Srixon Iron Length ZX7 I'm going crazy

[Ed McNicholas]

Ok can someone please help me out with this how exactly does measure their irons?  I received a set that was standard from a dealer on here and confirmed with srixon that what was used was "Standard".  So on a USGA length ruler everything measures 1/2 over.  Just to make sure I am not crazy i went to pga tour superstore and had them measure a club off the rack and again 1/2 over.   Included is a picture on a t square without a grip and i would call that 37.25.  So assuming this is standard to play an actual standard length not 1/2 over i would need to cut these down and inserd 6-8 grams each to get to a usga spec.  Also why do we have a spec if no one uses it?

[Tree Levino]

Yeah srixon measures long. TM just switched how they measure and you’d find their standard to be “standard” or even slightly less. 

[ARL67]

It used to be a grip was worth 1/4" but I use CP2 Wrap and Pro, and they are only 1/8".  If Srixon's specs say 37.0" for a 7i, then gripped it could be 37.25".  A company like Mizuno used to be very traditional, and also stating their measurements as ungripped, but even they have length-crept 1/4" in their shafts, presumably to chase the distance gains as stated by other OEM.

 

[jvincent]

2 hours ago, Ed McNicholas said:

 Also why do we have a spec if no one uses it?

 

 

The good thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from. 

 

As somebody who does there own club work I have the benefit of measuring my own way which is at least consistent.

 

Whenever I order clubs I usually order them a little long, grips off, and then cut to my preferred length.

[Ed McNicholas]

So after getting in touch with the head of the custom shop at srixon they told me that they measure to the bottom grove and not the bottom of the club and those measurements apear to be before gripping. So that all adds up to  .5 over usga if you were wondering.

[Cwebb]

1 hour ago, Ed McNicholas said:

So after getting in touch with the head of the custom shop at srixon they told me that they measure to the bottom grove and not the bottom of the club and those measurements apear to be before gripping. So that all adds up to  .5 over usga if you were wondering.

 

Yikes.  That's the weirdest thing I've heard a while

[Sparty4202]

This will help explain your question...unfortunately there is no industry standard. 

[clinkinfo]

We’ve talked about this for a while here.  There’s no standard at all, and every manufacturer measures slight different in my experience.  That’s why I get a chuckle when I see the anal retentive attention being applied to some of the spec sheets at times.  I have trouble even quoting a length anymore in a BST ad, I’d rather just show the ruler like you did and let someone else decide what they think it is.

[lefthack]

I love how golf has basically zero standards. Length, loft, lie, club number, it's all open.

 

Make a 37" long club with 38* of loft and call it a 6HL iron. That b**** will sell like crazy.

[youngun87]

so if I wanted to order the equivalent in Srixon to of 1/4" over standard from Mizuno what would I do? Standard length?

[Brooks_Cupcake]

1 hour ago, youngun87 said:

so if I wanted to order the equivalent in Srixon to of 1/4" over standard from Mizuno what would I do? Standard length?

0.25” over in Srixon is what you should order. They measure identical in length, both 37” grip off. Then add 3/16” for Tour Velvet Cap

[bjpjjs]

So if I want to order zx7 to replace my I500s and the 500's are 1.5 long do I order the ZX7 +1.25 from "standard"

 

???

[jjl]

FWIW, I ordered my ZX5's -.5", and they arrived .25" shorter than I expected, i.e. what was to me -.75".  It was frustrating.  

[denkea]

On 3/22/2021 at 5:13 PM, Ed McNicholas said:

So assuming this is standard to play an actual standard length not 1/2 over i would need to cut these down and inserd 6-8 grams each to get to a usga spec.

Which USGA spec are you refering to?  And why would you need 6-8 grams if you are only shortening a club 1/4" - 1/2"???

[Ed McNicholas]

14 minutes ago, denkea said:

Which USGA spec are you refering to?  And why would you need 6-8 grams if you are only shortening a club 1/4" - 1/2"???

It's just the way it worked out using the usga standard measuring gauge. And I use midsize grips. I used the maltby benchtop ruler. The clubs are measured to jdm spec which is not the base of the club but rather a point on the hosel so to get it to my spec it was half inch.  Also from my experience 2g in the hosel does not equal 1 sw since it is higher in the shaft.

[denkea]

23 hours ago, Ed McNicholas said:

Also from my experience 2g in the hosel does not equal 1 sw since it is higher in the shaft.

If you want to split hairs 2g in the short clubs won't equal 1 swing weight and 2 gram in a driver will get you more than one swing weight.  

Where else would you put 2g if not in the hosel?  (excluding using lead tape)

[Ed McNicholas]

1 hour ago, denkea said:

If you want to split hairs 2g in the short clubs won't equal 1 swing weight and 2 gram in a driver will get you more than one swing weight.  

Where else would you put 2g if not in the hosel?  (excluding using lead tape)

I just know the measured head weight was about 7 or 8g less then equivalent players iron head from tm.

