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You'll also notice a ton of shafts on BST that are tipped excessively that people can't game. Can't count the amount of Ventus with TM adapters I've seen up for sale as stock tipping is 1". Guys swing

The other thing that needs to be said is the BST here is hardly a good gauge of the market. It's like going to the used section of a high end car dealership and being like "Wow, sure seems like everyo

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3 hours ago, LowAndLeft32 said:

I’ve never tried or had a clubfitter say that I need to try an X stiff driver shaft. I know my swing speed probably doesn't qualify at 104mph. But, reduced spin and more stability potential haven’t ever been mentioned by a fitter. For reference spin is around 2750mph. But then again the fitters in my area are terrible at best. I have messed around with DG 120 X100 iron shafts even though my teacher said that was way to much shaft for me. I actually didn't really notice much performance difference from my s300 gamers. 

 

Shafts are more than speed, as peeps have stated here - tempo matters as well as the shaft profile - check out the butt, midsection and tip. That should help 

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Been playing 6.0 HZRDUS shaft in driver for as long as I can remember. Current in a SIM2 8° head turned down to 7,25°, still getting about 2750 spin and often over 40° land angle. 105 SS and about +5 AoA. Should I try a lighter X shaft?

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The vast majority of WRX members are people that love the game of golf, and more often than not are good-very good at golf. The random golfer that plays a few times a season has probably never even heard of GolfWRX. The BST on here is definitely not a good representation of the golfing public. It’s also part ego, or could be players that try out an x-stiff shaft then move into a stiff, and sell the xstiff. There is no industry standard for flex as well, some manufacturers x-stiff that is not tipped are surprisingly smooth and load easily. 

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Driver: 105-108 SS

Violent transition 

High launch, high spin swing

I like heavy SW

 

Old driver: Mizuno JPX 900. Had a Fuji Evo II in it, R flex. Whippy as hell. 

Put a Tensei White 70g in S flex in it - lowered spin and launch considerably but felt easy to load. That driver is pretty high launching, no matter the adapter setting, so I had to get a heavier shaft unless I wanted moon balls. Was still hitting it too high and spinny- every drive plugged. I know it’s a swing issue. 
 

Now have TEE EXS 220 driver, 9,5 deg. with Hzrdus Yellow 6.5 X. 
Wanted the 10,5, not available anymore. Took a risk with the 6.5 shaft. For the first time ever, my drives roll out. I‘ve gained carry distance, too, so it works for me. Also, hook-proof, which is s big deal for me. 

I might try an S flex just to make sure, because the 6.5 feels a little boardy, but that might be the profile?

 

What I’m saying is, it depends. Wasn’t an ego move for me. I wanted lower ballflight and spin, and it worked. 

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105 on average, can get up to 107 when fully warmed up and if on course where I have room to miss.

 

Diamana 'ahina, DF and Graphite Design TP have been in play in recent years, all in 60X.   I have a pretty aggressive release and every 6S shaft I've tried has felt loose. 

 

I've gamed 7S shafts but I lose some ball speed due to the higher weight.

 

FYI I'm 51 and my ball speed (and average drive) has increased since I was 30 - I'm in better shape and have a better understanding of what swing works for me.  Don't just assume your swing speed will go down...

 

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Probably the reason you see lots of Xstiff shaft for sale on the BST..

 

Guys buy them and then can’t load them ...

 

 

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I think it’s important to know what works for you. I don’t do well with shafts under about 3.3 torque and I prefer a higher kick point. I also don’t do well with counter balance shafts. So a lot of times a 70-75 gram shaft with be 3.4 torque in the stiff and 2.9 in the X. I’d go the route of tipping the stiff a little to match my 110 clubhead speed. The same shaft in the 60-65 gram might be 3.3 in the X and I’d go that way if I went the lighter route. 

