Unpopular Equipment Opinions

[84425]

Wedges with more than 56* loft should be banned. If you can't open up a 54* wedge and hit every shot you can imagine, you're a hack and shouldn't be out on the course.

 

People that wear clothes that are sold as golf clothing look worse than the people wearing jeans on the course.

 

Modern equipment has ruined the game.

[tsecor]

On 8/23/2021 at 11:28 AM, eric61 said:

Golf is a sport,

 

 

some would disagree.....is bowling a sport too? Because a ball is involved? maybe its a skill game or an activity?

 

 

[lefthack]

15 minutes ago, tsecor said:

some would disagree.....is bowling a sport too? Because a ball is involved? maybe its a skill game or an activity?

 

 

 

How about poker? It's on ESPN. 🤣

 

Golf is a game some folks are lucky enough to get paid to play.

[Yoshifan151]

I'd rather have a wedge from NCW over Artisan.

[MattM97]

30 minutes ago, Yoshifan151 said:

I'd rather have a wedge from NCW over Artisan.

 

Not sure if that's unpopular opinion, both are nice in their own way. I'd love both, but only NCW makes LH so I'd go with them shoot I might cause no one else makes custom LH wedges. 

[SylvesterLundgren]

6 hours ago, 84425 said:

Wedges with more than 56* loft should be banned. If you can't open up a 54* wedge and hit every shot you can imagine, you're a hack and shouldn't be out on the course.

 

People that wear clothes that are sold as golf clothing look worse than the people wearing jeans on the course.

 

Modern equipment has ruined the game.

In the words of lefty, 

If youre doing all that you could’ve grabbed a 58-60 and left it alone. Lol I hope you have a decent wedge game that can play the way you’re talking 😂😂😂 should be banned..... that’s funny and what bounce/grind do you suggest that grants that application?? 
(yes I can do what your suggesting 😁 maybe even better than you 😉) 

[Yoshifan151]

23 minutes ago, MattM97 said:

 

Not sure if that's unpopular opinion, both are nice in their own way. I'd love both, but only NCW makes LH so I'd go with them shoot I might cause no one else makes custom LH wedges. 

Yeah I don't think it's a ridiculously unpopular opinion but from what I see on here there's just way more talk and recommendations for Artisan. Artisan has a great product but I prefer the classic look and idea of complete customization that NCW gives. And yeah being a lefty in the golf world really sucks sometimes.

[MattM97]

3 minutes ago, Yoshifan151 said:

Yeah I don't think it's a ridiculously unpopular opinion but from what I see on here there's just way more talk and recommendations for Artisan. Artisan has a great product but I prefer the classic look and idea of complete customization that NCW gives. And yeah being a lefty in the golf world really sucks sometimes.

 

You're telling me. 

 

But I think the draw to Artisan is the fitting experience you get with them, it sounds like they treat you like a tour pro and you get a set of wedges you'll game for a while. I'd love to go there for a putter fitting and experience that.

 

NCW is nice with that classic look like you mentioned and endless custom options plus they can recreate an old wedge that you love, just have to send the heads in and they can make copies. 

[agood3putt]

" Murdered Out" is the hip new version of "Stealth"

[karstens_ghost]

5 hours ago, tsecor said:

some would disagree.....is bowling a sport too? Because a ball is involved? maybe its a skill game or an activity?

 

 

 

It's a sport if you walk the course. It's a sport if you play single-index.

 

It's a game if you drink alcohol. It's a game if you're goofing around.

 

The beauty of golf is that it can be both, depending on what you want it to be that day.

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by karstens_ghost

[lefthack]

31 minutes ago, karstens_ghost said:

 

It's a sport if you walk the course.

 

 

 

Even if somebody else is carrying you clubs? 🤣

[chippa13]

3 hours ago, karstens_ghost said:

 

It's a sport if you walk the course. It's a sport if you play single-index.

 

It's a game if you drink alcohol. It's a game if you're goofing around.

