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49 minutes ago, Payton1020 said:

 

Haven't hit them yet. 

 

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I hope you'll update us with how it goes when you hit them.  Good or bad, curious about the feedback.

 

I grabbed a 6i, 8i, and pw to build for my wife, which I've not yet assembled.  I think she could benefit from the single length concept.  Or the Dual Length concept.  🙂

 

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6 hours ago, Payton1020 said:

 

Haven't hit them yet. 

 

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I asked about lefty and the response was "not in 2021 for sure". They look good, let us know how they play.

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On 4/20/2021 at 4:14 PM, Rich Douglas said:

On another note:

 

Regarding the temptation to use variable-length clubs for the "shorter" irons and wedges, I am not an advocate for one specific reason: I'm more accurate (distance and dispersion) with the single-length versions of these clubs, despite their longer lengths. I think there's something to be said for being "dialed in" with all of these clubs. (But YMMV, of course, and we should all do what we feel is best for us.)

 

Which brings up a question: where does the single-length set begin and end? Assuming we call the low-lofted irons the "beginning," the set begins with the lowest-lofted iron you can hit that will retain proper gapping. This is a function of swing speed and shaft length chosen. A good rule of thumb (that might not apply to you particularly) is that at the 8-iron length, you'll start your set one club "shorter" than a variable-length set. So if you are comfortable hitting a 4 iron as your lowest-lofted iron in a traditional set, you'll probably begin your variable-length irons with a 5-iron. (If you go with a longer shaft in the set, however, you might still start it at a 4-iron.)  Slower swingers who really can't hit their traditional 4-irons will likely start at a single-length 6-iron or so. (Amazing how many people have long irons in their bags that they simply cannot hit well. But it came with the set, right? Wrong. Dump those clubs and replace them with hybrids, please.)

 

I can hit the 4-iron at an 8-iron length, but it flies a little too low and rolls out a little too far for my tastes. So when I switched from Wishon Sterling to Wishon EQ1-NX I didn't miss the lack of a 4-iron in the new set. (Tom says he isn't going to do a 4-iron for the new set since it didn't sell well anyway.) I break mine out every once in a while to re-check my conclusion, but I always put it right back.

 

Now, the other end of the set. My set is 5I-SW. I have the Sterling LW and went back-and-forth between it and a traditional LW for years. My conclusion: I like hitting the Sterling LW from the fairway, especially with a full swing. But the length means the lie angle is just too flat to make it versatile enough out of the sand and around the green. Since that is the club's major function, I have finally (I think) settled on a traditional LW. That means, though, that it feels really different (length, lie angle, and swing weight) than my other irons. Thus, I only use it for half-swings from the fairway (60yds and in) and around the greens and sand. I never take a full swing with it, preferring instead to take a less-than-full swing with the SW for those shots between 60 and 115yds (the SW's full-swing carry). 

 

The only other decision I will have to make is whether or not to continue carrying traditional Ping hybrids (3H and 4H) or switch the 4H out for a Wishon EQ1-NX 4H set at the same length as my irons. I've hesitated since I have the 3H anyway. Or, perhaps, I could opt in for the Wishon hybrid, dump both Ping hybrids, which would leave me room for that Sterling LW for longer shots from the fairway. Because I choke down on the driver, I swing it and the TM mini-driver at the same length. This would reduce my total number of full swings to two--woods and irons.

 

I think I'll go lie down now....

I thought about what I posted...and I decided to do it.

 

I pulled the traditional hybrids (Ping G425 3H and 4H) from the bag. I added a 36.5" Wishon EQ1-NX 4-hybrid (same length as the rest of my irons). Man, does that club go! I can't believe I'm hitting this 4H as far as my traditional 4H, and a whole lot straighter.

 

I pulled the traditional Callaway 60-degree LW and put in the Sterling 36.5" LW. I also added a 64-degree LW, giving me 5 wedges (45, 50, 56, 60, and 64). 