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16 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Well.  I can see 123ish on good days.  But I’d say 118 average. I’m not 120 plus every day. It’s a crap shoot how loose I am when I wake up anymore.  
 

but honestly I don’t think speed is the determination you should rely on.  I’m tall and swing smoother than some. I can play an R flex shaft if I want.  I’m playing the TB in 70x with only 1/2 inch tip trim.  Which is basically none. It plays like an S to me. High launch and doesn’t need to be gone after to load. But yet super stable at impact. Highly recommend the shaft IF you need help launching it for max carry. I’m not a ballon ball hitter , most everything I hit is flatter than most.   So this shaft really upped my carry numbers.  

 

I agree, swingspeed is not a great criteria for flex selection.  Adding contrast to your info, around age 50, I was at 111mph.  I'm now 57 and have lost a bit of speed thanks to age, and maybe a bad back and left knee.  

 

I am not a smooth swinger.  I've found I get better results with stiffer shafts, generally in X territory, even as I age (in driver, anyway).  Put an R11s in play last couple rounds, with a ProtoPype 80X, and had a good day off the tee.

 

I'm guessing most folks wouldn't put me in that, but results count.  🙂

 

I have an additional complicating factor, the above R11s is 43.25" or 43.5", (can't remember off top of my head) at D6 swingweight.  It's certainly not the same level of Xstiff you'd get with a 44.5" install.

 

There's X, and then there's X.  <shrug>

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Hybrid:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour 2h, NV105 S

Irons grab bag:  2-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4 (reshaft pending); 1-PW Golden Ram TW282 or Vibration Matched Golden Rams, RIP Tour 115 R (coin flipping for the reshaft project); 1i & 3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S
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The Ever Changing Bag!  A lot of mixing and matching
Driver: TM Original One 11.5* set to 10*, Aldila RIP Alpha 80 X
Hybrid:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour 2h, NV105 S

Irons grab bag:  2-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4 (reshaft pending); 1-PW Golden Ram TW282 or Vibration Matched Golden Rams, RIP Tour 115 R (coin flipping for the reshaft project); 1i & 3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S
Wedge grab bag:  Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, DGS400; Scratch 8620 DD 53*, SteelFiber i125 S; Ram Watson Scoring System 55*, DGX 7i shaft; Ram TG-898, DGS400; Ram TG-898, NV105 S; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS300; Ram 1982 Commemorative Nickel 58*, Dynamic S; Ram TW282, DGS; Ram TW276, DGS; Ram Troon Grind 58*, Dynamic S; Maltby Design 60* mid sole, DGS400; Maltby Design 60* mid sole, NV105 S
Putter:  Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34"
Balls: Wilson Staff Duo Professional or TaylorMade TP5

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Butt soft x flex guy here

 

Between S and X... really depends on brand and design

 

107-109mph fwiw

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I prefer the “boardier” feel the X gives me.  I hit it plenty long enough that giving up 5-10 yards for feel and accuracy is worth it.

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24 minutes ago, wobgon said:

I find it interesting how many guys play x stiff in their driver but never consider x stiff in their irons.

 

It's not all that surprising.  Not everyone has the same gap or ratio between their driver and iron swingspeeds.

 

Guy I met from another golf forum had an identical driver swingspeed as I did at the time we met.  Our 5 iron swingspeeds were 8-10 mph different (he was faster).

 

The Ever Changing Bag!  A lot of mixing and matching
Driver: TM Original One 11.5* set to 10*, Aldila RIP Alpha 80 X
Hybrid:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour 2h, NV105 S

Irons grab bag:  2-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4 (reshaft pending); 1-PW Golden Ram TW282 or Vibration Matched Golden Rams, RIP Tour 115 R (coin flipping for the reshaft project); 1i & 3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S
Wedge grab bag:  Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, DGS400; Scratch 8620 DD 53*, SteelFiber i125 S; Ram Watson Scoring System 55*, DGX 7i shaft; Ram TG-898, DGS400; Ram TG-898, NV105 S; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS300; Ram 1982 Commemorative Nickel 58*, Dynamic S; Ram TW282, DGS; Ram TW276, DGS; Ram Troon Grind 58*, Dynamic S; Maltby Design 60* mid sole, DGS400; Maltby Design 60* mid sole, NV105 S
Putter:  Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34"
Balls: Wilson Staff Duo Professional or TaylorMade TP5

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3 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

 

It's not all that surprising.  Not everyone has the same gap or ratio between their driver and iron swingspeeds.

