Rickie Fowler should go back to the Titleist Pro V1 to solve his putting problems. TP5x is too hard for his milled putter face.

[IronWolf]

I just recently tried some free TP 5X balls off my Scotty Cameron Newport.

 

I think that is why Ricky Fowler cannot putt anymore.

 

The ball seemed very hard, much more clicky than the Pro V1's  I use,   much more face velocity, shorter dwell time on the face, lower amount of feel.

 

Additionally I noticed the very large dimples cause the ball to go off-line about 1/10 times, you could see the ball jump left or right when it hit the edge of one of those huge dimples.

 

TPX5 only has 320 dimples which means they are very large dinner plates, I noticed the same thing with my Pro V1X, that is why I switched to the Pro V1 last year(388 dimples), they almost never start off line off the putter face.

 

I understand if some company gives you $10 million to play the ball, and you miss one extra putt per round that could very well be worth it.

 

I think he needs to change to a different putter face or change back to the Pro V1.

just an opinion

Edited April 5, 2021 by IronWolf
typo

[Bigarch]

uh-huh

[TKS]

Everything you just posted is absolutely true.

[Schoolboy]

So true. Should have never messed around with his golf ball.

[jonradus]

...or maybe just switch to the TP5, see if that makes a difference, and continue collecting his huge Taylormade paycheck. 

[dlygrisse]

[Neo1]

wow u got me...cant tell if serious

[Red4282]

[YMark]

1 hour ago, jonradus said:

...or maybe just switch to the TP5, see if that makes a difference, and continue collecting his huge Taylormade paycheck. 

 

I think he played the TP5 before he went to the TP5x.

[dlygrisse]

Rickie is like Bitcoin, he’s worth a lot but no one really knows why. 

[Shilgy]

Congrats to the new guy(op)!

 

He got to 75 posts enlightening us with these well thought out posts!🤣

[grm24]

4 hours ago, IronWolf said:

I just recently tried some free TP 5X balls off my Scotty Cameron Newport.

 

I think that is why Ricky Fowler cannot putt anymore.

 

The ball seemed very hard, much more clicky than the Pro V1's  I use,   much more face velocity, shorter dwell time on the face, lower amount of feel.

 

Additionally I noticed the very large dimples cause the ball to go off-line about 1/10 times, you could see the ball jump left or right when it hit the edge of one of those huge dimples.

 

TPX5 only has 320 dimples which means they are very large dinner plates, I noticed the same thing with my Pro V1X, that is why I switched to the Pro V1 last year(388 dimples), they almost never start off line off the putter face.

 

I understand if some company gives you $10 million to play the ball, and you miss one extra putt per round that could very well be worth it.

 

I think he needs to change to a different putter face or change back to the Pro V1.

just an opinion

 

LOL! Forget about his putting. IYO what ball should Fowler change to his to stop his hitting foul balls with his driver and irons? 

Edited April 5, 2021 by grm24

[IronWolf]

1 hour ago, 1putt2win2 said:

wow u got me...cant tell if serious

have you ever heard of the NASA scientist Dave Pelz.

Who wrote over 1000 pages of research on putting.

There are things to be learned about the science of putting.

I am serious because it is true.  

Most amateurs do not take the 2 to 8 foot putts seriously anyway, those are the ones you are most likely to miss due to not understanding dimple design.

according to several researchers.

So yes I am serious?🤓

[Neo1]

LMAO...i putt better with a Prov1X than a Prov1 though! whats going on???

[IronWolf]

Just now, 1putt2win2 said:

LMAO...i putt better with a Prov1X than a Prov1 though! whats going on???

How did you verify that?  You putted 50, 10 footers with each ball, and measured it.? 

You are just making that up.

Perhaps you are saying you like the feel of the Pro V1X,

 

 It certainly depends upon your putter face/insert.

Pro V1X is not too bad ~338 dimples, especially on deep milled faces, or inserts, and Titleist has been softening the ball X cover for the last three iterations to minimize the effect.

I used it for the longest time on the white hot face, which is less much less prone to dimple error.

Ricky has a non-milled flat steel face much more susceptible to dimple error.

I love proV 1X for wedge play. but putting is more important.

I have heard some golf coaches saythey like to choose the highest performance ball for the short game and then deal with the spin numbers on the driver later.

A lot of players these days are focused on their driver and forget to consider their short game impacts of the ball choice

 

 

 

 

[2bGood]

4 hours ago, IronWolf said:

I just recently tried some free TP 5X balls off my Scotty Cameron Newport.

