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Been a big fan of the original SIM but regret my decision on getting a 9 deg instead of the 8 deg. Very tempted to pick up a SIM2 8* to lower my launch and spin. Would love to hear some more thoughts on sound/feel comparing the two heads 

Driver = Titleist TSi2 Hzrdus smoke 6.0

1 iron = Titleist U510 Hzrdus smoke 6.0
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I played the SIM Max 10.5 with Riptide 6.0 shaft last year.  I am a very low ball hitter so had it set to max loft.  I switched to a SIM2 10.5 and used the same shaft this year.  I am playing it in Std setting and my ball flight is higher than last year.  I think the sound and feel is way better than the original, although this year I went with the SIM2 and last year was the Max.

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Through my experience ‘better’ depends on what you want....

 

OG SIM is longer, but more punishing on less than perfect strikes...SIM2 is marginally shorter (5ish yards) and doesn’t seem to have the freakishly long out of the screws ball in it.

 

But....SIM 2 is more consistent (for me anyway) less punishing on average hits and seems to retain ball speed and spin over the face better!!

 

If I had the time to work on my swing more and had a more consistent strike then I’d definitely still be playing OG SIM!!

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15 hours ago, craz-e said:

Been a big fan of the original SIM but regret my decision on getting a 9 deg instead of the 8 deg. Very tempted to pick up a SIM2 8* to lower my launch and spin. Would love to hear some more thoughts on sound/feel comparing the two heads 

I have both.  9* SIM, 8* SIM 2.  It's harder to tell the difference between sweet spot and slightly toe or heel side with the OG SIM.  SIM seems to spin less than SIM 2 which is part of the reason why I went lower loft with the SIM 2.  Both heads are pretty much dialed in for me.  The SIM 2 has a more solid feel.  On good drives, distance is marginal, but the SIM 2 dispersion wise is more accurate all around. 

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1 minute ago, phizzy30 said:

I have both.  9* SIM, 8* SIM 2.  It's harder to tell the difference between sweet spot and slightly toe or heel side with the OG SIM.  SIM seems to spin less than SIM 2 which is part of the reason why I went lower loft with the SIM 2.  Both heads are pretty much dialed in for me.  The SIM 2 has a more solid feel.  On good drives, distance is marginal, but the SIM 2 dispersion wise is more accurate all around. 

 

Awesome, thanks for the feedback

Driver = Titleist TSi2 Hzrdus smoke 6.0

1 iron = Titleist U510 Hzrdus smoke 6.0
3 iron = Titleist U500 Hzrdus smoke 6.0
Irons = Wilson Staff FG59, DG S300 4-PW
Wedges = Bettinardi HLX 3.0 50*

                  Taylormade MG2 56* and 60*

Putter = Odyssey white hot pro 1WS 

Ball = Bridgestone Tour B RXS 

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30 minutes ago, rp4golf said:

I'm surprised nobody mentioned that the sliding weight track was discontinued after the OG SIM.

Didn't really bother me.  As long as you have either lead tape or hot melt in the right spot, SIM 2 will perform just as well. 

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Just ordered a SIM 2 in 8* to test against my original SIM 9*. Looking forward to the fight to the death on course testing 

Driver = Titleist TSi2 Hzrdus smoke 6.0

1 iron = Titleist U510 Hzrdus smoke 6.0
3 iron = Titleist U500 Hzrdus smoke 6.0
Irons = Wilson Staff FG59, DG S300 4-PW
Wedges = Bettinardi HLX 3.0 50*

                  Taylormade MG2 56* and 60*

Putter = Odyssey white hot pro 1WS 

Ball = Bridgestone Tour B RXS 

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4 hours ago, craz-e said:

Just ordered a SIM 2 in 8* to test against my original SIM 9*. Looking forward to the fight to the death on course testing 

I just finished that head to head. They are very, very similar drivers. I think you going 8 in sim2 will be comparable to the 9 in sim. I played sim2 at 9 and sim at 9.75 and got basically equal drivers. 

 

The biggest difference I found was that sim2 wanted to stay pretty straight where sim has more of a tailing fade because of how I have sim setup. I put a heavier backweight in sim2 (22g) and i have a heavier backweight in sim (17g). I have the sim front weight toe side of center. 

 

I think I would have really liked sim2 IF that front weight could be positioned toe side rather than heel side of center. 

 

The only other real difference was sound and feel. Sim is hard and solid. Sim2 is soft and springy. Sim2 has a springy sound and it feels like the ball isn't going anywhere...but it does get out there. I imagine you'll see about 1mph more ballspeed from.sim2 just do to it being lower lofted.

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11 hours ago, getitdaily said:

IThe only other real difference was sound and feel. Sim is hard and solid. Sim2 is soft and springy. Sim2 has a springy sound and it feels like the ball isn't going anywhere...but it does get out there. I imagine you'll see about 1mph more ballspeed from.sim2 just do to it being lower lofted.


I’m glad I’m not the only person to think this! Came from a Mavrik SZ and the SIM2 definitely felt more soft. As you say, some drives it doesn’t feel like it’s going to go very far but it certainly gets out there.
 

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If you already own the original SIM, yes.