 

The benefits. First, I now have more greenside options than ever. I spend much more time and cash around the greens than I do trying to choose between a 3H and a 4H (like, almost never). Second, I can now use the Sterling LW with full and near-full swings--the thing I loved most about it--without being tied to using it around the green. (I didn't like that because the length of the club made it too flat to use on flop and wide-open sand shots.) Third, the Callaway 64-degree wedge is great around the greens and out of the sand. Finally, I've reduced my full swings from four to two--one for woods (they're nearly the same length as each other) and one for irons (all the same length). 

 

I really noticed this last one by adding the Wishon EQ1-NX 4-hybrid. It looked like a hybrid, but swung like an 8-iron (as it should). This created a bit of cognitive dissonance on the first two swings. But the feel was the same as the rest of the irons, so that went away immediately. 

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Driver: Titleist TSi3 (Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 60)
2W: TM Mini Driver
4H: Wishon EQ1-NX Single Length 4h (36.5")
Irons: Wishon EQ1-NX Single Length 5I-SW (UST Mamiya Recoil 780 ES “S” Flex 86 grams), 36.5"

LW: Wishon Sterling, 60 degrees, 36.5"

LW: JAWS MD5 Tour Grey, 64 degrees
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11 hours ago, Rich Douglas said:

 

I really noticed this last one by adding the Wishon EQ1-NX 4-hybrid. It looked like a hybrid, but swung like an 8-iron (as it should). This created a bit of cognitive dissonance on the first two swings. But the feel was the same as the rest of the irons, so that went away immediately. 

 

Question, same shaft / weight / flex on the 4H as the rest of the set? 

 

It appears the head weight on the 4H is 20g lighter than the irons, so I'm interested how the setup needs to change to be balanced to the same feel...

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4 hours ago, betarhoalphadelta said:

 

Question, same shaft / weight / flex on the 4H as the rest of the set? 

 

It appears the head weight on the 4H is 20g lighter than the irons, so I'm interested how the setup needs to change to be balanced to the same feel...

Yes. Same shaft, gross weight, swing weight, flex, MOI, everything.

 

The heads are designed with multiple, switchable weights so the can be made heavier for the single-length approach, or lighter for more traditional lengths. I swing all my irons at D3, so this 4H is at D3, too.

Driver: Titleist TSi3 (Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 60)
2W: TM Mini Driver
4H: Wishon EQ1-NX Single Length 4h (36.5")
Irons: Wishon EQ1-NX Single Length 5I-SW (UST Mamiya Recoil 780 ES “S” Flex 86 grams), 36.5"

LW: Wishon Sterling, 60 degrees, 36.5"

LW: JAWS MD5 Tour Grey, 64 degrees
Putter: Bloodline (center-shafted mallet)
Ball: Titleist ProV1 (2021)

Glove: Bionic Performancegrip Pro

Shoes: Sqairz 20/20

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18 hours ago, Rich Douglas said:

I thought about what I posted...and I decided to do it.

 

I pulled the traditional hybrids (Ping G425 3H and 4H) from the bag. I added a 36.5" Wishon EQ1-NX 4-hybrid (same length as the rest of my irons). Man, does that club go! I can't believe I'm hitting this 4H as far as my traditional 4H, and a whole lot straighter.

 

I pulled the traditional Callaway 60-degree LW and put in the Sterling 36.5" LW. I also added a 64-degree LW, giving me 5 wedges (45, 50, 56, 60, and 64). 

 

The benefits. First, I now have more greenside options than ever. I spend much more time and cash around the greens than I do trying to choose between a 3H and a 4H (like, almost never). Second, I can now use the Sterling LW with full and near-full swings--the thing I loved most about it--without being tied to using it around the green. (I didn't like that because the length of the club made it too flat to use on flop and wide-open sand shots.) Third, the Callaway 64-degree wedge is great around the greens and out of the sand. Finally, I've reduced my full swings from four to two--one for woods (they're nearly the same length as each other) and one for irons (all the same length). 

 

I really noticed this last one by adding the Wishon EQ1-NX 4-hybrid. It looked like a hybrid, but swung like an 8-iron (as it should). This created a bit of cognitive dissonance on the first two swings. But the feel was the same as the rest of the irons, so that went away immediately. 