 

I think that is why Ricky Fowler cannot putt anymore.

 

The ball seemed very hard, much more clicky than the Pro V1's  I use,   much more face velocity, shorter dwell time on the face, lower amount of feel.

 

Additionally I noticed the very large dimples cause the ball to go off-line about 1/10 times, you could see the ball jump left or right when it hit the edge of one of those huge dimples.

 

TPX5 only has 320 dimples which means they are very large dinner plates, I noticed the same thing with my Pro V1X, that is why I switched to the Pro V1 last year(388 dimples), they almost never start off line off the putter face.

 

I understand if some company gives you $10 million to play the ball, and you miss one extra putt per round that could very well be worth it.

 

I think he needs to change to a different putter face or change back to the Pro V1.

just an opinion

Do you wear the tinfoil hat when you golf, or just around the house?

 

Edited April 5, 2021 by 2bGood

[rkelso184]

Rickie uses the TP5. 

[grm24]

3 minutes ago, rkelso184 said:

Rickie uses the TP5. 

TM website says otherwise.

 

https://www.taylormadegolf.com/tourplayers/rickie-fowler.html?lang=en_US

 

[rkelso184]

25 minutes ago, grm24 said:

TM website says otherwise.

 

https://www.taylormadegolf.com/tourplayers/rickie-fowler.html?lang=en_US

 

https://www.golfwrx.com/646123/rickie-fowler-witb-2021-new-driver-irons-pretty-much-everything/

 

Changed end of last year over same time Wolff did

[GatorNate11]

This has got to be the most brilliant display of sarcasm ever seen on this website. I can't wait to blame my putting on my golf ball next round. 

[rkelso184]

1 minute ago, GatorNate11 said:

This has got to be the most brilliant display of sarcasm ever seen on this website. I can't wait to blame my putting on my golf ball next round. 

Lol I'll bite! I actually tried the chrome soft X LS last week. Great ball till I had to putt. Was like hitting a rock. I couldn't get the feel with it at all and ended up changing after 3 holes due to the putting. 

[grm24]

48 minutes ago, rkelso184 said:

https://www.golfwrx.com/646123/rickie-fowler-witb-2021-new-driver-irons-pretty-much-everything/

 

Changed end of last year over same time Wolff did

TM site shows Wolff currently plays the TP5. TM site also says RF is currently using the TP5x. Any current proof (not from 3 months old per your link) that RF is still using the TP5 ball?

 

Edited April 5, 2021 by grm24

[rkelso184]

1 hour ago, grm24 said:

TM site shows Wolff currently plays the TP5. TM site also says RF is currently using the TP5x. Any current proof (not from 3 months old per your link) that RF is still using the TP5 ball?

 

Does his personal IG account only promoting the TP5 ball count? 

 

When he switched to TM ball he stated the fact the ball made him drop one iron it was so long and such great spin. He dropped the ball and went back to the tp5. Then changed out his irons and went back to the tp5x and since he has gone back to changing thing up he has again gone back to the TP5. 

 

TM isn't going to promote him changing the ball up as it looks terrible on them when the whole focus on taking one of titleist biggest ball players away was due to the tp5x being better. 

 

Oh and also he doesn't play a retail ball regardless of what is stamped. There are actually 9 TP5 variants on the USGA conforming list. 

[Chip Out Sideways]

Really not sure why the OP is getting such a roasting in this thread. All seems logical to my scientific mind. Also seems odd that a good number of thread on WRX are effectively about the same topic - the science, engineering and  myths of golf equipment.

[rkelso184]

18 minutes ago, Chip Out Sideways said:

Really not sure why the OP is getting such a roasting in this thread. All seems logical to my scientific mind. Also seems odd that a good number of thread on WRX are effectively about the same topic - the science, engineering and  myths of golf equipment.

Sorry if you thought I was against the topic. I actually agree it matters as per my comments about the chrome soft LS ball! I was just stating he doesn't use a TP5x

[Chip Out Sideways]

8 minutes ago, rkelso184 said:

Sorry if you thought I was against the topic. I actually agree it matters as per my comments about the chrome soft LS ball! I was just stating he doesn't use a TP5x

Not you specifically - you were constructive - not sure the same could be said of some of the other posts

[James the Hogan Fan]

5 hours ago, IronWolf said:

have you ever heard of the NASA scientist Dave Pelz.

