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It COULD happen, I mean Danny Willett won the Masters after all, but the odds say it won't.

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11 minutes ago, nitram said:

It COULD happen, I mean Danny Willett won the Masters after all, but the odds say it won't.

Danny Willett was 12th in the owgr the week BEFORE he won the Masters. Not exactly a fluke.

 

http://www.owgr.com/en/Ranking/PlayerProfile.aspx?playerID=12920&year=2016

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1 hour ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Interesting website I stumbled upon that might interest you and others: http://www.ongolfhandicaps.com/.

Probably well known around here, but I had not encountered it.

Interesting, thank you for that.  But he is incorrect, I believe, in the part about handicap allowances in stroke play.

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The Committee could argue the tournament has more than 30 players and thus the 95% allowance is justified. That would be specious reasoning. The 95% allowance has no effect on its intended purpose of benefitting the low-handicap player.   No one in the first flight (handicaps of 10 and under) will get a reduced handicap.

 

That would have been true under the old handicap allowance system where you rounded more than once. But now, when we apply the 95% to the index and then calculate the PH we can for example take a 3 down to a 2 for the event. 

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27 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

Danny Willett was 12th in the owgr the week BEFORE he won the Masters. Not exactly a fluke.

 

http://www.owgr.com/en/Ranking/PlayerProfile.aspx?playerID=12920&year=2016

But what has he done since?

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But what has he done since?

He’s bounced around between 30 and 80 or so in the rankings. 
 

Which does not change the original statement I replied  to.  His win was not a fluke at the time.  A decline after a win does not mean the win was a fluke does it?  Or was Spieth’s early career success a fluke as well?  He fell almost as far as Willett.

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What I'm trying to say is he's one and done on the PGA Tour and proves every dog has their day. He was playing well entering the Masters but you know as well as I do that doesn't mean anything as far as winning. There are countless times a person enters the tournament as a favorite or high in the rankings and doesn't finish the deal.  So yeah I consider it a fluke. While Spieth may have fallen further than Willett, it's comparing apples to oranges as Spieth has won several tournaments and additional majors.

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1 minute ago, nitram said:

What I'm trying to say is he's one and done on the PGA Tour and proves every dog has their day. He was playing well entering the Masters but you know as well as I do that doesn't mean anything as far as winning. There are countless times a person enters the tournament as a favorite or high in the rankings and doesn't finish the deal.  So yeah I consider it a fluke. While Spieth may have fallen further than Willett, it's comparing apples to oranges as Spieth has won several tournaments and additional majors.

And Willett has one more win since his last major than Spieth.  Willett was a high ranking player and closed the deal in 2016 when Spieth blew a gasket. 
 

Differing opinions is all.  To me if it was certainly not a fluke at the time it doesn’t change later. For whatever reason neither of those was able to sustain their performance though Spieth certainly appears to be trending back to prior form.

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3 hours ago, isaacbm said:

This is my exact point. Slope changed the way handicap is calculated. It’s a good idea when trying to balance out a 2 handicap playing against a 12  handicap in the club matchplay. It isn’t a good way of comparing how good a tour pro is versus a scratch golfer though. 
 

edit: What I mean is that obviously adding the slope system is a better way to create a fair match between players of different handicaps.

I just think as a general rule trying  to assign a handicap to a tour pro is often irrelevant.  At that level what is most important is their ability to shoot 4  low scores in a row.  That’s what really separates them from club players with a low handicap. 
    It’s better to shoot 69 4times in a row (week after week) then it is to shoot 76,69,62,76The  guy who shoots the latter 4  scores will actually have a lower handicap even though he can’t make a cut. 
    

 

Of course that's true, although the guy capable of shooting the 62 on Tour will make cuts, for sure. It's just that he will miss far more cuts than the other guy.

 

It would be nice if GHIN allowed more freedom to fiddle with one's scoring data. When comparing oneself to a pro, the only way you can do that is to take your scoring AVERAGE  versus the course RATING and you would have a pretty good idea.

 

For instance:

 

Player 1, a "club player":

 

+1.0, traveling tournament index. Scoring average, all rounds, 73.6. Average course rating of courses played, 72.0. You could say he has a "all scores index" of 1.6

 

Same golfer, has a tournament scoring average of 74.9 and an average course rating of 73.8. He has a "all scores tournament index" of 1.1

 

It would be nice if all of those data points were available right on GHIN without having to manipulate the data oneself.

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1 hour ago, Shilgy said:

Interesting, thank you for that.  But he is incorrect, I believe, in the part about handicap allowances in stroke play.

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The Committee could argue the tournament has more than 30 players and thus the 95% allowance is justified. That would be specious reasoning. The 95% allowance has no effect on its intended purpose of benefitting the low-handicap player.   No one in the first flight (handicaps of 10 and under) will get a reduced handicap.

