Jump to content

The “knock down” bag


extrastiff

Recommended Posts

In one of Phil mickelson 2021 masters interviews, he says he considers going game improvement irons  around Augusta because high and spinny/attacking is usually shot of choice. But he uses less forgiving clubs at a lot of other venues cause he is hitting “knock down shots”... taking a couple clubs extra, and taking some speed off it to keep trajectory and spin low so wind and such is less of a factor. 
 

anybody here playing two sets of irons for this reason, or have any thoughts? Are there any other pros that have suggested this philosophy?

 

Radspeed 8, 13.5, 17.5/hzrdusgreentx                                                           Radspeed 21/tz4100m5+
Utility one length 3,4 iron/mmt105tx
                                                              Forged one length 6-9/x100 wedge onyx

vokey 46*8, 54*8, 62*8/s400 wedge onyx                                                    phantom x5/stabilitytour

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Phil is the ultimate WRXer.

 

That said, he actually has the skill to pull this off. I'd say there may be a handful of guys on here who actually have enough skill to do this kind of thing.

  • Like 3

Ping G430 LST 10.5* : Ventus Red TR 7S

Titleist TSR2 4W : Tensei 1K Black 85-S

Mizuno CLK 19*: Ventus Blue HB-8S

Srixon ZX Utility #4: Nippon Modus3 125-S

Wilson Staff CB 5-PW : Nippon Modus3 125-S

Cleveland Zipcore 50, 54, 58: Nippon Modus3 125-S 

Piretti Potenza 370g : Breakthrough Technology Stability Shaft - 34"

Link to comment
Share on other sites

28 minutes ago, jvincent said:

Phil is the ultimate WRXer.

 

That said, he actually has the skill to pull this off. I'd say there may be a handful of guys on here who actually have enough skill to do this kind of thing.

Pull what off? Knock down shots? Or switch between sets?

 

 I feel most scratch/plus cappers have at least some grasp of it how to do both of those things. Yea def not majority but good amount of peeps I’m sure. 
 

 my question is more around the equip to pull it off. SGI clubs typically launch higher, spin more. So in theory, having two sets makes sense if u play wind some days, no wind others, right?

Edited by extrastiff

Radspeed 8, 13.5, 17.5/hzrdusgreentx                                                           Radspeed 21/tz4100m5+
Utility one length 3,4 iron/mmt105tx
                                                              Forged one length 6-9/x100 wedge onyx

vokey 46*8, 54*8, 62*8/s400 wedge onyx                                                    phantom x5/stabilitytour

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, extrastiff said:

Pull what off? Knock down shots? Or switch between sets?

 

 I feel most scratch/plus cappers have at least some grasp of it how to do both of those things. Yea def not majority but good amount of peeps I’m sure. 
 

 my question is more around the equip to pull it off. SGI clubs typically launch higher, spin more. So in theory, having two sets makes sense if u play wind some days, no wind others, right?

I meant to pull it off two very different swing styles consistently.

 

One or two knock downs in a round is fine. Being able to keep switch from a natural, grooved, swing to a completely different one from round to round and keep it up is much harder.

Ping G430 LST 10.5* : Ventus Red TR 7S

Titleist TSR2 4W : Tensei 1K Black 85-S

Mizuno CLK 19*: Ventus Blue HB-8S

Srixon ZX Utility #4: Nippon Modus3 125-S

Wilson Staff CB 5-PW : Nippon Modus3 125-S

Cleveland Zipcore 50, 54, 58: Nippon Modus3 125-S 

Piretti Potenza 370g : Breakthrough Technology Stability Shaft - 34"

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, jvincent said:

I meant to pull it off two very different swing styles consistently.

 

One or two knock downs in a round is fine. Being able to keep switch from a natural, grooved, swing to a completely different one from round to round and keep it up is much harder.


