"Lag" my first step for powerful swing progression

[clevited]

1 minute ago, PureStrikes54 said:

I respect you for posting your swing but those swing mechanics and method you are promoting would lead to LESS not MORE speed. 

 

I'm no instructor, just a decent player, and a bunch of thing I see off the bat robbing you of speed:

Restricted flat hip turn, narrow arms with almost no pivot, excess forearm rotation which leads to the club being over set/laid off/out of position, right arm is well below the left and over bent, pressure trace has to be way off because of the lack of load into the right hip. 

 

At left arm parallel in the backswing Rory has turned 50 degrees further than you, has way more width, proper shoulder and hip tilts, proper load into the right hip, and the club in a position to shallow vs. steepen coming down. 

 

Honestly a couple online lessons with Monte or another reputable instructor could do wonders for your game. 

 

 

I agree that he has a lot to gain with some lessons and making it even more efficient than it is perceived to be.  The driving force would be that he has untapped potential and it isn't too late to realize some of that if the effort is made.  It is the state I am in.  While fast with less than ideal mechanics throughout the swing, I do some things right that allow me to achieve pretty above average velocity.  I am motivated by the fact that it could be even higher, and the fact that I can realize that potential more often and make use of it on the course.  Currently, I don't always have the timing to make use of it and it is frustrating.

[chipa]

2 minutes ago, PureStrikes54 said:

I respect you for posting your swing but those swing mechanics and method you are promoting would lead to LESS not MORE speed. 

 

I'm no instructor, just a decent player, and a bunch of thing I see off the bat robbing you of speed:

Restricted flat hip turn, narrow arms with almost no pivot, excess forearm rotation which leads to the club being over set/laid off/out of position, right arm is well below the left and over bent, pressure trace has to be way off because of the lack of load into the right hip. 

 

At left arm parallel in the backswing Rory has turned 50 degrees further than you, has way more width, proper shoulder and hip tilts, proper load into the right hip, and the club in a position to shallow vs. steepen coming down. 

 

 

I am not promoting my swing method and have said this many times including my post you reference.

 

I am only promoting feeling the resistance to the club turning over.

 

 

[pinhigh27]

2 minutes ago, chipa said:

 

I am not promoting my swing method and have said this many times including my post you reference.

 

I am only promoting feeling the resistance to the club turning over.

 

 

but why? you are so hung up on this 

[chipa]

2 minutes ago, clevited said:

 

I agree that he has a lot to gain with some lessons and making it even more efficient than it is perceived to be.

 

I have never promoted my swing method, don't believe what you hear buddy.

 

I am promoting feeling the resistance to the club rotating, which I termed "lag".

 

[chipa]

Just now, pinhigh27 said:

but why? you are so hung up on this 

 

What I am hung up is everybody telling me I'm promoting my swing method, good grief.

[clevited]

1 minute ago, chipa said:

 

I have never promoted my swing method, don't believe what you hear buddy.

 

I am promoting feeling the resistance to the club rotating, which I termed "lag".

 

 

Never made that claim, I agreed that with some lessons, you could be a rockstar distance wise, and probably lower that cap a lot.  Your feel could be a big piece of the puzzle but it is just one piece.  If you can manage to get all of the pieces working in harmony, under some better constraints, you will realize your potential. 

 

 

[chipa]

3 minutes ago, clevited said:

 

Never made that claim, I agreed that with some lessons, you could be a rockstar distance wise, and probably lower that cap a lot.  Your feel could be a big piece of the puzzle but it is just one piece.  If you can manage to get all of the pieces working in harmony, under some better constraints, you will realize your potential. 

 

 

 

I understand what you are saying. Remember the title of this thread is about lag and it being my proposed first step to having a powerful swing, not that my swing is pretty or that I hit it straight all the time.

 

The feeling of lag can be employed in any type of swing as it is employed in other sports like baseball and tennis.

Edited March 31, 2021 by chipa

[clevited]

Just now, chipa said:

 

I understand what you are saying. Remember the title of this thread is about lag and it being my proposed first step to having a powerful swing, not that my swing is pretty or that I hit it straight all the time.

