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I'm playing these, which are cavity backs.

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Ping Eye 2 are blades, I wouldn't consider them such.

 

Older vintage clubs could be a bit shorter than modern clubs but not much.

 

My old Apex PCs required some solid ball striking to perform, which is why clubs like that are great for range practice but I can't/won't came anymore, those were 30 years ago or more.

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2 minutes ago, GSDriver said:

Ping Eye 2 are blades, I wouldn't consider them such.

 

Older vintage clubs could be a bit shorter than modern clubs but not much.

 

My old Apex PCs required some solid ball striking to perform, which is why clubs like that are great for range practice but I can't/won't came anymore, those were 30 years ago or more.

I was just stunned, comparing the old Pings and Macs to the Pings in my sig.  I can hit my new Pings with consistent gapping and dispersion...even though I have a slice, it's predictable.

 

Focusing specifically on the Macs, like I said above, they only went about 100 yards, until I began playing the ball insanely close to me.

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Agreed, most wouldn't regard Ping irons as blades, cavity back, game improvement sort of thing. Doesn't mean they aren't good clubs, just not blades in the accepted sense.

Thing is, and you may have read this, vintage blades play between 1 and 2 clubs weaker. That means that a modern '8' iron is the same length and loft as an old school 6 iron. So, your 6 iron in the blades set should be the same distance away from you at set-up as your modern 8 .

Otherwise it's exactly the same, just a bit more precise but a lot more rewarding.

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When I still had some vintage blades (Wilson Staff FG17 and some 70's blades), yes they were shorter, but only by a club. Dispersion was greater though. It might depend on your swing - people such as me learnt with persimmon/laminates and blades with heavy steel shafts. If you learnt with titanium, graphites shafts, GI irons it might be more of a shock.

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the older gear is usually a half to an inch shorter than today's clubs, so I set up toward the face center, close my stance a bit and aim a bit toward the right.

also, as other have pointed out, the lofts are weaker than modern.

think of a 28* 5 iron up to a 48* PW.

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3 hours ago, M_B_H said:

....with a very tour level grooved swing....

Are you saying that every 4 handicap player from back in the '70s had a Tour level grooved swing? Cos I can assure you that was far from the case.

As is reported pretty much across the board handicap levels have stayed the same since Adam was a lad in spite of so-called improvements in equipment.

That being the case, something else must be true....and that is that we all swing pretty much the same as we always did.....unless you're a Tour player and they are a different breed of cat.

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Well... Eye 2s are not blades. Definitely GI. I've never hit them because I don't like offset, but they're just irons. In this section of the forum we all play real classic blades like those in my avatar, and I don't think any of us have tour level swings. 

 

Once you adjust to the length and lofts they're just like any other set of irons. 

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22 hours ago, HappyGilmoresBoots said:

I had 2 sets of vintage blades out at a golf sim over the winter:  Ping Eye 2's and MacGregor MCX's.  Couldn't hit them worth a darn.  The numbers back me up, in that the longest iron I hit was about 120 yards, and that was my 7 iron.  The Macs went right, and the Pings went WAY right.

 

Today, I had the Macs out at an outdoor range, and once again, hit every iron PW through 3 right around that 100 yard mark.


Nearing the end of my bucket, I just began swinging wildly out of frustration - nothing to that point had worked, until one shot gave me a nice lil' baby fade, mostly where I aimed it, and 150 yards with my 7 iron.  Playing around a little more, I settled into a groove and actually began shooting shots with nice gapping.  What I was doing differently was setting the ball up substantially closer than normal...closer by about 8".

 

Is that the normal course of action for old-school blades?  Gotta set them up insanely close?

Well, first thing is the older clubs are one to two clubs shorter than current clubs due to loft and length. But Eye 2 irons are actually known to be pretty forgiving. However the ZZ65 shafts that were stock offerings did tend to be very stiff.

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9 hours ago, The Aspidistra in the Hall said:

Are you saying that every 4 handicap player from back in the '70s had a Tour level grooved swing? Cos I can assure you that was far from the case.