Agreed

 

Very few people in the world of golf can do this and purposely have two bags to do it 

  • Like 1

PRDYMTC TOUR  9.8° + CQ6 / MVRKTC 15° + UB6 / MVRKTC 18° + UB8 G430 26°@25+ IZ95 / FRGD TEC5-G + MODUS115 / MD5TC / SPDR EXTC + GPS

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This just seems like Phil being Phil and over thinking something.  He is talented enough that if he wanted to hit it higher, he would just hit it higher.  It is almost like trying to give yourself an excuse for poor play with the clubs he is supposed to be the most comfortable with.

  • Like 4

A Revolving Door

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, jvincent said:

I meant to pull it off two very different swing styles consistently.

 

One or two knock downs in a round is fine. Being able to keep switch from a natural, grooved, swing to a completely different one from round to round and keep it up is much harder.

Ok. 
 

If anyone has experience with seeing/playing different bags in windy conditions let’s hear it!

Edited by extrastiff

Radspeed 8, 13.5, 17.5/hzrdusgreentx                                                           Radspeed 21/tz4100m5+
Utility one length 3,4 iron/mmt105tx
                                                              Forged one length 6-9/x100 wedge onyx

vokey 46*8, 54*8, 62*8/s400 wedge onyx                                                    phantom x5/stabilitytour

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have more success with smaller short irons (7-PW) ... and I hit a load of knockdowns ... it’s my preferred shot inside 155

 

i have 9 sets of irons right now but no full set of SGI

  • Like 1

Ping G400 LST 11* Ventus Black TR 5x

Ping G400 3w 15.1* GD AD IZ 5x

Ping G400 7w 19.5* Ventus Red 6x 

Ping G425 4h 22* Blueboard HY 80x

Ping i210 6i & s55 7i - PW Steelfiber 110s

Ping Glide Wrx 49*, 54*, 59*ES, Tour W 64* SF 125s

EvnRoll ER9
 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I definitely have a few clubs that I'll switch around if I know it's going to be a blustery day, one of my favorite courses can get winds some days of about 30km/hr blowing constant with gusts up by to 60km/hr. The 15° fairway wood gets knocked out for either a 13° or a 12.5°, and I may drop a wedge to put in a P790 UDI just to cut under the wind, use a driver and accidently launch it too high, you'll stand around waiting for it to land a few holes away once the wind is done with it. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

30 minutes ago, PEI_Golfer said:

This just seems like Phil being Phil and over thinking something.  He is talented enough that if he wanted to hit it higher, he would just hit it higher.  It is almost like trying to give yourself an excuse for poor play with the clubs he is supposed to be the most comfortable with.

We all agree no one is just “mistake free.” we also all agree launch and results are better with sgi clubs when mistake are made. And it seems many you tubers and golfwrxers agree the idea that blades offer shapability that chunky clubs do not is a myth. Unless we are talking low-shots. 
 

so it seems they only thing we don’t all agree on is that plus handicappers can play a kids set if they want to. The idea that Pros cannot play well with two different head-types with identical shaft/grip/weight characteristics seems far-fetched to me.

And the statement that not all of them can hit great knock-down shots is an obvious one. But many of them can, and a lot of people win in the wind because of it. 

 

here are my questions for the room

 

-do people think any + handicaps would have a hard time switching bags around? I have not found it to be something that destroys my scores or anything

 

-do you beleive if Phil wanted to hit the knockdown with sgi clubs, he could? Basically,do you think sgi clubs could offer pros a better option, If they could hypothetically swing as effectively as their current set? Or is his point that they don’t translate in a lot of situations valid?

-would you ever consider a bag setup specifically for weather/environmental  conditions?

