makes a great irons. I game them now. I don’t like hallowbody irons for anything. Hope you have good luck tomorrow. 

I may ultimately come to the same conclusion. I don't hate the Srixons at all. Quite the contrary actually. Probably need to work with them a little more because most rounds I've played them, I've gotten good results. And they're the longest set I own, even against the stronger lofted T200s.

 

I really need to stop buying stuff. It's fun to joke about and it's a whole lot of fun testing, but I'm finding a lot of paralysis by analysis between everything. Need to just keep what I've got or even get rid of some stuff.

 

It's just hard to pass on these Mizuno offerings. They look great.

[4TheKing614]

9 minutes ago, over7par said:

I may ultimately come to the same conclusion. I don't hate the Srixons at all. Quite the contrary actually. Probably need to work with them a little more because most rounds I've played them, I've gotten good results. And they're the longest set I own, even against the stronger lofted T200s.

 

I really need to stop buying stuff. It's fun to joke about and it's a whole lot of fun testing, but I'm finding a lot of paralysis by analysis between everything. Need to just keep what I've got or even get rid of some stuff.

 

It's just hard to pass on these Mizuno offerings. They look great.

I’m getting a new set and I’m done for 3-5 years. Things aren’t getting significantly better. You watch they Will start making more clubs to address the new golfers and forget about the guys like me who don’t want more bladed irons, want a little more to the head, without super thick top lines and lots of offset. I’m looking forward to not updating my stuff for a while after that. 

[noodle3872]

14 minutes ago, Viper4225 said:

 

in general, is the JPX line a bigger head than the MP line? 

 

Really like the 223s but they seem quite small. 

We’re talking about 1-2 millimetres or less in head size between JPX and Mizuno Pro. Check out Mizuno’s current iron comparison tool. 
 

https://mizunogolf.com/ca/irons-comparison-table/

[4TheKing614]

1 minute ago, noodle3872 said:

We’re talking about 1-2 millimetres or less in head size between JPX and Mizuno Pro. Check out Mizuno’s current iron comparison tool. 
 

https://mizunogolf.com/ca/irons-comparison-table/

Read up higher. They are the same size as the i59. The new irons are smaller and more compact then the older mmc irons. It isn’t the same comparison 

[noodle3872]

I’ve never held a i59 so the comparison is lost on me. My rep says the 223 is slightly smaller than the MP 20 MMC but larger than the 921 Tour. 
 

6 iron comparison head length

MP 20 MMC - 77.9 mm

921 Tour - 77.2 mm

921 Forged - 80.1 mm

So if the 223 is the same size as i59, they really aren’t that small of a club IMHO. If the 223 truly does have great ballspeed retention and good forgiveness it’ll be a great club for a wide range of golfers. 

 

[m_w]

11 minutes ago, noodle3872 said:

I’ve never held a i59 so the comparison is lost on me. My rep says the 223 is slightly smaller than the MP 20 MMC but larger than the 921 Tour. 
 

6 iron comparison head length

MP 20 MMC - 77.9 mm

921 Tour - 77.2 mm

921 Forged - 80.1 mm

So if the 223 is the same size as i59, they really aren’t that small of a club IMHO. If the 223 truly does have great ballspeed retention and good forgiveness it’ll be a great club for a wide range of golfers. 

 

Broadly measuring the 8 iron of the 223 in regards to length, i'd say its about 75mm in length vs 76.6mm in the JPX Tour

[4TheKing614]

6 minutes ago, m_w said:

Broadly measuring the 8 iron of the 223 in regards to length, i'd say its about 75mm in length vs 76.6mm in the JPX Tour

You would know best. Thanks for sharing 

[noodle3872]

14 minutes ago, m_w said:

Broadly measuring the 8 iron of the 223 in regards to length, i'd say its about 75mm in length vs 76.6mm in the JPX Tour

That’s interesting. My rep says the 223 set is bigger than 921T and smaller than MMC throughout the set in an iron to iron comparison. I’m assuming he has the comparison table or data on hand like we see on Mizuno’s site. 

[TheGolfingRealtor]

On 11/16/2021 at 12:15 PM, m_w said:

I210 vs 223

 

Interesting! I have the i210’s but want something smaller. I tried the T100 and I think those are too small 

[TheGolfingRealtor]

Have these shown up in the fitting carts yet? I heard early December but who knows these days. 

[4TheKing614]

41 minutes ago, TheGolfingRealtor said:

Have these shown up in the fitting carts yet? I heard early December but who knows these days. 

I was at a shop today and no where to be found. I asked a question to mizuno online. They really won’t answer. Said they won’t be released until February