Opinion on scalpers?

[BlackDiamondPar5]

7 hours ago, straightshot7 said:

There's so much gray area and subjectivity on that topic though. 

 

If I buy a stock at $70 a share and there are no other sellers at that price, and you have to buy it at $71 per share, did I just "deprive you of something"?

 

Technically yeah I did. I took the last remaining shares at that price.

 

There are countless examples of this in capitalism. It's not really avoidable and it's okay.

e.g. Real estate investor/flipper outbids a young family for a house. Did he deprive that young family of the house they wanted, "purely to profit from it"? Yes. Do you have an "ethical quandary" with that? 

 

The person buying the extra product did not do so to "make it harder for someone else". They did so to profit for themselves.

 

If it's a problem then the retailer should/can limit it to 1 item per person. 

I say None of that falls within the realm of depriving someone of something or scalping.

 

Tradable stock exists for the purpose of investing in the business and provides the business with the cash it needs to provide services or products and grow. Maybe it makes money, maybe it does not.

 

Buying a house on the open market, improving it and selling it doesn't deprive anyone of anything. Making things better is usually a good thing for the entire community. Certainly the person selling it could say I'll take a little less because I'd rather that young family get the house.

 

Buying a limited edition collectable is exactly what they were made for. Whether you keep it or sell it for a profit (or loss) that's your prerogative.

 

As long as you acquired it fairly, without manipulating the supply chain I don't see a problem. 

 

Then there's the scalpers. To me there is no gray area for the Vermin that buy event tickets with no intention of attending and only intend to flip for a profit. They often acquire by means of unfair advantage, reduce supply to gain advantage, add absolutely no value or improvement to the original product. It's absolutely ridiculous that front row concert tickets go on sale at reseller sites weeks before tickets go on sale at large multiples above face value. Those are the true scalpers that should be hung from a tree. 

 

 

Edited April 4, 2021 by BlackDiamondPar5

[TiScape]

Kinda surprised this thread has the legs that it does. People have a lot of passionate opinions on the topic. Who knew?! Haha. Anyway, I’ve always associated “scalper” with the guy in front of the venue, or down the street from it, holding up tix and asking everyone that goes by in a low voice “need tickets?”. 
This is a huge problem in the Sneaker Head community. People use bots to buy up all the limited edition sneakers that sell out in minutes and then instantly re-sell on sites at an easy 500% profit. Think $200 pair that will go for thousands. It’s a HUGE problem. If you’re just a regular person that wants to get a pair the “right way” to just wear... Good luck! Sneaker re-selling is a multi million dollar industry. So of course it’s corrupt. 

[Quasimoto]

9 hours ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

I say None of that falls within the realm of depriving someone of something or scalping.

 

Tradable stock exists for the purpose of investing in the business and provides the business with the cash it needs to provide services or products and grow. Maybe it makes money, maybe it does not.

 

Buying a house on the open market, improving it and selling it doesn't deprive anyone of anything. Making things better is usually a good thing for the entire community. Certainly the person selling it could say I'll take a little less because I'd rather that young family get the house.

 

Buying a limited edition collectable is exactly what they were made for. Whether you keep it or sell it for a profit (or loss) that's your prerogative.

 

As long as you acquired it fairly, without manipulating the supply chain I don't see a problem. 

 

Then there's the scalpers. To me there is no gray area for the Vermin that buy event tickets with no intention of attending and only intend to flip for a profit. They often acquire by means of unfair advantage, reduce supply to gain advantage, add absolutely no value or improvement to the original product. It's absolutely ridiculous that front row concert tickets go on sale at reseller sites weeks before tickets go on sale at large multiples above face value. Those are the true scalpers that should be hung from a tree. 

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-banning-ticket-scalping-bots-1.4425423

We don’t have that problem in Alberta anymore.

[larciel]

I've been selling on forums for over 20 years and back then it was frowned upon. now there are so many re-sellers it's not worth pointing out. You just move on.

 

Scotty Cameron is worst. I see the Wed release within a few hours on the Scotty fb group with $1000+ mark-up.

 

 

[Skhacker]

Viewed completely arbitrary by the BST mods on this site, but it’s their site and their rules so c’est la vie. 
I think a lot of people get a hint of jealousy when they see someone making a good profit on something they wish they had. It’s a natural human response. I learned many years ago when it’s time to give, or time to not give a d@mn. Scroll through and move along. 

[straightshot7]

On 4/4/2021 at 4:19 AM, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

I say None of that falls within the realm of depriving someone of something or scalping.

 

Tradable stock exists for the purpose of investing in the business and provides the business with the cash it needs to provide services or products and grow. Maybe it makes money, maybe it does not.