As is reported pretty much across the board handicap levels have stayed the same since Adam was a lad in spite of so-called improvements in equipment.

That being the case, something else must be true....and that is that we all swing pretty much the same as we always did.....unless you're a Tour player and they are a different breed of cat.

Thanks for your feedback. The only point I was trying to make was that the sweet spot on vintage blades is about the size of a pea. To hit that spot consistently, you will have to have a pretty grooved swing that repeats time and again. I am by no means a  Tour player or was even close to being one. 

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7 hours ago, hammergolf said:

Well, first thing is the older clubs are one to two clubs shorter than current clubs due to loft and length. But Eye 2 irons are actually known to be pretty forgiving. However the ZZ65 shafts that were stock offerings did tend to be very stiff.

I believe most Eye2s had either NZ+, ZZ-Lite, JZ, or KT-M shafts depending on the year...

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Part of it is when you learned the game and what equipment you learn with---- Everyones AOA is different and many older blade irons have no bounce-= Also weight distribution is different-- I am just the opposite I can not hit most newer CB irons because they have too much bounce for me and a more blunt leading edge. I am strictly a feel player and the weight is too low for me on most modern CB irons throws me off. For me it is sharp edge thin sole butter knives. That is not saying one can not get used to hitting older blade irons but just a perspective

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6 hours ago, TheDeanAbides said:

It's a fallacy that you need to hit the middle to get good results with MBs. They're all different, but the drop off isn't as drastic as you might think. 

I have proved this and this is for me and may not pertain to others---- I have more ball speed and spin hitting blades than I do modern irons. 

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How do you hit vintage blades?

 

I'd say don't swing as fast as you would with modern clubs and concentrate fully on getting the sweet spot onto the ball.

 

While your scoring might never be as good as with modern clubs, after a while your ball striking will be better with vintage clubs than with modern.

 

And remember, it's not all about the score.

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I have never thought it was a big deal, hitting the older clubs.  Though to be clear, I've not played anything older than FG-17s.  78 Staffs are the oldest clubs I own that could see course time.

 

I agree with those saying Eye2 are not in this class.  Their stock shafts might make it less easy for those with moderate swingspeed, but the clubheads themselves are fairly easy.  They're the ultimate ancestor of the CBs we see everywhere now.

 

7 hours ago, TheDeanAbides said:

I feel like it's less about swinging slower than transitioning slower.

 

For me, it might have been this way when I started with my first set, Golden Rams, but once I got things reasonably and relatively grooved, I didn't hold back.  My early days were well in to the hard swinging and overswinging world; I like to describe my old tempo as being reminiscent of a caffeinated angry rhino.

 

Never found the clubs difficult to hit or play.  Maybe I'm more aberrational than I think.  (yes, I really did just say that, LOL)

 

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7 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

I have never thought it was a big deal, hitting the older clubs.  Though to be clear, I've not played anything older than FG-17s.  78 Staffs are the oldest clubs I own that could see course time.

 

I agree with those saying Eye2 are not in this class.  Their stock shafts might make it less easy for those with moderate swingspeed, but the clubheads themselves are fairly easy.  They're the ultimate ancestor of the CBs we see everywhere now.

 

 

For me, it might have been this way when I started with my first set, Golden Rams, but once I got things reasonably and relatively grooved, I didn't hold back.  My early days were well in to the hard swinging and overswinging world; I like to describe my old tempo as being reminiscent of a caffeinated angry rhino.

 

Never found the clubs difficult to hit or play.  Maybe I'm more aberrational than I think.  (yes, I really did just say that, LOL)

 

Even saying that, I bet you don't rush your transition. It might be fast, but it has to be well sequenced to hit the ball hard. 

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1 minute ago, TheDeanAbides said:

Even saying that, I bet you don't rush your transition. It might be fast, but it has to be well sequenced to hit the ball hard. 

 

It's different now than it was, but back then, I still hit with a hard and quick transition.  

 

I actually experimented with Project X 7.0 because of it, at my peak swingspeed.  (hated them, fwiw)

 

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32 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

 

It's different now than it was, but back then, I still hit with a hard and quick transition.  