 

Edited by extrastiff

Radspeed 8, 13.5, 17.5/hzrdusgreentx                                                           Radspeed 21/tz4100m5+
Utility one length 3,4 iron/mmt105tx
                                                              Forged one length 6-9/x100 wedge onyx

vokey 46*8, 54*8, 62*8/s400 wedge onyx                                                    phantom x5/stabilitytour

Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 minutes ago, LUXOR54 said:

I definitely have a few clubs that I'll switch around if I know it's going to be a blustery day, one of my favorite courses can get winds some days of about 30km/hr blowing constant with gusts up by to 60km/hr. The 15° fairway wood gets knocked out for either a 13° or a 12.5°, and I may drop a wedge to put in a P790 UDI just to cut under the wind, use a driver and accidently launch it too high, you'll stand around waiting for it to land a few holes away once the wind is done with it. 

For sure, I know iron for 5 wood, changing lofts, driver shafts, all those are common switches. I’m thinking more about the irons and wedges, using equipment that is either more forgiving on nice days or more flighted on tough days. That type of thing

Edited by extrastiff

Radspeed 8, 13.5, 17.5/hzrdusgreentx                                                           Radspeed 21/tz4100m5+
Utility one length 3,4 iron/mmt105tx
                                                              Forged one length 6-9/x100 wedge onyx

vokey 46*8, 54*8, 62*8/s400 wedge onyx                                                    phantom x5/stabilitytour

Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 minutes ago, cardoustie said:

I have more success with smaller short irons (7-PW) ... and I hit a load of knockdowns ... it’s my preferred shot inside 155

 

i have 9 sets of irons right now but no full set of SGI

So you have not really tried knockdowns with sgi is what I’m getting from that. 
 

I just switched to them, and have decided I love them. About to try some knockdown practice stuff on gcquad tomorrow, see if it is difficult

 

  • Like 1

Radspeed 8, 13.5, 17.5/hzrdusgreentx                                                           Radspeed 21/tz4100m5+
Utility one length 3,4 iron/mmt105tx
                                                              Forged one length 6-9/x100 wedge onyx

vokey 46*8, 54*8, 62*8/s400 wedge onyx                                                    phantom x5/stabilitytour

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I can hit it high and “knock it down” with my clubs. Only 1 set needed. 
 

lots of range time fixes this issue 

  • Like 2

Callaway triple Diamond paradym 9*- hulk 60tx 

Callaway paradym triple diamond - hulk 70tx 

Titleist TSi3 20* hybrid Matrix Black Tie 90x 
Srixon zx7mkii 456 / ZForgedii 789P- MMT 125tx 
Cleveland RTX6 50/54/ S400 TI Onyx 
Vokey Wedgeworks 60* V-grind 
Tri-hot double wide 
Link to comment
Share on other sites

A look at Phil's 2020 bag showed a couple of Epic Forged irons (5i and 6i from the looks of it) in his bag with some Apex Pro Forged cavity backs from, I think, 7i to PW. He also carried an 18* X-forged UT driving iron*. So, I'm guessing that by GI he is referring to the Epic Forged irons, which are hollow bodied, or something similar to them.

 

I don't have a ton of experience with hollow body irons, but I don't think they're the easiest to hit knock-downs with. A very good golfer I play occasionally with recently bought a set of the TM 790 irons, and he said the problem was they went too far and he had trouble controlling distance. Previously, I think he was playing the Cally X-22 irons, which are GI or SGI, so he was essentially comparing the hollow 790s to them.

 

I've hit mostly hollow-bodied long irons, and I find them to be quite low spin, so if the short irons are similarly low spin (compared to similarly lofted cavities or blade short irons), then I imagine it would make knock down shots a little unpredictable.

 

But, this is Phil we're talking about. One of the best of best. I'm sure he could manage it.

 

*Interesting set-up, but then again, I'd expect nothing more from him. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

44 minutes ago, extrastiff said:

For sure, I know iron for 5 wood, changing lofts, driver shafts, all those are common switches. I’m thinking more about the irons and wedges, using equipment that is either more forgiving on nice days or more flighted on tough days. That type of thing

 

If it's windy, I might choose irons with heavier shafts, either S400 or even X100. 

 

If I'm playing a course where I know the greens are firm, I'll try to bag a 60* wedge, which usually means playing an older iron set with a 49/50* PW.