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Overall consensus seems to be that the OG SIM is better if you consistently hit the sweet spot and want something more fade biased.  SIM 2 is better if you want a more neutral driver that is more forgiving. 

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First testing on the range. Good time to test as considerable head win. Few shaft swaps seem to indicate SIM2 with the smoke green might give me the best results 

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Driver = Titleist TSi2 Hzrdus smoke 6.0

1 iron = Titleist U510 Hzrdus smoke 6.0
3 iron = Titleist U500 Hzrdus smoke 6.0
Irons = Wilson Staff FG59, DG S300 4-PW
Wedges = Bettinardi HLX 3.0 50*

                  Taylormade MG2 56* and 60*

Putter = Odyssey white hot pro 1WS 

Ball = Bridgestone Tour B RXS 

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I had both the SIM Max and the SIM2 Max. I used same shaft in both. For whatever reason, the SIM2 is far and away better. The original SIM never made my bag, I almost didn't test the SIM2 because how much I disliked the original. 

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4 hours ago, getitdaily said:

On course test is where it's at. You have sim setup close to how I did. Do you have the stock backweight on sim?

I certainly do. As others have mentioned in this post SIM 2 seems to be a little more neutral and not as fade biased as OG SIM 

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Driver = Titleist TSi2 Hzrdus smoke 6.0

1 iron = Titleist U510 Hzrdus smoke 6.0
3 iron = Titleist U500 Hzrdus smoke 6.0
Irons = Wilson Staff FG59, DG S300 4-PW
Wedges = Bettinardi HLX 3.0 50*

                  Taylormade MG2 56* and 60*

Putter = Odyssey white hot pro 1WS 

Ball = Bridgestone Tour B RXS 

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I play the SIM Max 9.0 and love the hell out of it. I'm curious if the SIM2/SIM2 MAX would be a significant difference.

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Just an update here on my end. Still playing the SIM OG and getting great results from it.  Only change I made to it is I removed the stock weight, added two lighter weights that total the weight of the original and have them spread apart as far as possible. I’ve found this really helped improve the forgiveness of the SIM. 

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1 hour ago, Taylormadehunter1 said:

Just an update here on my end. Still playing the SIM OG and getting great results from it.  Only change I made to it is I removed the stock weight, added two lighter weights that total the weight of the original and have them spread apart as far as possible. I’ve found this really helped improve the forgiveness of the SIM. 

Want to improve it more...put a 17g or 19g weight on the back. You may have to adjust length for swingweight, but heavier backweight makes a difference...

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18 minutes ago, spartyjeff said:

I am going through the same thing as the OP now. TM warrantied my sim 8* and my sim2 8* is on backorder. I'm really nervous I'm not going to like as much as my OG sim

 

It's just different. Sim2 has the 16 M series feel off the face...soft and springy...but it goes. The driver performs. Loft for loft the same, sim2 will spin just a touch more IF your strike location is not overly different. Sim2 is naturally straighter than sim, if you play sim with the stock backweight. 

 

I lean on the sliding weight in sim to be positioned to almost always guarantee a fade. Can't do that with sim2. Sim2 may have been perfect if the front weight was toe side rather than heel side. 

 

I sold sim2 that TM replaced my cracked sim with. I gave it a full go. Played it in 2 tournament rounds. It performs but I line up a bit left of center and fade the ball. Just a handful of drives that didn't cut. Working the ball with sim2 was more difficult than with sim.

 

Sim2 - great driver from a distance and forgiveness standpoint.

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On 6/7/2021 at 10:33 AM, philleeeeep said:

I play the SIM Max 9.0 and love the hell out of it. I'm curious if the SIM2/SIM2 MAX would be a significant difference.

 

My SIM2 9.0 plays a LOT like the 9.0 SIM Max I had last year.  I wouldn't change if you love it, it's a great driver head. 

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1 hour ago, spartyjeff said:

I am going through the same thing as the OP now. TM warrantied my sim 8* and my sim2 8* is on backorder. I'm really nervous I'm not going to like as much as my OG sim

 

Just got my sim2 in that TM sent for warranty on my sim that cracked.

 

different feel off the face of the sim2. Different feel. Alll good though. Nothing off putting. 
 

first round I played with it I was dead down the Center all day. Wind never touched it.

 

second round I had the lefts going with it. 
 

third round I messed with the weights. First round I had it at 200 gr. With the lefts I had going the second round I lightened it to 197gr. Was hitting it ok, strike moved low in the face, started to spin it up. Hit some god drives but not as flat as that first round. 
 

got it back to 200gr and have the loft set at 7.5*
 

Get it dialed in here for an up ping tournament. 
 

I wouldn’t be worried with it. It is a pretty neutral driver. Dead straight is always good 

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9 minutes ago, Kale_m said:

 Dead straight is always good 

Actually why I didn't like it. Dead straight means the fairway is 1/3 less wide. I like to hit a peeling fade and widen the fairway. I line up left center and hammer it. 

 

With sim2, a few too many that I lined up left center and then hit it dead straight or a tiny draw and left myself in the rough. Also tried to draw one and it went dead straight and left me behind a tree. 

 

Great performing driver but wish they would have made a head with the front weight toe side.

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