P770 vs P790

[freddancer12]

Trying to decide to go to next, my current irons are Callaway x-forged 18s with NS Pro 105 stiff. I like the look of the P770 but I want something with a touch more forgiveness like the P790.  

Edited April 1, 2021 by freddancer12

[nikeblades00]

 I'm gaming p770s currently. I'm also very familiar with the p790s as one of my main playing partners is gaming them. The 790s are noticeably more forgiving, and a touch stronger lofted. Both are great depending on your preference. My buddy is actually a legit scratch player with his 790s and is a couple strokes better than me. So don't go based off handicap. It's based on what you prefer. The p770s are forgiving as well.

 

I prefer the size and shape of the p770s. 

Edited April 1, 2021 by nikeblades00

[JJgolfwrx]

@freddancer12 Would you consider a combo set? For example, P770 GW-7i and P790 6i-4i?

[freddancer12]

@JJgolfwrx I would have to pass, I’m looking for 5-pw for my next setup, Like I have now. 

[GHIN n Juice]

I got them both before going with the mc’s.  I did not notice a significant difference in forgiveness between the 2.  A bit bigger footprint with the 790 but nothing that is going to turn a 15 hcp into a solid ball striker.  The main difference is the lofts and spin numbers.  I’d be looking to make a decision based on the flight, spin and distance numbers that fit you better.  

[drscott266]

I have the P790  and tried the P770, found the looks to be awesome but the feel didn't compare to the 790 for me.  Just so soft and fast feeling, the 770 to me felt clicky and harsh... same shaft in both.  Just my opinion, the 790 is defintely more forgiving but will be lower spin, which didn't matter because they launch high and descend steep enough with right shaft.  

[JDennis]

I play a combo set P790 4-6i and P770 7-PW. Adjusted the lofts so that they gap correctly.  I really like them, came from M2 tour irons.  I really like how the P770 launch high. I am a fairly low spin player and the high launch has definitely helped me. Both the 790 and 770 are about the same forgiveness in my experience.  When struck really well, both feel amazing. 

[ScottHutch2]

On 4/1/2021 at 8:22 PM, GHIN n Juice said:

I got them both before going with the mc’s.  I did not notice a significant difference in forgiveness between the 2.  A bit bigger footprint with the 790 but nothing that is going to turn a 15 hcp into a solid ball striker.  The main difference is the lofts and spin numbers.  I’d be looking to make a decision based on the flight, spin and distance numbers that fit you better.  

This is 100% correct. 770s spin more, especially in the mid and long irons which did it for me. I'd say the difference in forgiveness is not SUPER noticeable. if you are a high spin player, the 790s are a good fit, everyone else I would recommend to go either full 770 or combo set at least with 770s in the short irons. 

 

On top of that, 770s feel different than the 790s. 770s are softer and have more feel. 790s feel fast and bad shots are more muted. 

 

try them both on trackman to see what fits you better. the spin and launch numbers are where these two differ

[Morry]

On 4/2/2021 at 11:37 AM, drscott266 said:

I have the P790  and tried the P770, found the looks to be awesome but the feel didn't compare to the 790 for me.  Just so soft and fast feeling, the 770 to me felt clicky and harsh... same shaft in both.  Just my opinion, the 790 is defintely more forgiving but will be lower spin, which didn't matter because they launch high and descend steep enough with right shaft.  

I totally agree with this

I had the 790’s, switched to the 760’s for feel and spin.....then was super excited this year to try the 770’s.....

But found them ‘clicky and harsh’.....tried 2 separate times.....was so disappointed...

Ended up with T100’s and couldn’t be happier....still use my p790 4i though for some ‘help’

 

 

[raaandy]

Went with the 770s over the 790s. Coming from P7MC (big mistake) and still holding on to the players shape aspirations. Don't be fooled, the 790 is probably the better choice here for me.

 

770 I found to be a bit more under control, never felt excessively hot in testing. No issue with forgiveness, or clicky feel on mishits. Spin was right in the window I like to see for the most part, I was low with the 790. The 770 shape is 100x better IMO, and throughout testing I never worried about nuking one.

 

Should be delivered end of this week after ~3 month wait, so finally getting to hit them outside. Should have a final opinion then, but I don't foresee myself going up to 790s.

 

That being said, it's very possible they sound/feel a whole lot worse than I remember but hoping that's not the case. Looks wise, there are very few things that could knock them out of the bag. We'll see!

[raaandy]

4 hours ago, Morry said:

I totally agree with this

I had the 790’s, switched to the 760’s for feel and spin.....then was super excited this year to try the 770’s.....

But found them ‘clicky and harsh’.....tried 2 separate times.....was so disappointed...

Ended up with T100’s and couldn’t be happier....still use my p790 4i though for some ‘help’

 

 

 

I've heard this so many times, and I feel like either I have a higher threshold for what I consider clicky or maybe I'm blind to the flaws since I've waited so long for them.