 

That would have been true under the old handicap allowance system where you rounded more than once. But now, when we apply the 95% to the index and then calculate the PH we can for example take a 3 down to a 2 for the event. 

I haven't read all the articles yet.  Seems pretty prolific generating lots of info.

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On 4/27/2021 at 8:03 AM, Forged4ever said:

Back in the Day???

 

How bout TODAY????

 

Strongly felt??

 

Tell em to feel this🥴.......

 

CHIII???

 

Not to be offensive, however F*CK CHIII😉!!

 

Ok, now that I'm loosened up, how bout a guy who was a card carryin Member of the Big Boy Tour for eight years before he tore his shoulder up and it basically ended his career within 4-5 years, as he spent his last four years on the Buy.com Tour, garnering 4 Top-10's and a runner-up in 2000, basically Playin wack a mole due to his trashed shoulder???

 

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Burkey, a little guy if i remember, Won a couple down under. Decent game. Sad about the shoulder.

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9 hours ago, NoFancyUsername. said:

Burkey, a little guy if i remember, Won a couple down under. Decent game. Sad about the shoulder.

Yeppers, that's him, his heart♥️  has always been bigger than he was and kept him on Tour for almost a decade, waaaaay past the sell dates of all of those supposed "god like" swings of Players that were labeled as "can't miss."  This swing shot is from the 1992 Walt Disney World Golf Classic, with his college team photo, where he was an AA at Cal State and a more recent shot included. I love the cap🧢 he had on at the Disney cuz it reminds me of the Amana hats that we used to wear back in the day that had the height of friggin train conductors' hats😂😂. They sat so high on your head regardless of how low down ya pulled em, you still had to either tilt your head down or hold em by those huge brims out front when the wind kicked up, and we looked like these rap thugs😂😂

 

Oh, and if ya notice, @rangersgoalie was sportin the 7-day lonnnnnnng before all the Tour sheep🐑🐑 starting wearin 'em. 
 

Have a Great Season Brotha👊
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On 5/2/2021 at 1:21 PM, Shilgy said:

He’s bounced around between 30 and 80 or so in the rankings. 
 

Which does not change the original statement I replied  to.  His win was not a fluke at the time.  A decline after a win does not mean the win was a fluke does it?  Or was Spieth’s early career success a fluke as well?  He fell almost as far as Willett.

No he didn't. Not even close. In 2018 Willett was ranked as low as 462nd in the world. He fell much further than YJS ever did. Furthest YJS was in the OWGR during his slump was 92nd in the world after M/C at the Farmers this year. Year end rankings in the OWGR don't tell the entire story of where a player was at during a given season.

 

http://www.owgr.com/en/Ranking/PlayerProfile.aspx?playerID=12920&year=2018

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1 hour ago, grm24 said:

No he didn't. Not even close. In 2018 Willett was ranked as low as 462nd in the world. He fell much further than YJS ever did. Furthest YJS was in the OWGR during his slump was 92nd in the world after M/C at the Farmers this year. Year end rankings in the OWGR don't tell the entire story of where a player was at during a given season.

 

http://www.owgr.com/en/Ranking/PlayerProfile.aspx?playerID=12920&year=2018

You are correct. I looked at the year summaries and figured, incorrectly, he had fallen to 120th or so.


It is amazing how quickly he plummeted in the rankings.

 

I will stand by my statement that anyone in the top 15 at the time winning a major is not a fluke.

 

That said, Thank you for the correction.

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29 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

I will stand by my statement that anyone in the top 15 at the time winning a major is not a fluke.

No kidding. Willett winning the Masters was hard and well earned. Bogey free 67 in the final round of The Masters. How often does that happen? It's rare. Even with the players at the rear of the field that are supposed to have no pressure on them. Willett was only 3 shots out of the lead entering the final round. Still so many alleged rational golf fans that to this day will not give him his due. 

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5 hours ago, grm24 said:

No kidding. Willett winning the Masters was hard and well earned. Bogey free 67 in the final round of The Masters. How often does that happen? It's rare. Even with the players at the rear of the field that are supposed to have no pressure on them. Willett was only 3 shots out of the lead entering the final round. Still so many alleged rational golf fans that to this day will not give him his due. 

I think they hold it against him that he looks like reik from GOT

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Not touched on, but Lydia is a PROFESSIONAL.  She gets up, does her morning routine, then spends the day working on her craft.  An on-their-game D1 player might hang, maybe a young ex-college player, but anyone over, say, 30, has responsibilities beyond daily hours spent working on their sand game.  That professionalism over four days will wear your a** out.

Those Amana caps were the ugliest, but all caps from that era made me look like a tall, skinny mushroom.

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