[m5power]

i found this to be odd and bothersome as well. from my own big box store research after comparing all the big brands:

 

titleist, callaway, and TM all have the same length

 

srixon, cobra and mizuno (as of the last couple of cycles) are 1/2" longer than the aforementioned titleist, cally, TM.

 

I'm average height and can't hit anything that is longer than standard length. for me, going 1/2" longer on irons isn't an option, so when shopping for irons, I only consider TM, Titleist, and Callaway

 

 

Edited February 27, 2023 by m5power

[Rockstar Golf]

Srixon uses a soft metal in the bottom of the hosel that is exactly 1/2” deep. It drills out with little to no effort at all. Every shaft shaft set up I tried came out 1/2” long. I removed this material and they match up with every shaft I’ve used in TM, Mizuno, PXG, etc. I think it’s some kind of swingweight technique, but it didn’t make a difference once removed. Hope this helps or alleviates panic. 

[Masse1369]

It depends on what grips are ordered with Srixon. They will be +1/4" to +3/8" depending on the grip cap.  I have had 3 sets of MKii, ZX5, ZX7 and ZX4 and just got another set of ZX4 that I haven't measured yet.  The first 3 were 37 1/8" (7 iron) to the end of the shaft on a Mitchell bench ruler.

[Ripken08]

21 minutes ago, Masse1369 said:

It depends on what grips are ordered with Srixon. They will be +1/4" to +3/8" depending on the grip cap.  I have had 3 sets of MKii, ZX5, ZX7 and ZX4 and just got another set of ZX4 that I haven't measured yet.  The first 3 were 37 1/8" (7 iron) to the end of the shaft on a Mitchell bench ruler.

So the OP is freaking out over 1/8" lol  Paralysis by analysis.

 

You're going to have 1/4" variability in just gripping the club every time.  Just go play golf!

[cmatthews77]

On 3/22/2021 at 6:01 PM, ARL67 said:

It used to be a grip was worth 1/4" but I use CP2 Wrap and Pro, and they are only 1/8".  If Srixon's specs say 37.0" for a 7i, then gripped it could be 37.25".  A company like Mizuno used to be very traditional, and also stating their measurements as ungripped, but even they have length-crept 1/4" in their shafts, presumably to chase the distance gains as stated by other OEM.

 

Mizuno is a 1/4” long now over prior “stock” because they switched fitting heads from 6i to 7i to be like everyone else. Rather than have to send out and redo all the fitters shaft inventory they just changed stock length by 1/4”. So basically it’s just 7i heads in prior 6i shafts. 

[stuboy1]

On 2/20/2023 at 8:32 PM, Rockstar Golf said:

Srixon uses a soft metal in the bottom of the hosel that is exactly 1/2” deep. It drills out with little to no effort at all. Every shaft shaft set up I tried came out 1/2” long. I removed this material and they match up with every shaft I’ve used in TM, Mizuno, PXG, etc. I think it’s some kind of swingweight technique, but it didn’t make a difference once removed. Hope this helps or alleviates panic. 

What specifically did you do to remove it? Does it need drilling out with a metal work drill bit?

 

I just got some lovely srixons but they have project X 6.5 (were advertised as 6.0) and are at least a half inch over, so aren't easy to swing for my slower speed. Hoping to put some DG S300's in there if I can play at normal length.

[Tree Levino]

On 2/21/2023 at 9:07 AM, cmatthews77 said:

Mizuno is a 1/4” long now over prior “stock” because they switched fitting heads from 6i to 7i to be like everyone else. Rather than have to send out and redo all the fitters shaft inventory they just changed stock length by 1/4”. So basically it’s just 7i heads in prior 6i shafts. 

So if you go test mizuno in big box you’re testing every shaft soft stepped and the soft stepped shafts are actually ssx2?! 

[davidw88]

I have a set of zx5 and had zx7 and both sets were ordered 3/4 over and they were different lengths to each other 

[driveandputtmachine]

Ping is the only company that I have seen that all orders I have seen were the same.

 

Mizuno, Cally, Srixon, TM all I have seen orders for the same length were different.  That could very well be luck on Pings part, who knows.

 

As someone else in this thread said I order everything with grips off and over standard length(I go 1 full inch over because I play my short irons long) and then cut down myself.  Between companies measuring differently and the fast assembly line processes I know I will want to change them and would even if I played irons standard length.

 

 

[Orchardist]

The golf industry is its own enemy.  Not having something so simple as an industry shaft length measuring system is and has been beyond comprehension.  But they will market the hell out of you to get a precision fitting.  Of course the assembled length you were fit for won't be the same as the shaft swapping fitting you just went through because they don't build irons that screw together.

[dabohammer]

4 hours ago, Orchardist said:

The golf industry is its own enemy.  Not having something so simple as an industry shaft length measuring system is and has been beyond comprehension.  But they will market the hell out of you to get a precision fitting.  Of course the assembled length you were fit for won't be the same as the shaft swapping fitting you just went through because they don't build irons that screw together.

100%. 
 

a lot of industries are getting like this, but it makes it very confusing and irritating for the end users.
 

I’m not a perfectionist but I like to be accurate. Might just start ordering everything grips off like suggested above