 

Guy I met from another golf forum had an identical driver swingspeed as I did at the time we met.  Our 5 iron swingspeeds were 8-10 mph different (he was faster).

 

I have to say, I have been on this forum for 13 years and have absolutely no idea what anyone else's swing speed is.

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7 minutes ago, wobgon said:

I have to say, I have been on this forum for 13 years and have absolutely no idea what anyone else's swing speed is.

 

That's surprising.  There are plenty of WRX members who post their fitting info, at minimum.  Then there are the random mentions...

 

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The Ever Changing Bag!  A lot of mixing and matching
Driver: TM Original One 11.5* set to 10*, Aldila RIP Alpha 80 X
Hybrid:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour 2h, NV105 S

Irons grab bag:  2-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4 (reshaft pending); 1-PW Golden Ram TW282 or Vibration Matched Golden Rams, RIP Tour 115 R (coin flipping for the reshaft project); 1i & 3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S
Wedge grab bag:  Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, DGS400; Scratch 8620 DD 53*, SteelFiber i125 S; Ram Watson Scoring System 55*, DGX 7i shaft; Ram TG-898, DGS400; Ram TG-898, NV105 S; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS300; Ram 1982 Commemorative Nickel 58*, Dynamic S; Ram TW282, DGS; Ram TW276, DGS; Ram Troon Grind 58*, Dynamic S; Maltby Design 60* mid sole, DGS400; Maltby Design 60* mid sole, NV105 S
Putter:  Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34"
Balls: Wilson Staff Duo Professional or TaylorMade TP5

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Around 110 with driver, moderate tempo. Due to tempo and preferring the feel I’ve always played S shafts, but also been a bit of a sprayer in the longer clubs. 
 

Drank the koolaid on the Ventus hype and bought a blue 8x hybrid shaft without testing. Now Ventus has infested the top end of my bag. Not sure if it’s the Ventus magic or X flex or both but there is a noticeable dispersion improvement (could never play the Black though)

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I’m only around 105 but play a 60 Tx Xt kurokage.  It still kicks well but the Uber stiff tip helps me alot. I laugh at people that tip this shaft too, if you look at the bend profile all they’re doing is weakening the tip.  But saying they tipped the shaft 2 inches makes them feel stronger I guess like the ventus  lol .

 

I did have a rogue 125 60 Tx that was too mas  macho for my puny CHS.

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28 minutes ago, brutusflash said:

I’m only around 105 but play a 60 Tx Xt kurokage.  It still kicks well but the Uber stiff tip helps me alot. I laugh at people that tip this shaft too, if you look at the bend profile all they’re doing is weakening the tip.  But saying they tipped the shaft 2 inches makes them feel stronger I guess like the ventus  lol .

 

I did have a rogue 125 60 Tx that was too mas  macho for my puny CHS.

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The XT is a killer shaft, but that said, most EI profiles are meant to exaggerate the curves so as to better visualize what the bend profile looks like. That means that what appears to be rise in stiffness towards the tip, something that tipping would indeed actually soften, is actually just *less* of a loss. Tipping still strengthens these shafts, just a little less so than shafts without the "rise" in stiffness. Rory long played his XTS (just an XT with the KK Silver paint job) tipped 1.5" to 2" and actually appeared to test a version with much less tipping to increase spin when he was struggling with the SIM. 

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I could believe tipping it 2 inches would stiffen the xt, and I don’t know how far up the stiffer tip section goes into the shaft.  Buy I agree that all shafts weaken from the but down and the feel , “kick” comes down to the varied ratios, materials the manufacturer uses.  I still find it interesting how when testing shafts in 4 or 5 swings whether I like it or not, takes me much longer with iron shafts to decide.

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