 

I actually experimented with Project X 7.0 because of it, at my peak swingspeed.  (hated them, fwiw)

 

I'm from a different world. Always been a straight down the middle plodder - Faldo was my hero. 😆

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4 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

I'm from a different world. Always been a straight down the middle plodder - Faldo was my hero. 😆

 

I think it's the baseball background.  I was also a pull hitter in baseball, which is still an occasional problem for me on the tee box, all these years later.   LOL

 

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9 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

 

I think it's the baseball background.  I was also a pull hitter in baseball, which is still an occasional problem for me on the tee box, all these years later.   LOL

 

I think playing righty as a lefty has an impact because I never feel like I'm hitting with my right hand. That and the fact that I played until I could break 80 just hitting 3 iron off the tee before I bought any woods. That just gave me the plotting my way around perspective. 

 

I love playing with guys who just hammer the ball though. 

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I think you might have let the age of the clubs get into your head a little.  There's no reason that you shouldn't be able to hit the Eye 2's about as well as you do your G400's, unless the shaft or lie angle is way off for you.    If you take time to get comfortable I bet they will be fine.  

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As its likely been said, Ping Eye 2 are NOT blades.  MacGregor MCX are more blade like but unique in design.  To hit Vintage MB blades the SWEET SPOT is slightly closer to the heel, away from the actual center of the face. 

 

Also, older blades had dime size sweet spots, as opposed to nickels size on most contemporary blades like my 620MBs.  Typically, sweet spot was slightly higher on the face and closer to the face, as opposed to back and low which is more forgiving.  They were harder to properly strike compared to contemporary MBs, but similar to what I learned with.  Years back they had Butter knife blades too, where were more like my MacGregor blades.  Long, thin blades, no muscle back to speak of and narrow flat soles with really low bounce and no offset, and PW was 50'.

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2 hours ago, Joe S said:

I think you might have let the age of the clubs get into your head a little.  There's no reason that you shouldn't be able to hit the Eye 2's about as well as you do your G400's, unless the shaft or lie angle is way off for you.    If you take time to get comfortable I bet they will be fine.  

I guess, lol

 

The reason I actually ditched the Eye 2's was because they lost distance and consistency on the golf sim, when compared to the Macs.  The Macs lost distance (compared to the G400's), but at least went on a consistent dispersion.  The old Pings are completely out of the question right now; I'm either donating them to my cousin's kid or selling them.

 

I went out to the outdoor range again today, with my G400's, and got consistent gapping (starting about 100 yards with the wedge, and getting about 10 yards further with each club), with just a touch of fade, exacerbated by me not aiming correctly.

 

I still can't get over the Macs and their horrible gapping...the longest club in my bag was about 120 yards at the 7 iron...otherwise, everything went 100.

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3 hours ago, HappyGilmoresBoots said:

I guess, lol

 

The reason I actually ditched the Eye 2's was because they lost distance and consistency on the golf sim, when compared to the Macs.  The Macs lost distance (compared to the G400's), but at least went on a consistent dispersion.  The old Pings are completely out of the question right now; I'm either donating them to my cousin's kid or selling them.

 

I went out to the outdoor range again today, with my G400's, and got consistent gapping (starting about 100 yards with the wedge, and getting about 10 yards further with each club), with just a touch of fade, exacerbated by me not aiming correctly.

 

I still can't get over the Macs and their horrible gapping...the longest club in my bag was about 120 yards at the 7 iron...otherwise, everything went 100.

 

For me a lot of this is what you're used to.  I play blades so when I try a super game improvement iron I swing like I've never swung a club before.  Then usually decide it's not worth making the adjustment.

 

I loaned my brother-in-law a set of 87 Wilson Staffs a few years ago and he said the same thing you did about the MacGregors, they all went about the same distance. 

 

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On 4/7/2021 at 6:27 PM, 14max said:

I believe most Eye2s had either NZ+, ZZ-Lite, JZ, or KT-M shafts depending on the year...

Yes, correct zz lite. The zz65 was later models.

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