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Which model are most of the callaway tour guys playing? I have seen it reported that Rahm has been playing both? Callaway releases this year are so confusing. 

Callaway Mavrik TD 9* VENTUS BLK 6
Titleist TSI 15* VENTUS BLK 7
Titleist U500 2 GD DI
Grindworks MB 101A PW-4 DG TI
Titleist Vokey 51*, 56*, 60* DG TI
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I want a Speed LS TD.. lol.. 

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Driver: Titleist TSi3 Ventus blue 6x

3 wood: Titleist Tsi2 15 Ventus blue 7x

& Wood: Titleist TSi2 Ventus Red 9X
Taylormade Gapr low 2 ventus blue 9x
4-PW Cobra king forged CB KBS $ Taper 130 X flex
Wedges 50, 54, 60 Cleveland ZIPCORE
PUTTER; LAB DF2.1
BALL; Bridgestone BX, OR Taylomade TP5x PIX

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28 minutes ago, BogeyTime13 said:

Anyone have any idea what the TD heads are going to cost when Callaway releases them?

I was quoted $650. 

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Callaway Epic Speed TD 10.5° driver Tensei Pro White 1K 60S

Callaway Epic Flash 15° fairway wood Tensei Pro Blue 70S

Callaway Epic Flash 18° hybrid MMT Hybrid 80S

Callaway Epic Flash 21° hybrid MMT Hybrid 90S

Mizuno JPX 921 Forged 4-PW & GW Modus3 Tour 120 S flex

Mizuno T20 Raw Wedge 50-07 Modus3 Tour 120 S flex

Mizuno T20 Raw Wedges 55-13 and 60-06 Modus3 125 Wedge

Scotty Cameron Phantom X 5.5

Scotty Cameron Special Select Newport

Titleist Pro V1

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8 hours ago, SwooshLT said:

 

 

You doing one of them 🔷🔷🔷️?

No, I’m settled with Speed. 

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Callaway Epic Speed TD 10.5° driver Tensei Pro White 1K 60S

Callaway Epic Flash 15° fairway wood Tensei Pro Blue 70S

Callaway Epic Flash 18° hybrid MMT Hybrid 80S

Callaway Epic Flash 21° hybrid MMT Hybrid 90S

Mizuno JPX 921 Forged 4-PW & GW Modus3 Tour 120 S flex

Mizuno T20 Raw Wedge 50-07 Modus3 Tour 120 S flex

Mizuno T20 Raw Wedges 55-13 and 60-06 Modus3 125 Wedge

Scotty Cameron Phantom X 5.5

Scotty Cameron Special Select Newport

Titleist Pro V1

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I ordered a Speed TD last Friday through our clubs Callaway rep. Same cost of retail ($529)

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#1: Callaway Epic Speed Triple Diamond 9'- Ventus Black 6X 

#3: Ping G400 Stretch 13' - HZRDUS HC Yellow 75g 6.5

3H: Titleist TSi3 20* (TI) - Motore 8.8 X

I: National Custom Works CB/MB DW - MMT 125 TX

W: Titleist SM8 Raw 56.14F & 60.14K - TT X100 TI Black Onyx

P: SC Newport 2 Centershafted P r o t o t y p e

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On 4/7/2021 at 5:18 PM, noodle3872 said:

No, I’m settled with Speed. 

DId you think the "speed" was more forgiving than the TSI3? I did but that was with only one fit session. Did you do anything in terms of "rat glue" in the head or what settings did you end up with? Did you try the "TB" shaft with this head, if so results? Thanks as always...

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13 hours ago, Wardonation said:

DId you think the "speed" was more forgiving than the TSI3? I did but that was with only one fit session. Did you do anything in terms of "rat glue" in the head or what settings did you end up with? Did you try the "TB" shaft with this head, if so results? Thanks as always...

After numerous sessions hitting Diamana TB, I have placed an order for a TB 70 for my driver and TB 80 for my 3 wood. The extra weight smoothed out my swing tempo while gaining 2 mph ballspeed with driver and tightening my dispersion. 
 

Speed is more forgiving that TSi3 by a decent margin in my testing. 
 

I have my Speed head weighing in at 201G (no adapter). Rear weight is 9G and there is a squirt of hotmelt just in front of the weight port. 