 

Buying a house on the open market, improving it and selling it doesn't deprive anyone of anything. Making things better is usually a good thing for the entire community. Certainly the person selling it could say I'll take a little less because I'd rather that young family get the house.

 

Buying a limited edition collectable is exactly what they were made for. Whether you keep it or sell it for a profit (or loss) that's your prerogative.

 

As long as you acquired it fairly, without manipulating the supply chain I don't see a problem. 

 

Then there's the scalpers. To me there is no gray area for the Vermin that buy event tickets with no intention of attending and only intend to flip for a profit. They often acquire by means of unfair advantage, reduce supply to gain advantage, add absolutely no value or improvement to the original product. It's absolutely ridiculous that front row concert tickets go on sale at reseller sites weeks before tickets go on sale at large multiples above face value. Those are the true scalpers that should be hung from a tree. 

 

 

"Scalpers" never got defined in this thread very well.

I thought that these type of people were also being considered "scalpers":

"Buying a limited edition collectable is exactly what they were made for. Whether you keep it or sell it for a profit (or loss) that's your prerogative."

Because the OP is talking about the GolfWRX Classifieds, etc. He's not talking about ticket scalpers.

 

I agree that anyone doing business "by means of unfair advantage, reduce supply to gain advantage" etc. or any clearly unethical practices is wrong. 

My point was that I don't think buying something purely because you intend to profit from it (and as a by-product technically "depriving" someone else of something) is exclusive to flippers or "scalpers". Nor do I think it's wrong. 

 

There are examples all throughout capitalism of having to "deprive someone of something" as a by-product of trying to make a profit. You're not doing it to deprive someone. You're trying to make a profit and as a by-product, someone else doesn't get the product that they wanted at the price they wanted it at. 

 

For example, I like to buy nice golf shoes at Ross when I can find them. Unfortunately, there are people who buy them all up and re-sell them on eBay. Do I have a lot of respect for those people? Not really.

But do I have an "ethical quandary" with what they are doing? No, they are doing nothing illegal or against the terms of service of the store they are buying from. They aren't violating eBay's rules either. It's just the name of the game. Maybe someone doing this really needs the money and it helps them survive for a couple months before getting a job or starting a real business. That's what is great about capitalism, how flexible and organic it can be. 

[justincredible04]

3 hours ago, Skhacker said:

Viewed completely arbitrary by the BST mods on this site, but it’s their site and their rules so c’est la vie. 
I think a lot of people get a hint of jealousy when they see someone making a good profit on something they wish they had. It’s a natural human response. I learned many years ago when it’s time to give, or time to not give a d@mn. Scroll through and move along. 

Pretty much this. It actually kind of turned me off from the BST...oh and getting rid of feedback was the final nail in the coffin 😂

[Bad9]

45 minutes ago, justincredible04 said:

Pretty much this. It actually kind of turned me off from the BST...oh and getting rid of feedback was the final nail in the coffin 😂

Feedback has been back for quite some time

[jholz]

On 4/2/2021 at 10:42 PM, deadsolid...shank said:

Hey J, when I was walking up Blake street yesterday heading to Coors, I could swear people were offering money to people if they would take their tickets. That’s how bad the Rockies are this year!😀

 

Every year....

[bubbagump]

"Scalpers" are only apparently accepted and championed when you are doing so via Ross/Marshalls/BCF find to thwart the "real" scalpers because you are just helping others and the community out by buying them up yourself and reselling. 

 

If you sell Jordan's or Tyson Lamb or Limited putters etc, its akin to pledging allegiance to Isis.  

Edited April 7, 2021 by bubbagump

[justincredible04]

On 4/5/2021 at 12:49 PM, Bad9 said:

Feedback has been back for quite some time

How do you view feedback from sales? I swear I’ve been looking and all I see are the reactions 

[Bad9]

 

Click on their profile and then the tab that says Feedback on the top right of your screen.

 

[bladehunter]

On 4/5/2021 at 3:10 PM, straightshot7 said:

"Scalpers" never got defined in this thread very well.

I thought that these type of people were also being considered "scalpers":

"Buying a limited edition collectable is exactly what they were made for. Whether you keep it or sell it for a profit (or loss) that's your prerogative."

Because the OP is talking about the GolfWRX Classifieds, etc. He's not talking about ticket scalpers.

 

I agree that anyone doing business "by means of unfair advantage, reduce supply to gain advantage" etc. or any clearly unethical practices is wrong. 