 

Did you find the 770s clicky in comparison to the 760s, or compared to the broader market? 760s were super soft, no?

[Morry]

3 hours ago, raaandy said:

 

I've heard this so many times, and I feel like either I have a higher threshold for what I consider clicky or maybe I'm blind to the flaws since I've waited so long for them.

 

Did you find the 770s clicky in comparison to the 760s, or compared to the broader market? 760s were super soft, no?

ridiculously clicky and harsh compared to the 760's 

even compared to the 790's, which I was quite surprised at 

t-100 is much more like the 760 and apparently more to my liking 

everyone different, but I really wanted to like the 770's and just couldn't dupe myself 

good luck - people rave about them and they are sold out forever - must be something to that 

cheers

 

[drscott266]

10 hours ago, Morry said:

I totally agree with this

I had the 790’s, switched to the 760’s for feel and spin.....then was super excited this year to try the 770’s.....

But found them ‘clicky and harsh’.....tried 2 separate times.....was so disappointed...

Ended up with T100’s and couldn’t be happier....still use my p790 4i though for some ‘help’

 

 

I’m glad it’s not just me, wanted to believe the hype so bad. Same issue with new Apex Pro, which is becoming a more common opinion too. I had an order in for T100 but lead time was insane. Picked up a set of Mizuno Hot Metal Pro, so we’ll see how I like them. Currently gaming T200 and don’t really like much about them but can’t deny they work. 

[richresroc]

On 4/7/2021 at 3:10 AM, JDennis said:

I play a combo set P790 4-6i and P770 7-PW. Adjusted the lofts so that they gap correctly.  I really like them, came from M2 tour irons.  I really like how the P770 launch high. I am a fairly low spin player and the high launch has definitely helped me. Both the 790 and 770 are about the same forgiveness in my experience.  When struck really well, both feel amazing. 

Hi, I've just done the same but 4-7i P790 and 8-PW P770. What loft adjustments did you make? I've been advised by the fitting guy in the shop but not convinced...

[bvanlieu]

I bent my P790s 2 weak myself (have my own L/L machine, and have 2017 P790s) as I wanted similar gapping P770 CBs they were replacing in the 5,6 and eventually 7i. I now have 8-PW in the new P770s who's lofts are the same as previous 770s so nothing to change there 🙂 

Really about gapping and if you enjoy what the P790s are doing nothing wrong with making the 770s strong. I prefer a 46/50/55/60 setup for my wedges as well hence keeping the lofts.

 

- b

[goheels11]

Tried 3 sets of 770’s.  Every time,  I fall for her looks.  Just gorgeous.   Then she speaks, and I wonder why I’m here…again. 

[drscott266]

5 hours ago, goheels11 said:

Tried 3 sets of 770’s.  Every time,  I fall for her looks.  Just gorgeous.   Then she speaks, and I wonder why I’m here…again. 

This sounds like me, but it was Hot Metal Pros. I went 790 this time due to forgiveness, as I don’t get to practice as much. Before my kid the lack of precise feel turned me off, now the idea that a not perfect swing can still hit the green excites me. 

[JDennis]

On 1/8/2022 at 9:01 AM, richresroc said:

Hi, I've just done the same but 4-7i P790 and 8-PW P770. What loft adjustments did you make? I've been advised by the fitting guy in the shop but not convinced...

 

 

I had them adjusted 5 iron 1 week, 6 iron 1.5 week, and 7 iron 1 strong. Rest were standard. 

[beethoven]

I wonder how many golfers read something about a club and have a bias when they try that club out.

 

[hartrick11]

On 2/9/2022 at 12:41 PM, beethoven said:

I wonder how many golfers read something about a club and have a bias when they try that club out.

 

 

These threads have definitely swayed me one way or another before...this time around though just went with fitting numbers (looking to lower spin vs. my Cobra CBs + increase forgiveness) and ended up really liking all the TM offerings. I went with a combo with 790 4i, 770 5-7, MC 8-PW. Bent the 790 & 770s 0.5-1* weak to get 4 degree gaps from 22-34 and then stock lofts for MCs. I almost didn't even include the 770 in the test since they are due for a replacement later this year but I am glad I kept them in there.

 

790 was a low spin missile launcher with pretty soft feel (much improved from prior iterations) but muted feedback. 770 had pretty good feel for what they are packing IMO - a touch of "clicky" but soft out of the middle and better feedback than 790, and plenty of forgiveness for my miss which is low and a bit heely. I still wanted the one piece feel with the scoring clubs and was back and forth in my mind about 770 vs. MC in the 7i but went with the forgiveness of 770 over the slightly better/lower launch of the MC.

 

The 770 also felt ten times better with real golf balls vs the beat up range balls I had tried it with a few months back, which I think a lot of people miss in the rush to just go try something at a golf store/range. I know I have definitely fallen into that trap.

