P7 MC - hard to hit?

[Stall]

OK, so this isn't a question for the GWR superstars but rather the more normal of us. I play off 6 so I am an ok player - maybe not that good by WRX standards.

 

Anyway, bought the P7MCs back when they were released. When i got fitted I was swinging great that day, but only the 7iron available. I was pipeing this thing, and the data showed i was hitting better, further and more consistent than my 2008 AP2s and the T100s i had them up against. Given how well they were going, i had no hesitation. This was an outdoor range so I could see what was being hit, and not some indoor launch monitor magic.

 

Purchased them, waited the two months or so for covid delays, couldn't play much over the winter......

 

Last month or so i have been giving them real time and effort but I am finding these things so difficult to hit consistent and consistently well. If I'm coming out of shots slightly early/thin, the result is really robbing distance. I'm about ready to throw in the towel with them and sell them. The place I got them from can't get me back in to check them out till end of April due to covid regs.

 

I put my AP2s back in the bag the other day and noticed an instant improvement. Confidence and strike, even on the off strikes.

 

So main question - does anyone here feel they are particularly hard to hit? And how should they compare to my 2008 AP2s and also the T100? 

 

Question 2, is T100 essentially just a straight upgrade on AP2. Same specs shaft, lie etc should result in me being similarly happy?

 

Any feedback much appreciated. This is something that can't be discussed with the wife............

 

 

[gioguy21]

I play off a plus, however -- i've fit a lot of people who have always wanted to move to something that in reality they shouldn't be hitting. 

i have always said that the club you should be playing is the one you would have in your hand, in 18 fairway knowing you're going to hit the green. if the club makes you doubt that -- it's not right for you.

 

i think you're already leaning towards the right decision in that the club you SHOULD be playing is in the T100/AP2 vane. 

wish you luck man - stay safe. 

[third-times-a-charm]

Always get fit for a mix of your best shots AND your worst - and find a median. Fitting for only 'the best' swings and strikes is no bueno. But dont confuse that with me saying to buy SGI shovels instead of players irons. There's always one step up and down in either direction with golf equipment and when you're tired and/or not striking balls well on hole 15 or just having an off-day - having the little bit extra help always works out more in your favor than the other side of the coin.

[Stall]

15 minutes ago, gioguy21 said:

I play off a plus, however -- i've fit a lot of people who have always wanted to move to something that in reality they shouldn't be hitting. 

i have always said that the club you should be playing is the one you would have in your hand, in 18 fairway knowing you're going to hit the green. if the club makes you doubt that -- it's not right for you.

 

i think you're already leaning towards the right decision in that the club you SHOULD be playing is in the T100/AP2 vane. 

wish you luck man - stay safe. 

 

 

Yep, I think my question is more along the lines of are these things meant to be more difficult than my AP2s and T100s or is this in my head?

 

Definitely don't need GI irons, but I like to be able to stand a know I can strike a ball, pretty much on demand which the AP2s allow me to do, but so far the MC's are not playing ball....

 

[HittingBombs]

aren't the T100/ T100S just the Titkeist version the same Players Cavity iron?

 

I would keep persisting with them and it sounds like a mental/swing issue rather the clubs

[Tree Levino]

I'm scratch to +2 depending on time of year and what injuries are bugging me at that point. Average score 73, room to go mid 60s on a good day and can go high 70s on a bad day. A decent putter but not great at holing those pesky birdies in the 10-20 foot range. For example hit 15 GIR yesterday and shot +1 with 31 putts (two foul balls). Point being - I can hit an iron.

 

The long irons in this set are VERY demanding. I swing 7i at 100mph even with that speed they were fine up to 6 but the 4 and 5 I felt no advantage over blades, and at that there are blades that I find much easier to hit. 

Edited April 7, 2021 by TigerInTheWoods

[eric61]

Probably not a helpful response but I have them and I've actually been really pleasantly surprised how easy they are for me to hit and how consistent they've been -- and I'm a high handicapper, though irons/wedges are the best part of my game. My miss is typically a few mm heel-side and I haven't found them to be penalizing me as much as I expected. However, I'm only playing them 6-PW, not the long irons. 