My point was that I don't think buying something purely because you intend to profit from it (and as a by-product technically "depriving" someone else of something) is exclusive to flippers or "scalpers". Nor do I think it's wrong. 

 

There are examples all throughout capitalism of having to "deprive someone of something" as a by-product of trying to make a profit. You're not doing it to deprive someone. You're trying to make a profit and as a by-product, someone else doesn't get the product that they wanted at the price they wanted it at. 

 

For example, I like to buy nice golf shoes at Ross when I can find them. Unfortunately, there are people who buy them all up and re-sell them on eBay. Do I have a lot of respect for those people? Not really.

But do I have an "ethical quandary" with what they are doing? No, they are doing nothing illegal or against the terms of service of the store they are buying from. They aren't violating eBay's rules either. It's just the name of the game. Maybe someone doing this really needs the money and it helps them survive for a couple months before getting a job or starting a real business. That's what is great about capitalism, how flexible and organic it can be. 

Yea agree there. If “ scalpers “ doesn’t buy up Cameron’s collectible do-dads they wouldn’t even produce them. They’re designed to be bought and resold.  so that doesn’t bother me. I’m not a collector of do-dads.  
 

but ticket resellers.  Castrate the whole lot so they can’t replicate. Especially the Augusta scalpers.  I cannot understand for the life of me why they let those guys sell here , snd the Nike shoes from Ross are illegal.  Hell I enjoy someone passing on a deal in my size from Ross.  I can never find them myself.  
 

 

[SubaruWRX]

The thing I don’t like is how flipping here is treated so inconsistently. 
 
Flipping is allowed in the BST, but for some reason, the mods prohibit flipping items from Burlington, Ross, & TJ Maxx. What’s the difference where items come from? Flipping is flipping. Allow it or dont. 

[justincredible04]

On 6/7/2021 at 1:22 AM, Bad9 said:

 

Click on their profile and then the tab that says Feedback on the top right of your screen.

 

Nice! Thanks! I was on mobile and couldn’t figure it out. Switch to desktop site and can see it now 😄

[brew4eagle]

3 hours ago, justincredible04 said:

Nice! Thanks! I was on mobile and couldn’t figure it out. Switch to desktop site and can see it now 😄

On mobile, you need to turn the phone in 'landscape' mode (works on my samsung at least)

Edited June 10, 2021 by brew4eagle

[justincredible04]

On 6/9/2021 at 2:17 PM, brew4eagle said:

On mobile, you need to turn the phone in 'landscape' mode (works on my samsung at least)

Thanks! I figured that part out too after some trial and error. On iOS there is at least an option to click on a drop down arrow (my phone was on screen lock). But the landscape view is the best one 

 

 

[Tzoid]

On 4/2/2021 at 12:34 PM, woodbooger said:

btw, I only created this post so I can get to 75 posts as fast as possible so I can flip things on the BST forum.

Less than 50 posts and I see you're making friends with your winning personality....    

[D_iGital_pUnk]

I cant believe I read the entire 3 pages of this thread 😴

[woodbooger]

lol at all the champions choice putters

[kdog25]

1 hour ago, woodbooger said:

lol at all the champions choice putters

I’ve got no issue with it except for the selective enforcement. Had some guys (me included) trying to pass along the Nike shoes at cost plus a couple bucks to cover gas and whatnot. I quite literally went out of my way to go to a couple different stores thinking I’d help some guys out who wanted the shoes. But that’s not allowed because we were buying/selling for “profit”. 

[thevaporz]

This guy was pretty dreggy. Seen one seen em all.

 

[cardia10]

On 4/5/2021 at 3:18 AM, larciel said:

I've been selling on forums for over 20 years and back then it was frowned upon. now there are so many re-sellers it's not worth pointing out. You just move on.

 

Scotty Cameron is worst. I see the Wed release within a few hours on the Scotty fb group with $1000+ mark-up.

 

 

Between Cameron's and Jordan golf shoes, it has went crazy here. Saying that, check out the Camerons in my ad...lol

[Anser]

I'll never do business with people who buy limited stuff just to flip it here  

This isn't supposed to be a retail storefront  

[GarretG]

On 8/9/2021 at 9:02 PM, Anser said:

I'll never do business with people who buy limited stuff just to flip it here  

This isn't supposed to be a retail storefront  

Lol exactly. Not sure even how “Limited” the Buttonbacks are after seeing 30 daily ads posted on the BST 😅

[TmagBryce]

Once people were willing to pay $100's for donut ball markers there is a market to dudes with excess cash and care less so that created this flip market.  $500+ head covers that is used on a $200 putter, uhhhh OK.

 

Should see what sneakers go for on secondary market.