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Phil's a thinker and tinkerer.  I feel as though on this one, he's overthinking it.  He's already won 3 Masters with mbs if my memory serves me right.  Why change?  Yes the GI irons will help him hit higher and possibly more spin, but has been a phenomenal iron player for most of his career.  I did see that the course is set up to be more difficult this year because of DJ sooooooo...........

Edited by phizzy30

Callaway AI Smoke Paradym 💎💎💎9* - Tour AD VF-7TX

TM SIM ti 15* - Diamana GT 80TX

TM Tour Issue Rescue 11 TP Deep Face Proto 16* - Ventus Black HB 9TX

New Level NLU-01 21* - KBS Hybrid Proto 105X

New Level 623-M 5-PW - MMT 125TX

Miura Tour 54* HB - KBS 610 125 S+, New Level SPN forged M-grind 58* - KBS Tour 130X

Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport 2

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 hours ago, extrastiff said:

Pull what off? Knock down shots? Or switch between sets?

 

 I feel most scratch/plus cappers have at least some grasp of it how to do both of those things. Yea def not majority but good amount of peeps I’m sure. 
 

 my question is more around the equip to pull it off. SGI clubs typically launch higher, spin more. So in theory, having two sets makes sense if u play wind some days, no wind others, right?

SGI clubs should fly higher but they spin less than "Players" clubs. 

 

I remember listening to Padraig Harrington on a podcast and he said he had 2 sets of irons and the reasoning was 1 set was designed to spin more than the other based on course set up.

 

Edited by Simmer7
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I play on a course that is a links style course right off of the Gulf of Mexico...Palmilla Beach in Port Aransas.

 

The wind is a constant and every day is knock down day.

 

Hitting a knock down is not rocket surgery...just play the ball a bit back, take one or two more clubs, 3/4 smooth swing and it is done.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The disagreement isn't whether a tour pro can hit SGI or GI clubs well, whatever that means. It's that many choose not to.

 

Having stock shots you can repeat under pressure are key. That requires trust in the clubs.

 

You think pros check into the tour vans and tell them " just give me a stock set"?

 

Generally saying every tour pro could

play any type of club successfully on tour is a blanket statement that doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

 

Tiger went through how iterations to get his set just right?

 

 

 

Edited by tannyhoban
Tupo
Link to comment
Share on other sites

59 minutes ago, tannyhoban said:

The disagreement isn't whether a tour pro can hit SGI or GI clubs well, whatever that means. It's that many choose not to.

 

Having stock shots you can repeat under pressure are key. That requires trust in the clubs.

 

You think pros check into the tour vans and tell them " just give me a stock set"?

 

Generally saying every tour pro could

play any type of club successfully on tour is a blanket statement that doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

 

Tiger went through how iterations to get his set just right?

 

 

 

no one is asking if they could or could not hit them. I’m asking if anyone has experience hitting knockdowns with sgi, or if they think they launch too high to make that a good approach. 
 

Just seems like a useful thing to consider, irons that play easier. As long as they can be played in the wind. If not, having another set seems smart.  I have not had any issue switching between sets with identical shafts and grips and weights. I doubt Phil does either, with that in mind. I’m not playing for millions, but do not find myself analyzing what club head I’m using when I step up to a pressure shot. 
 

I also have not really tried knockdown shots with the sgi clubs, so we shall see. 
 

No one said they could play any type of club “on tour,” or that they would play with a stock set.  But the idea that they could not simply switch out head design, such as Phil is suggesting, does not seem that ludicrous. 
 

now if seems your argument is “it’s such a high level, only the “most comfortable” set will do”. I get that argument. 

Edited by extrastiff

Radspeed 8, 13.5, 17.5/hzrdusgreentx                                                           Radspeed 21/tz4100m5+
Utility one length 3,4 iron/mmt105tx
                                                              Forged one length 6-9/x100 wedge onyx

vokey 46*8, 54*8, 62*8/s400 wedge onyx                                                    phantom x5/stabilitytour

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, OsnolaKinnard said:

I play on a course that is a links style course right off of the Gulf of Mexico...Palmilla Beach in Port Aransas.