[Hougz79]

I’ve gamed the 712, 716, and 718 AP2 and can very certainly say, yes they are easier to hit than P7MC.  These MCs really remind me of my older MP-60 I gamed for years (with many fond memories).  
 

But at the time I transitioned from my beloved MP-60 to a set of 712 AP2 I got at a great price I was absolutely shocked at how much more forgiving they were.  It was extremely noticeable.

 

I switched back to the MC and a pure forged CB because I miss the pure steel CBs I’ve grown up hitting.  I find the P7MC to be thrilling yet demanding in the long irons.  I’ll be blending my P770 4 and likely 5 irons into my set.

[gioguy21]

1 hour ago, Stall said:

 

 

Yep, I think my question is more along the lines of are these things meant to be more difficult than my AP2s and T100s or is this in my head?

 

Definitely don't need GI irons, but I like to be able to stand a know I can strike a ball, pretty much on demand which the AP2s allow me to do, but so far the MC's are not playing ball....

 

i believe what you're trying to say is has anyone found their misses more often with the MC's than say, an AP2...then answer would be yes, should that person have similar issues to you in finding the middle more often. 

 

[wknomi]

could be the offset. There should be slightly more in the ap2 than the p7mc

[straightshot7]

I was surprised to see on the TaylorMade website that they only give the P7MC 2 stars for forgiveness https://www.taylormadegolf.com/P7MC-Irons/DW-TA156.html?lang=default&cgid=taylormade-irons#lang=default&start=3&

You'd probably be better off in the P-790 or the AP2 or similarly forgiving irons.

[boggyman]

There’s just not enough difference, even with the “tiny” to me cavity to warrant even looking at the MC. I’d just soon have the blade. Photos are the MC and TM blade FWIW.... I could see the MC being somewhat difficult coming from the AP2, not a lot but at the end of a round standing in the fairway on 18 looking ton hit a green with a 4 or 5 iron possibly. Seems to be a popular trend on tour these days that the bigger the easier towards the 3/4 iron slots! And no, I could care less pretty much, buts it’s interesting when playing for a living you’d want easy to hit yet appealing to the eye. Best of luck to you!!

Edited April 7, 2021 by boggyman

[lefthack]

2 minutes ago, boggyman said:

There’s just not enough difference, even with the “tiny” to me cavity to warrant even looking at the MC. I’d just soon have the blade. 

 

If I was going P, it would likely be 3-6 MC and 7-PW MB. But from that angle, maybe full MB. Unless that's the same pic. 🤣

[boggyman]

2 minutes ago, lefthack said:

 

If I was going P, it would likely be 3-6 MC and 7-PW MB. But from that angle, maybe full MB. Unless that's the same pic. 🤣

😂😂😂they’re not the same... MC in top pic, MB in bottom

[Stall]

The other thing is the lie angle. My AP2s are 2 degree upright, these are 1. If i make the conscious effort to hold the handle higher i can get a better strike more frequently but its not comfortable.

 

Can such a small difference in lie angle cause you to miss it a little thin? I should have said that the miss is a thin miss. Not on the ground thin, but just not getting to bottom of the ball.

 

Once things open up in a few weeks i can get the guy who fitted me to look at that aspect as well.

[lefthack]

26 minutes ago, boggyman said:

😂😂😂they’re not the same... MC in top pic, MB in bottom

 

Wow, those are crazy close. Does the MC help THAT much more? Doubt it.

 

I would say those might be a challenge. They would certainly test my skills (and why I haven't tried them, lol). 

[phizzy30]

32 minutes ago, boggyman said:

😂😂😂they’re not the same... MC in top pic, MB in bottom

Looks pretty close to me from the top and bottom.  I'm considered legally blind as my prescription is close to -11 so what do I know, haha. 