[MountainKing]

I'm in the 770 camp these days, came from a player cavity back iron on the hunt for more forgiveness.  They absolutley offer that up.  I also dont get the clicky thing, maybe on mishits they're a bit clicky, but the sweet spot on these feel powerful.  The 790's were a bit too much clubhead for me, which is why I went the 770 route.  

[sniper]

I’ve only hit a 770 a couple times with bad range balls but even then the feel wasn’t bad. I imagine the feel would be very good with a good ball. 
 

I think the look of the 770 is outstanding. What impresses me in the YouTube reviews is that the 770 often has better ball speed than stronger loft clubs. 

[mudmarlin]

I would love to add to the experiences with the 770, but I won’t have mine until May…. If I’m lucky.

[SwooshLT]

Are you guys with the 770s finding easy launch from the deck in the longer irons......that's my bugaboo 

[cmatthews77]

On 2/9/2022 at 2:41 PM, beethoven said:

I wonder how many golfers read something about a club and have a bias when they try that club out.

 

A LOT!

 

I don’t think P770s feel harsh at all for their category. They feel pretty good. Every multi material hollow iron is going to feel clicky compared to a single piece forging out of the middle and it’s going to feel a little better than the same single piece forging off the center. It will be louder. There’s no amount of dampening they can do to change that. 
 

iron forgiveness still baffles my mind how people think about it. Sure, some irons will offer somewhat more forgiveness than a blade or single forging off the middle but a mishits is a mishits and performance will drop roughly the same percentage. “Forgiveness” is more about loft and spin and sole design. The stronger loft you go the less spin it’ll babe and it becomes less forgiving. It’s harder to hit a 30 degree lofted iron straight compared to a 34 degree iron regardless of what is printed on the bottom. A more mass iron will produce a higher launch angle and maybe more peak height so that does play a part in descent. 
 

as others have said pick the iron that gives you the best combination of descent angle, peak height and spin that you like the look of. You’re going to lose roughly the same % of carry distance on a mishit with P790 or P770 it’s just the 790 is stronger so it’s longer. 

[MountainKing]

41 minutes ago, cmatthews77 said:

A LOT!

 

I don’t think P770s feel harsh at all for their category. They feel pretty good. Every multi material hollow iron is going to feel clicky compared to a single piece forging out of the middle and it’s going to feel a little better than the same single piece forging off the center. It will be louder. There’s no amount of dampening they can do to change that. 
 

iron forgiveness still baffles my mind how people think about it. Sure, some irons will offer somewhat more forgiveness than a blade or single forging off the middle but a mishits is a mishits and performance will drop roughly the same percentage. “Forgiveness” is more about loft and spin and sole design. The stronger loft you go the less spin it’ll babe and it becomes less forgiving. It’s harder to hit a 30 degree lofted iron straight compared to a 34 degree iron regardless of what is printed on the bottom. A more mass iron will produce a higher launch angle and maybe more peak height so that does play a part in descent. 
 

as others have said pick the iron that gives you the best combination of descent angle, peak height and spin that you like the look of. You’re going to lose roughly the same % of carry distance on a mishit with P790 or P770 it’s just the 790 is stronger so it’s longer. 

 

Finally, someobdy with some sense.  

[Ray Jackson]

My only complaint with my 770s (4-pw) is that the launch is too high with pw/9/8 even after strengthening the loft so the carry distance is shorter than it should be compared to the 7/6 etc.

 

maybe I am just delivering too much loft in the short irons, but I should probably have gone with MCs or even MBs in the 8-pw. 

[ScottHutch2]

12 hours ago, cmatthews77 said:

A LOT!

 

I don’t think P770s feel harsh at all for their category. They feel pretty good. Every multi material hollow iron is going to feel clicky compared to a single piece forging out of the middle and it’s going to feel a little better than the same single piece forging off the center. It will be louder. There’s no amount of dampening they can do to change that. 
 

iron forgiveness still baffles my mind how people think about it. Sure, some irons will offer somewhat more forgiveness than a blade or single forging off the middle but a mishits is a mishits and performance will drop roughly the same percentage. “Forgiveness” is more about loft and spin and sole design. The stronger loft you go the less spin it’ll babe and it becomes less forgiving. It’s harder to hit a 30 degree lofted iron straight compared to a 34 degree iron regardless of what is printed on the bottom. A more mass iron will produce a higher launch angle and maybe more peak height so that does play a part in descent. 
 

as others have said pick the iron that gives you the best combination of descent angle, peak height and spin that you like the look of. You’re going to lose roughly the same % of carry distance on a mishit with P790 or P770 it’s just the 790 is stronger so it’s longer. 

I’m 100% with you. The complaints about “harsh” feeling get a little out of control here imo. If you’re hitting the middle of the face, the club isn’t harsh

[A.Princey]

Wonder if they feel anything like the i500s? Man, those things were like getting jammed inside, off the handle, on a cold October day!

[ob1soccer]

when is TM looking to move on from the 790/770 to a new version? anyone have information