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Callaway Epic Speed TD 10.5° driver Tensei Pro White 1K 60S

Callaway Epic Flash 15° fairway wood Tensei Pro Blue 70S

Callaway Epic Flash 18° hybrid MMT Hybrid 80S

Callaway Epic Flash 21° hybrid MMT Hybrid 90S

Mizuno JPX 921 Forged 4-PW & GW Modus3 Tour 120 S flex

Mizuno T20 Raw Wedge 50-07 Modus3 Tour 120 S flex

Mizuno T20 Raw Wedges 55-13 and 60-06 Modus3 125 Wedge

Scotty Cameron Phantom X 5.5

Scotty Cameron Special Select Newport

Titleist Pro V1

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13 hours ago, JohnnyCallaway said:

Triple Diamond STD is Neutral (Also has a modified Cyclone Aero shape) 
Triple Diamond LS is Neutral (Lower Spin) (No Cyclone Aero shaping)
Triple Diamond DS is Draw Biased (will not go to retail) 

Fair to say that the CG placement on is closer to retail but the heads have a different CC and head shape. 450CC on the diamond heads. 

The top line on the diamond heads has a fade look but in all honesty they sit pretty square. 

The best way to look at it is this. The diamond heads across the board are very well suited for players that like workability, not super low spin rates and hit the middle of the face more often them not. Think of them like a forged cavity back. Plenty of forgiveness, long enough, good spin to work the ball, moderate forgiveness etc. 

I see that you are playing Speed TD.  How does it compare with flight and spin to standard Speed?

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So is there a Speed LS now? Or is that the 💎💎💎 models?

 

If so how would a Speed LS compare to the Max LS?? Mainly a shape difference?

 

I haven’t really had time to test any of these Callaway drivers this year and still pretty happy with the Flash SZ but I like the idea of improving sound while finding a lower spin profile that isn’t too low 

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Epic Speed 9 degree (8°)- Hzrdus Yellow Handcrafted
Epic Flash Sub Zero 3W (16°)- Hzrdus Smoke
Apex 3 (20°) & 4 (23°) Hybrid- Kuro Kage
'18 Apex MB (8-PW) and '19 Apex Pro (5-7i) Nippon Pro Modus 105 s
MD3 Black 50°, 54° (S Grind), 58° (PM Grind)
Toulon Design Odyssey Chicago (with Atlanta and Las Vegas rotations sometimes)
Ball: Chromesoft X Triple Track or Bridgestone Tour BXS 
 

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23 hours ago, wdaig1 said:

I see that you are playing Speed TD.  How does it compare with flight and spin to standard Speed?

💎💎💎 gave me about 200-300 more RPM consistently than LS. and its easier for me to turn over oddly enough. I went with a different weight set up going with an 6G weight up front and a 12G weight in the back. I haven't hit a driver this well in a while. 1K in this head is a monster, thinking of going to the 50TX at 46 for hits and giggles lol

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Just got my Tour Issue Speed TD on Friday, took it to the range Friday afternoon and got a round in with it on Saturday, got it paired with the 70x 1K shaft. Been using a Tour Issue 8.5 Epic Flash TD for the last two years with a 70x Diamana DF. The Speed TD def has a different feel than the Flash TD though could be a combination of the shaft also. Not sure I was a big fan of the 1K and will likely not play it going forward. Hoping to get on trackman in the next day or so and compare the numbers, the Speed TD feels solid and looks good, I actually really like how the alignment aid stands out more. 

 

I never really gave the Mavrik a try because I really love the Flash TD but I did hit a Mavrik a couple times, to me I think the Speed is closer to the Mavrik in terms of feel than the Flash...just my 2 cents.