If u could post ur ball speed and spin on those hybrids that would be awesome

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21 minutes ago, extrastiff said:

If u could post ur ball speed and spin on those hybrids that would be awesome

Sorry, no. It's a great idea and would be very useful information for me--and I'd love to share it--but I do not have the time to get on a launch monitor or simulator. 

 

Maybe it's time to purchase one....

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Driver: Titleist TSi3 (Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 60)
2W: TM Mini Driver
4H: Wishon EQ1-NX Single Length 4h (36.5")
Irons: Wishon EQ1-NX Single Length 5I-SW (UST Mamiya Recoil 780 ES “S” Flex 86 grams), 36.5"

LW: Wishon Sterling, 60 degrees, 36.5"

LW: JAWS MD5 Tour Grey, 64 degrees
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I have an Sterling 4 iron and asked Tom about a EQ1 4H cause they are pretty much same loft. He told me that in order to gain a few yards the hybrid should be an inch or two longer than the iron. So no hybrid for me.

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6 hours ago, ojosdegatonegro said:

I have an Sterling 4 iron and asked Tom about a EQ1 4H cause they are pretty much same loft. He told me that in order to gain a few yards the hybrid should be an inch or two longer than the iron. So no hybrid for me.

I still have a Sterling 4-iron, and now I have the EQ1-NX 4-hybrid. The differences are stunning, and in a very good way.

 

My new 4-hybrid performs almost like my Ping G425 4-hybrid. I think it might fly a bit lower, but the carry distance was great and I didn't sense any issues stopping the ball. 

 

Yes, if you lengthen the club, you should gain some yards. Nothing unique there. If you do, however, you'll have to remove some weight from the head to maintain your swing weight.

Driver: Titleist TSi3 (Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 60)
2W: TM Mini Driver
4H: Wishon EQ1-NX Single Length 4h (36.5")
Irons: Wishon EQ1-NX Single Length 5I-SW (UST Mamiya Recoil 780 ES “S” Flex 86 grams), 36.5"

LW: Wishon Sterling, 60 degrees, 36.5"

LW: JAWS MD5 Tour Grey, 64 degrees
Putter: Bloodline (center-shafted mallet)
Ball: Titleist ProV1 (2021)

Glove: Bionic Performancegrip Pro

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8 hours ago, extrastiff said:

If u could post ur ball speed and spin on those hybrids that would be awesome

I've got 4&5 eq1 hybrids built to the same setup as my sterlings except I have a .335 tip shaft in the hybrids instead of the .370 iron shaft. They are the same weight though so feel pretty similar. Ive got a gc2 so I can post data later but I'm building some shelving in the garage this week so the simulator isn't setup.  But I played the sterling 4-5 irons and have hit the eq1 5 iron and I will say the hybrids definitely launch higher but spin pretty similar to the iron of similar loft.  I've never liked hybrids for whatever reason so they probably won't make it into the bag but for someone who does like the look of hybrids and need help getting the lower lofts airborne they definitely help with launch and are super forgiving.  I'm obsessed with my ping fw woods though so don't think I'll ever move into the eq1 fairway woods.  I'm weird and play 5-7-9 woods and then sterling 5-LW.  9 wood honestly feels like cheating at times. 240 carry dead straight, super high, almost get it to stop in it's pitch mark on the greens haha.  

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1 hour ago, Rich Douglas said:

I still have a Sterling 4-iron, and now I have the EQ1-NX 4-hybrid. The differences are stunning, and in a very good way.

 

My new 4-hybrid performs almost like my Ping G425 4-hybrid. I think it might fly a bit lower, but the carry distance was great and I didn't sense any issues stopping the ball. 

 

Yes, if you lengthen the club, you should gain some yards. Nothing unique there. If you do, however, you'll have to remove some weight from the head to maintain your swing weight.

Rich if you ever Feel like parting ways with your sterling 4 iron let me know id be interested in buying it.  