 

Yes I get it.  I am just stating a thought out loud from observing your swing, you can take it or leave it.  People often do that in threads, aka create a tangent, or expand the conversation.  I just like to see naturally quick people like us, with less than ideal swings see our full potential.  Your first step is a good one conceptually imo, I would love to see where you end up once you address the rest.  

[PureStrikes54]

4 minutes ago, chipa said:

 

I am not promoting my swing method and have said this many times including my post you reference.

 

I am only promoting feeling the resistance to the club turning over.

 

 

 

Right, but that's like saying "let's put Concorde engines on a 737". You may gain some flash speed initially but there is nothing to support it being playable, usable speed. 

 

The funny thing is you are strong and athletic enough to probably swing it consistently 115+ PLAYABLE SPEED and be a really low cap. The "resistance to turning over/lag" piece is step 20 of 20 in a long line of things that need to happen. Please look into the lessons though. I honestly think you'd surprise yourself at how much efficient speed you could create just cleaning up a few backswing issues. 

[clevited]

Just now, PureStrikes54 said:

 

Right, but that's like saying "let's put Concorde engines on a 737". You may gain some flash speed initially but there is nothing to support it being playable, usable speed. 

 

The funny thing is you are strong and athletic enough to probably swing it consistently 115+ PLAYABLE SPEED and be a really low cap. The "resistance to turning over/lag" piece is step 20 of 20 in a long line of things that need to happen. Please look into the lessons though. I honestly think you'd surprise yourself at how much efficient speed you could create just cleaning up a few backswing issues. 

 

The OP isn't looking for help from anyone, he is looking to converse about a single IDEA, if I have interpreted it correctly.  I agree with his idea as being a key thing to a fast, athletic swing but it is only part of the puzzle.  I think the frame work is just as important as the athletic feel of creating that lag or athletic whipping action like throwing a baseball, or even a frisbee.  I think the OP knows this, but is just sound boarding his thoughts on the lag principle.  Its the right thought imo from a conceptual/athletic point of view as far as creating speed is concerned.

[GreatStrike]

47 minutes ago, PureStrikes54 said:

I respect you for posting your swing but those swing mechanics and method you are promoting would lead to LESS not MORE speed. 

 

I'm no instructor, just a decent player, and a bunch of thing I see off the bat robbing you of speed:

Restricted flat hip turn, narrow arms with almost no pivot, excess forearm rotation which leads to the club being over set/laid off/out of position, right arm is well below the left and over bent, pressure trace has to be way off because of the lack of load into the right hip. 

 

At left arm parallel in the backswing Rory has turned 50 degrees further than you, has way more width, proper shoulder and hip tilts, proper load into the right hip, and the club in a position to shallow vs. steepen coming down. 

 

Honestly a couple online lessons with Monte or another reputable instructor could do wonders for your game. 

 

 

Chipa - With a little help for your already awesome, powerful golf swing - there's no telling (literally) what your clubhead speed could move up to - you might be able to bust through 130 or even 140 mph. Since as you say, you're upper body is stronger than probably any tour pro, you just need a little tweaking on the technique.  Very exciting!   

 

 

 

Edited March 31, 2021 by Nail_It
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[GreatStrike]

4 hours ago, chipa said:

 

I understand what you are saying. Remember the title of this thread is about lag and it being my proposed first step to having a powerful swing, not that my swing is pretty or that I hit it straight all the time.

 

The feeling of lag can be employed in any type of swing as it is employed in other sports like baseball and tennis.

 

Chipa - Getting back on topic (and leaving the exhibition you are so eager to display of your enormous yet questionable clubhead speed and your superior upper body strength that you claim is probably stronger than any tour pro on the sidelines for awhile...at least temporarily), can you please put into words; (a) what you think 'lag' is, (b) how you think 'lag' is created and (c) what you think 'lag' feels like to a golfer that has a sound golf swing?

 

Also, can you share with us why 'lag' is your "proposed first step to having a powerful swing" and not the final step or end result that you are seeking?  

 

 

 

Edited March 31, 2021 by Nail_It
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[chipa]

I think this thread has run its course. My swing is nothing to copy, only try to feel lag and/or the clubhead as MLDT said.