 

The wind is a constant and every day is knock down day.

 

Hitting a knock down is not rocket surgery...just play the ball a bit back, take one or two more clubs, 3/4 smooth swing and it is done.

 

 

It seems We all agree that knockdowns are not that difficult. But not the point of the thread 🙂

  • Like 2

Radspeed 8, 13.5, 17.5/hzrdusgreentx                                                           Radspeed 21/tz4100m5+
Utility one length 3,4 iron/mmt105tx
                                                              Forged one length 6-9/x100 wedge onyx

vokey 46*8, 54*8, 62*8/s400 wedge onyx                                                    phantom x5/stabilitytour

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 hours ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

A look at Phil's 2020 bag showed a couple of Epic Forged irons (5i and 6i from the looks of it) in his bag with some Apex Pro Forged cavity backs from, I think, 7i to PW. He also carried an 18* X-forged UT driving iron*. So, I'm guessing that by GI he is referring to the Epic Forged irons, which are hollow bodied, or something similar to them.

 

I don't have a ton of experience with hollow body irons, but I don't think they're the easiest to hit knock-downs with. A very good golfer I play occasionally with recently bought a set of the TM 790 irons, and he said the problem was they went too far and he had trouble controlling distance. Previously, I think he was playing the Cally X-22 irons, which are GI or SGI, so he was essentially comparing the hollow 790s to them.

 

I've hit mostly hollow-bodied long irons, and I find them to be quite low spin, so if the short irons are similarly low spin (compared to similarly lofted cavities or blade short irons), then I imagine it would make knock down shots a little unpredictable.

 

But, this is Phil we're talking about. One of the best of best. I'm sure he could manage it.

 

*Interesting set-up, but then again, I'd expect nothing more from him. 

No I think Phil would only use the sgi if he did not have to hit knock downs at all, was my understanding at least

Radspeed 8, 13.5, 17.5/hzrdusgreentx                                                           Radspeed 21/tz4100m5+
Utility one length 3,4 iron/mmt105tx
                                                              Forged one length 6-9/x100 wedge onyx

vokey 46*8, 54*8, 62*8/s400 wedge onyx                                                    phantom x5/stabilitytour

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Simmer7 said:

SGI clubs should fly higher but they spin less than "Players" clubs. 

 

I remember listening to Padraig Harrington on a podcast and he said he had 2 sets of irons and the reasoning was 1 set was designed to spin more than the other based on course set up.

 

Spin is getting closer on certain models, but also I think my swing speed keeps spin pretty high on both based on really nonscientific testing. Not sure if that is a real thing.

Radspeed 8, 13.5, 17.5/hzrdusgreentx                                                           Radspeed 21/tz4100m5+
Utility one length 3,4 iron/mmt105tx
                                                              Forged one length 6-9/x100 wedge onyx

vokey 46*8, 54*8, 62*8/s400 wedge onyx                                                    phantom x5/stabilitytour

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 hours ago, phizzy30 said:

Phil's a thinker and tinkerer.  I feel as though on this one, he's overthinking it.  He's already won 3 Masters with mbs if my memory serves me right.  Why change?  Yes the GI irons will help him hit higher and possibly more spin, but has been a phenomenal iron player for most of his career.  I did see that the course is set up to be more difficult this year because of DJ sooooooo...........

Why change? The same reason Kevin na, Rickie, sneds,Bryson etc play cavity backs. Plus he’s not getting any younger.  I’m not yet his age and I definitely can appreciate not having to swing very hard for some good distance and forgiveness and height and spin

Edited by extrastiff
  • Like 1

Radspeed 8, 13.5, 17.5/hzrdusgreentx                                                           Radspeed 21/tz4100m5+
Utility one length 3,4 iron/mmt105tx
                                                              Forged one length 6-9/x100 wedge onyx

vokey 46*8, 54*8, 62*8/s400 wedge onyx                                                    phantom x5/stabilitytour

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, extrastiff said:

No I think Phil would only use the sgi if he did not have to hit knock downs at all, was my understanding at least

 

Ah, yeah, I see what you mean.