Who wrote over 1000 pages of research on putting.

There are things to be learned about the science of putting.

I am serious because it is true.  

Most amateurs do not take the 2 to 8 foot putts seriously anyway, those are the ones you are most likely to miss due to not understanding dimple design.

according to several researchers.

So yes I am serious?🤓

 

I am taking this seriously, but offer the following criticisms:

 

As fascinating as this may be, during its path to the hole the ball will track over a couple thousand blades of grass, the thickness of each (and therefore potential effect) much greater than a dimple edge. 

 

Furthermore, the dimple effect is apparently only noticeable on short putts, where the margin for error is greater anyway, as the angle subtended by the hole is greater. In any event the golfer is not capable of aligning the ball with sufficient accuracy relative to the size of a dimple to exert meaningful control over the situation. 

 

If you're telling me that the dimples of a TP5, being perhaps on average a couple thousandths larger than a ProV's, has a noticeable effect on anyone's putting, forgive me for being skeptical.

[rkelso184]

27 minutes ago, James the Hogan Fan said:

 

I am taking this seriously, but offer the following criticisms:

 

As fascinating as this may be, during its path to the hole the ball will track over a couple thousand blades of grass, the thickness of each (and therefore potential effect) much greater than a dimple edge. 

 

Furthermore, the dimple effect is apparently only noticeable on short putts, where the margin for error is greater anyway, as the angle subtended by the hole is greater. In any event the golfer is not capable of aligning the ball with sufficient accuracy relative to the size of a dimple to exert meaningful control over the situation. 

 

If you're telling me that the dimples of a TP5, being perhaps on average a couple thousandths larger than a ProV's, has a noticeable effect on anyone's putting, forgive me for being skeptical.

I might be wrong but I feel his point is that the FIRM ball (taylormade) is causing effects with his putting. I dont see mention of it being the ball construction just the firmness.

 

A firm ball is hard to adjust with putting especially if you are someone who putts with feel.

 

Go get a supersoft. Roll it 20 times and you will quickly come to realise it releases slowly off the putter with minimal launch.

 

Get a rock hard ball and it will click off the face, usually with a higher launch condition which in fact affects the overall roll of the ball and definitely the distance control.

[James the Hogan Fan]

2 hours ago, rkelso184 said:

I might be wrong but I feel his point is that the FIRM ball (taylormade) is causing effects with his putting. I dont see mention of it being the ball construction just the firmness.

 

A firm ball is hard to adjust with putting especially if you are someone who putts with feel.

 

Go get a supersoft. Roll it 20 times and you will quickly come to realise it releases slowly off the putter with minimal launch.

 

Get a rock hard ball and it will click off the face, usually with a higher launch condition which in fact affects the overall roll of the ball and definitely the distance control.

 

Indeed. I absolutely subscribe to the notion that different balls putt differently. When Chrome Softs came out I perceived them as exploding off the putter. I could not keep a 3 footer within 3 feet of the hole. The Wilson Duo has the same effect.

 

But the OP brought up a possible reason being the dimple counts and posted the dimple effect things, and I don't think that has a noticeable effect at all. 

[third-times-a-charm]

5 hours ago, rkelso184 said:

Does his personal IG account only promoting the TP5 ball count? 

 

When he switched to TM ball he stated the fact the ball made him drop one iron it was so long and such great spin. He dropped the ball and went back to the tp5. Then changed out his irons and went back to the tp5x and since he has gone back to changing thing up he has again gone back to the TP5. 

 

TM isn't going to promote him changing the ball up as it looks terrible on them when the whole focus on taking one of titleist biggest ball players away was due to the tp5x being better. 

 

Oh and also he doesn't play a retail ball regardless of what is stamped. There are actually 9 TP5 variants on the USGA conforming list. 

 

I dont know about the other balls Rickie uses, but Taylormade created both versions of the 'umbrella' ball for Rickie. TP5 and TP5x. One is marked with a # 15 and one is marked with a # 1 on it. The TP5 ball was from 2020 and I think in 2021 he's been using the TP5x.

 

Rickie was putting with on the practice green @ Bay Hill last month for the API before his Friday round and it's a TP5x with a black line he marked over the TP5x with a sharpie.

 

I can further confirm it's a 2021 TP5x because it has the new markings around the TP5x from the '21 balls.

Edited April 5, 2021 by third-times-a-charm