 

The beauty of golf is that it can be both, depending on what you want it to be that day.

 

Tell my adult hockey teams it isn't a sport if you drink alcohol.

[46and2_aheadofme]

If a 51 year old with arthritis can win one of your top competitions, it's a game not a sport.  😜

[karstens_ghost]

2 hours ago, 46and2_aheadofme said:

If a 51 year old with arthritis can win one of your top competitions, it's a game not a sport.  😜

[karstens_ghost]

Another one - rules based:

 

The 5->3 minute rule is stupid. You think "ah, saved two minutes" when really you've forced many more situations where you must go back, causing 5-8 minutes more delay.

 

The rule should be that you can, after three minutes, play along the line of the shot to its last known position for one stroke. If it cannot be determined that the ball did not go out of bounds, the same rule applies for two strokes. (If you know you're ob, or think you are, a provisional can be played on the spot, but you can't go back after the three minutes.)

 

All rules that make competition move backwards to the prior shot location should be eliminated. This includes White Stakes, which should have normal penalty area relief for two strokes, and white stakes should be used only in cases of property or non-participant safety. Also, committees should be generous in applying Local "leaf rules" with shedding trees.

 

I also think players should be limited to one provisional ball per 18 holes.

[Bad9]

5 hours ago, karstens_ghost said:

All rules that make competition move backwards to the prior shot location should be eliminated. This includes White Stakes, which should have normal penalty area relief for two strokes, and white stakes should be used only in cases of property or non-participant safety.

 

This would save a bunch of time in most non competitive rounds as very few people hit provisionals.

[gioguy21]

5 hours ago, karstens_ghost said:

Another one - rules based:

 

The 5->3 minute rule is stupid. You think "ah, saved two minutes" when really you've forced many more situations where you must go back, causing 5-8 minutes more delay.

 

The rule should be that you can, after three minutes, play along the line of the shot to its last known position for one stroke. If it cannot be determined that the ball did not go out of bounds, the same rule applies for two strokes. (If you know you're ob, or think you are, a provisional can be played on the spot, but you can't go back after the three minutes.)

 

All rules that make competition move backwards to the prior shot location should be eliminated. This includes White Stakes, which should have normal penalty area relief for two strokes, and white stakes should be used only in cases of property or non-participant safety. Also, committees should be generous in applying Local "leaf rules" with shedding trees.

 

I also think players should be limited to one provisional ball per 18 holes.

then what?

[RCGA]

There's no way you can tell the difference between any ProV1 made in the last 10 years. 

 

I'm not saying they haven't changed. I'm saying your shot variance is too unpredictable to discern the differences.   

[karstens_ghost]

31 minutes ago, gioguy21 said:

then what?

 

I see what you bolded...

 

If those rules are in place, then a provisional ball is not needed in many cases. I find it annoying when I'm in a match, and a guy puts it in some trees, you know where it is, but "I'll just play a provisional in case". In case of what? In case you didn't warm up enough? In case you magically can't find that ball?

 

It's a delay tactic in match play. I'd be happy if stroke play wasn't a problem, but that in match play, the provisional is removed. Only the "play out the provisional on a rules dispute" is left.

 

Maybe there's someone smarter than me that can craft something better, but I really want to see it moved back to 5 minutes, AND you cannot go back, must play in line with shot, etc. No one wants to go backwards. The walk of shame, back to a tee box, as the foursome behind you wait… it just should not exist in the game.

 

Given the rules above, it's unlikely anyone can tell me when it's "right" to go back. Remember, you can hit again as long as you don't walk up on it. If you spend the 3/5 minutes, you have to stay there, and you lose the right to play from the original position.

[gioguy21]

3 minutes ago, karstens_ghost said:

 

I see what you bolded...

 

If those rules are in place, then a provisional ball is not needed in many cases. I find it annoying when I'm in a match, and a guy puts it in some trees, you know where it is, but "I'll just play a provisional in case". In case of what? In case you didn't warm up enough? In case you magically can't find that ball?