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6 hours ago, Truok said:

I've got 4&5 eq1 hybrids built to the same setup as my sterlings except I have a .335 tip shaft in the hybrids instead of the .370 iron shaft. They are the same weight though so feel pretty similar. Ive got a gc2 so I can post data later but I'm building some shelving in the garage this week so the simulator isn't setup.  But I played the sterling 4-5 irons and have hit the eq1 5 iron and I will say the hybrids definitely launch higher but spin pretty similar to the iron of similar loft.  I've never liked hybrids for whatever reason so they probably won't make it into the bag but for someone who does like the look of hybrids and need help getting the lower lofts airborne they definitely help with launch and are super forgiving.  I'm obsessed with my ping fw woods though so don't think I'll ever move into the eq1 fairway woods.  I'm weird and play 5-7-9 woods and then sterling 5-LW.  9 wood honestly feels like cheating at times. 240 carry dead straight, super high, almost get it to stop in it's pitch mark on the greens haha.  

Ok i look forward to data

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i have tried these one length irons a few times but have never gotten on with them. the short irons launch to high and the long irons to low. i felt like i had to manipulate the club on every shot. i really wanted to like these which is why i have tried them a few times at demo days but just couldnt get on with them. just got fitted for mizuno irons, cant wait for them to arrive.

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11 hours ago, Rich Douglas said:

I still have a Sterling 4-iron, and now I have the EQ1-NX 4-hybrid. The differences are stunning, and in a very good way.

 

My new 4-hybrid performs almost like my Ping G425 4-hybrid. I think it might fly a bit lower, but the carry distance was great and I didn't sense any issues stopping the ball. 

 

Yes, if you lengthen the club, you should gain some yards. Nothing unique there. If you do, however, you'll have to remove some weight from the head to maintain your swing weight.

Well that's interesting. Maybe if I find some bargain i'll have it a try.

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14 hours ago, Truok said:

Rich if you ever Feel like parting ways with your sterling 4 iron let me know id be interested in buying it.  

Unfortunately, it's part of the set (4I - LW). And it's more hassle than it's worth to sell it. But thanks!

Driver: Titleist TSi3 (Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 60)
2W: TM Mini Driver
4H: Wishon EQ1-NX Single Length 4h (36.5")
Irons: Wishon EQ1-NX Single Length 5I-SW (UST Mamiya Recoil 780 ES “S” Flex 86 grams), 36.5"

LW: Wishon Sterling, 60 degrees, 36.5"

LW: JAWS MD5 Tour Grey, 64 degrees
Putter: Bloodline (center-shafted mallet)
Ball: Titleist ProV1 (2021)

Glove: Bionic Performancegrip Pro

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6 hours ago, Jesus g said:

i have tried these one length irons a few times but have never gotten on with them. the short irons launch to high and the long irons to low. i felt like i had to manipulate the club on every shot. i really wanted to like these which is why i have tried them a few times at demo days but just couldnt get on with them. just got fitted for mizuno irons, cant wait for them to arrive.

Which brand and model? Because the Wishon EQ1-NX addresses these issues rather well. I find the low-lofted irons (which are built 1 degree weaker) fly higher than Sterling, and the wedges are a bit lower. Wishon optimized the launch angles in these clubs to cut down on the effect you describe.

Driver: Titleist TSi3 (Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 60)
2W: TM Mini Driver
4H: Wishon EQ1-NX Single Length 4h (36.5")
Irons: Wishon EQ1-NX Single Length 5I-SW (UST Mamiya Recoil 780 ES “S” Flex 86 grams), 36.5"

LW: Wishon Sterling, 60 degrees, 36.5"

LW: JAWS MD5 Tour Grey, 64 degrees
Putter: Bloodline (center-shafted mallet)
Ball: Titleist ProV1 (2021)

Glove: Bionic Performancegrip Pro

Shoes: Sqairz 20/20

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On 5/5/2021 at 2:51 PM, Rich Douglas said:

Which brand and model? Because the Wishon EQ1-NX addresses these issues rather well. I find the low-lofted irons (which are built 1 degree weaker) fly higher than Sterling, and the wedges are a bit lower. Wishon optimized the launch angles in these clubs to cut down on the effect you describe.

I have only tried the Cobra one length irons. No other brands. I wish I had tried Wishon instead.

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