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Just checking with you experts.   My friends son has a high swing speed (tour level speed, ex college baseball player).   I came across a set of X100's and swapped out his 7 iron to test.   He claims he hits it higher than the S300 that he was playing prior.

 

I know his swing will most likely be the culprit.... but wanted to know if there were any other tendencies with X100 that might contribute to the high flight???

 

Also if you have had this issue with X100, what shafts are a good alternative for a high swing speed player.

 

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Chances are his move caused the club to deloft with the S300 and now that effect isn’t as prevalent leading to higher flight with the X100. Keep in mind both shafts are made to deliver the same basic

Thats not unusual and the reason is FEEL of flex... Feel of flex is a TRIGGER for how we will load and release the shaft, and that has become kind of common knowledge now after AUTOFLEX came to the

Chances are his move caused the club to deloft with the S300 and now that effect isn’t as prevalent leading to higher flight with the X100. Keep in mind both shafts are made to deliver the same basic flight pattern for different swing speeds or types. I honestly think with a bit more time with the X100 he will get to where he can bring the flight back down. It’s a matter of getting used to the shaft holding up better to his swing speed. 

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Are the swingweights the same?

The shafts weigh the same and same rib distances, but the x100 has a shorter and stiffer tip.

If the SW is lighter in the x100 he could be flipping a bit more at impact causing the higher launch.

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7 hours ago, magnito1969 said:

Just checking with you experts.   My friends son has a high swing speed (tour level speed, ex college baseball player).   I came across a set of X100's and swapped out his 7 iron to test.   He claims he hits it higher than the S300 that he was playing prior.

 

I know his swing will most likely be the culprit.... but wanted to know if there were any other tendencies with X100 that might contribute to the high flight???

 

Also if you have had this issue with X100, what shafts are a good alternative for a high swing speed player.

 

Thanks!


Thats not unusual and the reason is FEEL of flex...

Feel of flex is a TRIGGER for how we will load and release the shaft, and that has become kind of common knowledge now after AUTOFLEX came to the marked, but it was part of my DIY driver tune up since 2013....

When feel of flex becomes stronger than what the player is used to or his feel preference, he will speed up his tempo, load it harder during transition, and do his best to make a lag and bend during down swing so the shaft releases right.....it messes up his timing and delivery of the club...

Going the other way (use Autoflex as the extreme), a shaft that clearly bends and loads will be swung using swing tech and timing, NOT power, so ive been using flex and shaft profile to TRIGGER the players swing into a tempo, float , balance and timing that improves his impact and delivery of the head to the ball.

A launch monitor test would tell how his delivery changed, it could be on every thing....

Shafts dont really make a difference to ball flight directly, but by the way it FORCES the player to swing the club, because its always the player who have to adjust, the club "is as it is", so the player will always adjust if he knows it or not, his body will know due to the feed back it gets, and the body adjust automatically for the next stroke to "improve" the outcome....

This goes for the better or worse, and thats why some trial and error is needed to find what direction we should go.

A simple thing like the shaft butt length difference thats 2 inch is enough
If we dont compensate with build up tape on the steps, the front part of the grip has more taper shape (smaller diameter) on S300 vs X100 so his lowest hand now have a larger diameter even with the same grip. For a grooved player, details like this is important....what they are used to is often what works the best, even if specs might look odd.

Shafts is Weight, Feel and Dispersion, and here it sounds like feel is off and trigger him into a swing not good for him.

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Thanks for all the knowledge!

 

BirdieBob, yes both were the same swingweight D3

 

Howard_Jones.  Thanks for your expertise as well.  I try to let other "ranger ricks" know that everyone swings, delivers and "Feels" differently... which in turn attributes to the performance they get out of different shafts, no matter what marketing might tell you.

 

Thanks again for your insight.

 

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52 minutes ago, magnito1969 said:

Thanks for all the knowledge!

 

BirdieBob, yes both were the same swingweight D3

 

Howard_Jones.  Thanks for your expertise as well.  I try to let other "ranger ricks" know that everyone swings, delivers and "Feels" differently... which in turn attributes to the performance they get out of different shafts, no matter what marketing might tell you.

 

Thanks again for your insight.

 


Yes you got it right, if you want more details, just follow this link and scroll down to post #8 (numbers is gone after the last update of the forum), but you will find the term VISUAL FITTING in the first few lines of the text.

Its a fitting concept i developed my own, and it takes advantage of BODY LANGUAGE to SEE a good or bad fit and whats the matter if its wrong, and ive used it for both professional PGA and LPGA players, PGA swing trainers and elite amateur players.

We DONT need advanced tools at all to make a good shaft fitting, we only have to judge the players swing with our own eyes (i tell you what to look for and how to judge it) but a video helps to judge "before and after". Then we focus on impact and the players own feedback about how it feels in term of weight, balance and flex, from take away to impact.

Ball flight is really a head issue, but we will SEE the error when the player swing X100 vs S300, his swing want be the same, and he is adjusting in a direction NOT beneficial for him, so he might be better of with a different profile, and be aware of that Dynamic Gold as R, S and X is 3 DIFFERENT shaft profiles, not only flex. They are all marked as "low launch" but the EI profile tells us its 3 different models, sold as one.....so my idea is still the same, FEEL is wrong for him in X100, so if a soft stepped version is available make him try that before you look at something else.

Normally a softer flex and longer tip section means higher launch, but that depend on what the feedback from the shaft does to the players swing, so dont be surprised if a soft stepped X 100 feels right and launch lower and as it should.

Tech specs has never been fully compatible whit humans and how we respond to changes.

The DIY has a focus on drivers, but is the same for all clubs EXCEPT for how the club head itself works on drivers vs irons and wedges...
 

 

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I would double check the differences on a launch monitor. If dispersion is better with X100, then bending the lofts a degree or two stronger can bring launch down.

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10 hours ago, magnito1969 said:

Thanks for all the knowledge!

 

BirdieBob, yes both were the same swingweight D3

 

Howard_Jones.  Thanks for your expertise as well.  I try to let other "ranger ricks" know that everyone swings, delivers and "Feels" differently... which in turn attributes to the performance they get out of different shafts, no matter what marketing might tell you.

 

Thanks again for your insight.

 

 

Ok, the only other area to check is the loft.  Since you reshafted there could be a bit of change to the loft that occurred.

 

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