[Stall]

26 minutes ago, lefthack said:

 

Wow, those are crazy close. Does the MC help THAT much more? Doubt it.

 

I would say those might be a challenge. They would certainly test my skills (and why I haven't tried them, lol). 

You should see the 4 iron! A razor blade

[Tree Levino]

Here is a pic of the MC 4 iron sole next to the Miura CB-57. The MC makes it look big which it is not. TXG also showed it has very little help. 

Edited April 7, 2021 by TigerInTheWoods

[me05501]

It’s so early in the season. Maybe it’s...user error? 🙂

[toc]

I think hard to hit is the polar opposite question a golfer must ask himself but to each his own.

[Stall]

^ Absolutley, but they certainly dont let me away with anything. Can get by no probs with the AP2s

[bubbagump]

4 minutes ago, Stall said:

^ Absolutley, but they certainly dont let me away with anything. Can get by no probs with the AP2s

 

The T100s are similar ball park of size the P7MC but night and day different in forgiveness.  Yah Yah fit and all that, but head to head the tech and weighting in the T100S are well documented and their assistance on less than perfect swings is very noticeable.  AP2 to T100 should be no prob, even though the T100s are going to be visually smaller.  

[Stall]

9 minutes ago, bubbagump said:

 

The T100s are similar ball park of size the P7MC but night and day different in forgiveness.  Yah Yah fit and all that, but head to head the tech and weighting in the T100S are well documented and their assistance on less than perfect swings is very noticeable.  AP2 to T100 should be no prob, even though the T100s are going to be visually smaller.  

 

 

Thanks, thats what i wanted to hear. Looks like i can get around £600 for these MCs which is a sore £400 sting but will prob be for the best.

[leftylama]

Your experience is similar to mine. Tried different sets and the Srixon Z785 came out on top. Got on the course and struggled big time. Went to T100 and they are way more forgiving than the Srixon and TM P7MC.

[CasualLie]

Similar experience but I cut bait much faster.  P7MC are crazy unforgiving off center.  Not so much offline, but loss of yards.  I don't have any such problem with T100.  I wanted to go T100S, but with the strong lofts, it is just so hard to get the wedge setup to a comfortable place visually and yardage coverage.

 

Really enjoying the T100.

[cw1209]

3 hours ago, Stall said:

The other thing is the lie angle. My AP2s are 2 degree upright, these are 1. If i make the conscious effort to hold the handle higher i can get a better strike more frequently but its not comfortable.

 

Can such a small difference in lie angle cause you to miss it a little thin? I should have said that the miss is a thin miss. Not on the ground thin, but just not getting to bottom of the ball.

 

Once things open up in a few weeks i can get the guy who fitted me to look at that aspect as well.

 

This is exactly where I would start. If you like the way the AP2's work, get the specs checked on both sets to see if there is a significant difference in loft, lie, and swingweight. It is reasonable to assume there would be a difference in strike feel if lie angles are more than 1* different or more than 2 SW points different. This is also assuming total weight is similar in both sets with the same shaft and grips on each set. 

[Stall]

1 minute ago, cw1209 said:

 

This is exactly where I would start. If you like the way the AP2's work, get the specs checked on both sets to see if there is a significant difference in loft, lie, and swingweight. It is reasonable to assume there would be a difference in strike feel if lie angles are more than 1* different or more than 2 SW points different. This is also assuming total weight is similar in both sets with the same shaft and grips on each set. 

 

No idea about the swing weight. Shafts certainly different. The AP2s have PX 5.5 in them. P7.MC have KBS120.

 

Yes, you are correct. Not going to trade them just yet till the guy who fitted me can take a look and check specs etc

[teedub21]

Only on WRX is a 6 just an “ok player”. 😂

[craz-e]

I recently hit the MC's and found them to be no more forgiving than my usual blades. They did impress me a great deal though for feel but I would agree with the majority of the statements being posted in this thread, they are nowhere near the level of forgiveness of an AP2/T100 style head