 

Interesting concept. I probably wouldn't go to GI all the way down to PW, but I could see the value of them in the 4i to, say 8i even. 

 

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

 

Ah, yeah, I see what you mean.

 

Interesting concept. I probably wouldn't go to GI all the way down to PW, but I could see the value of them in the 4i to, say 8i even. 

 

 

I feel you. I’m still waiting for some of my pitching wedge shots to come down. 

  • Haha 1

Radspeed 8, 13.5, 17.5/hzrdusgreentx                                                           Radspeed 21/tz4100m5+
Utility one length 3,4 iron/mmt105tx
                                                              Forged one length 6-9/x100 wedge onyx

vokey 46*8, 54*8, 62*8/s400 wedge onyx                                                    phantom x5/stabilitytour

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This comes with the caveat that I'm not scratch, but a mere seven-ish player...

 

I'm under the impression that SGI/GI irons hit with lower spin, not more.  They do seem to hit the ball higher, though.  Source is personal experience on launch monitors, with whatever CBs I've hit in comparison to whatever blades I've hit.  <shrug>

 

I haven't gone the Phull Phil, and altered my sets for conditions, but I *did* switch from Mizuno MS-11 blades to a GI iron, Eye2+, specifically because of spin (amusingly, I ignored launch angle).  I was accustomed to getting killed in the wind, and on a lark, I checked out a set of Eye2+ in my specs.  The Eye2+ spun the ball considerably less, 6 iron at 5900-6100 rpm vs 7000-7200 rpm. 

 

The result was essentially a 12 month long version of an incomplete application of PMick's idea; I played the Pings for that 12 month period.  I got great wind results, I found I could ignore breezes I had to club for with the Mizunos.  I found I hit the ball higher, but the lower spin prevented me from getting crushed by that wind.  I found I hit the ball farther, loft for loft, due to the lower spin and higher launch.  Up to a point, which brings me to...

 

I found an increased distance gap between my 9i and PW.  My 9i went farther, but my PW largely did not.  I didn't investigate the reasons, but my supposition is that it was related to the increased launch angle finally getting to a point where it cost me a bit.  Spent a lot of time working on that, never got it ironed out.

 

Also had a fair adjustment period with the larger clubheads of the Pings.  It took me a while to get to the point where I would not toe hit everything; the larger clubhead made me set up farther from the ball.  Funny Human Tricks.

 

Amusingly, in spite of the better wind play, my scores didn't improve.  Also amusingly, I found my scores DID improve when I switched away from the Pings, to Ram Tour Grinds.  Go figure.

 

TLDR...  it can work, but can create other issues, likely player dependent.

 

edited to add:  I *did* try a short term version of this a few years ago, a couple times taking the Pings out on windy days.  One round was OK, but the other was a complete disaster, possibly because of the above mentioned mental adjustments I have to make in switching to a larger clubhead.

 

 

Edited by NRJyzr
  • Like 1

The Ever Changing Bag!  A lot of mixing and matching
Driver: TM 300 Mini 11.5*, 43.5", Phenom NL 60X -or- Cobra SpeedZone, ProtoPype 80S, 43.5"

Fwy woods: King LTD 3/4, Rogue Black 75X -or- TM Stage 2 Tour 3w, NV105 X -or- TEE E8 Beta 12*, Rogue Silver 70X
Hybrid:  Cobra King Tec 2h, MMT 80 S -or- TEE CBX 17*, HZRDUS 85 6.0