 

It's a delay tactic in match play. I'd be happy if stroke play wasn't a problem, but that in match play, the provisional is removed. Only the "play out the provisional on a rules dispute" is left.

 

Maybe there's someone smarter than me that can craft something better, but I really want to see it moved back to 5 minutes, AND you cannot go back, must play in line with shot, etc. No one wants to go backwards. The walk of shame, back to a tee box, as the foursome behind you wait… it just should not exist in the game.

 

Given the rules above, it's unlikely anyone can tell me when it's "right" to go back. Remember, you can hit again as long as you don't walk up on it. If you spend the 3/5 minutes, you have to stay there, and you lose the right to play from the original position.

the purpose of going back is stroke AND distance. Also, the reasoning for going back is because you cannot determine where it is, unless you witnessed it cross and hazard area  -- it's a lost ball, thus the provisional.

 

apparently you play with a lot of people who hit it wayward -- in tournaments i've never seen the provisional or drive back really turn into a serious issue. 

it's not a delay tactic lol if you genuinely can't find a ball and have to go back b/c you didn't play a provisional, the player you're suggesting is 'delaying' is the one in his pocket...doesn't make sense.  

[RCGA]

All penalties should be one-stoke, point of entry, two club lengths no closer to the hole. Lost ball, OB, lateral hazard, water hazard, and unplayable.

 

If you're on a cart path, it should be the player's choice which side the drop is on.  

 

It's already how 95% of people play, so just get on with it. 

[RCGA]

2 minutes ago, gioguy21 said:

 

apparently you play with a lot of people who hit it wayward -- in tournaments i've never seen the provisional or drive back really turn into a serious issue. 
 

 

I played a lot of tournaments as a junior. Two courses we played several times a year never mowed the second cut of rough. It was brutal US Open automatic lost ball stuff. 

 

If your competitor hit it in there and didn't hit a provisional, there was a 50/50 chance they're walking back to the tee. 

 

Now here's the "problem". Do you help them look for the ball and "save' them two shots? Or do they walk back to the tee and potentially risk having your group be put on the clock for slow play. 

[gioguy21]

28 minutes ago, RCGA said:

 

I played a lot of tournaments as a junior. Two courses we played several times a year never mowed the second cut of rough. It was brutal US Open automatic lost ball stuff. 

 

If your competitor hit it in there and didn't hit a provisional, there was a 50/50 chance they're walking back to the tee. 

 

Now here's the "problem". Do you help them look for the ball and "save' them two shots? Or do they walk back to the tee and potentially risk having your group be put on the clock for slow play. 

i'll always help a playing partner/opponent look for a ball -- i'm not a cold hearted a**...

and being put on the clock would mean we'd have to be warned -- and we'd have to have the discussion with the marshall/committee that the only person causing the timing issue is my opponent

 

[clutchputt71]

Scotty Cameron is not a putter designer he’s a great at marketing

 

PXG is an over priced Ping

 

Bryson D annoys me

[JamesWA]

When club makers say that their new clubs have 5% more MOI, the guy who made last years clubs should be fired ! 

[NRJyzr]

It might be time....

 

[lefthack]

1 hour ago, clutchputt71 said:

 

Bryson D annoys me

 

Pretty sure that's popular, actually.

[GooseHook]

My tinfoil hat conspiracy is that there's some sort of smoke-filled room talk every year where the OEMs agree which "trend" is going to be commonly marketed. 

 

"Is this year about low spin or MOI?"

"Anyone else doing a marketing pitch on face tech?"

"Anyone got some buzzword we can use for thinning our driver crowns .001 micron?"

 

This is obviously where Golf Digest attends, collects their Hot List payments, and takes notes so they can make up "cons" in their new equipment reviews.  

[DevilDog]

These days, improvements in equipment are miniscule.  Usually all marketing methods to say how much better they're supposed to be.  

[dekez]

I believe the JDM claim of being manufactured to a higher tolerance to be dubious.