 

 

Driver: Titleist TSi3 9* w/Aldila Rogue White 130 70TX

3 Wood: Titleist TSi 2 15* w/Fujikura Motore X F1 7X

5 Wood: Titleist TSi 2 18* w/Aldila Rogue White 130 80 TX

Titleist T-200 Utility 3 iron w/Project X 6.5 Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 90

Irons: Ping iBlades 4-PW w/Project X 6.5

Wedges: SM8 Raw 52F & 58T grind w/Project X 6.0

 

Putter: Custom Slighter Tacoma

 

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19 minutes ago, adam2883 said:

Just got my Tour Issue Speed TD on Friday, took it to the range Friday afternoon and got a round in with it on Saturday, got it paired with the 70x 1K shaft. Been using a Tour Issue 8.5 Epic Flash TD for the last two years with a 70x Diamana DF. The Speed TD def has a different feel than the Flash TD though could be a combination of the shaft also. Not sure I was a big fan of the 1K and will likely not play it going forward. Hoping to get on trackman in the next day or so and compare the numbers, the Speed TD feels solid and looks good, I actually really like how the alignment aid stands out more. 

 

I never really gave the Mavrik a try because I really love the Flash TD but I did hit a Mavrik a couple times, to me I think the Speed is closer to the Mavrik in terms of feel than the Flash...just my 2 cents.

 

 

How forgiving does it feel?

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1 hour ago, Wardonation said:

How forgiving does it feel?

First impressions are that it might be a little more forgiving than the Flash TD. I plan on going out this afternoon to hit some balls and going to do more comparisons with the DF in both heads to get a better feel for it. Currently has a 8g in both the front and back

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Driver: Titleist TSi3 9* w/Aldila Rogue White 130 70TX

3 Wood: Titleist TSi 2 15* w/Fujikura Motore X F1 7X

5 Wood: Titleist TSi 2 18* w/Aldila Rogue White 130 80 TX

Titleist T-200 Utility 3 iron w/Project X 6.5 Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 90

Irons: Ping iBlades 4-PW w/Project X 6.5

Wedges: SM8 Raw 52F & 58T grind w/Project X 6.0

 

Putter: Custom Slighter Tacoma

 

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On 4/12/2021 at 6:53 AM, JohnnyCallaway said:

💎💎💎 gave me about 200-300 more RPM consistently than LS. and its easier for me to turn over oddly enough. I went with a different weight set up going with an 6G weight up front and a 12G weight in the back. I haven't hit a driver this well in a while. 1K in this head is a monster, thinking of going to the 50TX at 46 for hits and giggles lol

Great info.  Sometimes a little more spin is not a bad thing trying to get it optimum for your own swing.  I have a fitter that has a head coming for me.  I play Tensei Orange in an Epic Flash SZ that I still hit well.  I always experiment with new drivers if I feel they can fit my game.  I am assuming weight back a little probably added more spin and forgiveness too?  The plus with a good fitter is he can tweak it just like I want it.

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On 4/13/2021 at 3:34 PM, wdaig1 said:

Great info.  Sometimes a little more spin is not a bad thing trying to get it optimum for your own swing.  I have a fitter that has a head coming for me.  I play Tensei Orange in an Epic Flash SZ that I still hit well.  I always experiment with new drivers if I feel they can fit my game.  I am assuming weight back a little probably added more spin and forgiveness too?  The plus with a good fitter is he can tweak it just like I want it.

Yes the weight in back was a huge part of this. It put my average spin in the 2300 RPM range at about 13 to 14 launch. I honestly haven't hit a driver this consistently well in a long time. Center strikes are up to about 8 or 9 outta 10 on course. Thats huge for me, I can play well from there

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On 4/10/2021 at 4:57 PM, JohnnyCallaway said:

Triple Diamond STD is Neutral (Also has a modified Cyclone Aero shape) 
Triple Diamond LS is Neutral (Lower Spin) (No Cyclone Aero shaping)
Triple Diamond DS is Draw Biased (will not go to retail) 

Fair to say that the CG placement on is closer to retail but the heads have a different CC and head shape. 450CC on the diamond heads. 

The top line on the diamond heads has a fade look but in all honesty they sit pretty square. 

The best way to look at it is this. The diamond heads across the board are very well suited for players that like workability, not super low spin rates and hit the middle of the face more often them not. Think of them like a forged cavity back. Plenty of forgiveness, long enough, good spin to work the ball, moderate forgiveness etc. 

Johnny, I’m playing the retail speed now and picked up 2 mph club head speed. Just ordered a 💎💎💎 LS do you think I should switch the order to just a standard 💎💎💎 To keep the aeroshapping?

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