2 iron:  Arias D-23, Modus3 120 S; Mizuno MP-20 HMB, NS Pro 950 R

Irons grab bag:  1-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; 1-PW Golden Ram TW282, RIP Tour 115 R; 2-PW Golden Ram Vibration Matched, NS Pro 950WF S; testing: Arias D-23 5i w/Modus 120 S
Wedges:  Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, SteelFiber i125 S -or- Scratch 8620 DD 53*, SteelFiber i125 S; Cobra Snakebite 56* -or- Wilson Staff PMP 58*, Dynamic S -or- Ram TW282 SW -or- Ram TW276 SW
Putter:  Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34" -or- Cleveland Huntington Beach #1, 34.5" -or- Golden Ram TW Custom, 34" -or- Rife Bimini, 34" -or- Maxfli TM-2, 35"
Balls: Chrome Soft, Kirkland Signature 3pc (v3), Wilson Triad

Grip preference: various GripMaster leather options or Star Grip Sidewinders of assorted colors

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, extrastiff said:

no one is asking if they could or could not hit them. I’m asking if anyone has experience hitting knockdowns with sgi, or if they think they launch too high to make that a good approach. 
 

Just seems like a useful thing to consider, irons that play easier. As long as they can be played in the wind. If not, having another set seems smart.  I have not had any issue switching between sets with identical shafts and grips and weights. I doubt Phil does either, with that in mind. I’m not playing for millions, but do not find myself analyzing what club head I’m using when I step up to a pressure shot. 
 

I also have not really tried knockdown shots with the sgi clubs, so we shall see. 
 

No one said they could play any type of club “on tour,” or that they would play with a stock set.  But the idea that they could not simply switch out head design, such as Phil is suggesting, does not seem that ludicrous. 
 

now if seems your argument is “it’s such a high level, only the “most comfortable” set will do”. I get that argument. 

That is essentially what I am saying. They make a choice and stick with it.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not a "good" golfer and play GI irons. However, when at work demonstrating to a group how Topgolf scoring works my go-to shot is a knock down. It shows the group (usually non golfers) that you don't need a full swing to move the ball and be accurate. My go-to shot is a half swing punch/knock down with an 8i to the center of the green target, 90 yards. I can nail this shot all day long. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Our picks

    • 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Discussion and links to Photos
      Please put any questions or Comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Monday #1
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Monday #2
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #1
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #2
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Thorbjorn Olesen - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Ben Silverman - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jesse Droemer - SoTX PGA Section POY - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      David Lipsky - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Martin Trainer - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Zac Blair - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jacob Bridgeman - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Trace Crowe - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jimmy Walker - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Daniel Berger - WITB(very mini) - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Chesson Hadley - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Callum McNeill - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Rhein Gibson - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Patrick Fishburn - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Peter Malnati - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Raul Pereda - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Gary Woodland WITB (New driver, iron shafts) – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Padraig Harrington WITB – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Tom Hoge's custom Cameron - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Piretti putters - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Ping putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Kevin Dougherty's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Bettinardi putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Erik Barnes testing an all-black Axis1 putter – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Tony Finau's new driver shaft – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
       
      • 7 replies
    • 2024 Valspar Championship WITB Photos (Thanks to bvmagic)- Discussion & Links to Photos
      This weeks WITB Pics are from member bvmagic (Brian). Brian's first event for WRX was in 2008 at Bayhill while in college. Thanks so much bv.
       
      Please put your comments or question on this thread. Links to all the threads are below...
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 31 replies
    • 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Matt (LFG) Every - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Sahith Theegala - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Cameron putters (and new "LD" grip) - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Bettinardi MB & CB irons - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Bettinardi API putter cover - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Swag API covers - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Golf Pride Reverse Taper grips - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 15 replies
    • 2024 Cognizant Classic - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #1
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #2
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #3
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Brandt Snedeker - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Max Greyserman - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Eric Cole - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Carl Yuan - WITb - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Russell Henley - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Justin Sun - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alex Noren - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Shane Lowry - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 2 replies
    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      • 22 replies

×
×
  • Create New...