Foley hate?

[Pops99]

On a zoom call over the winter with some Canadian teaching pros, Foley admitted that he used to say things to sound smart when he was a younger coach. Says he’s really worked to tone it down and make it easier to understand. Not sure if he has but kind of confirms what a lot of you are saying on here about the way he taught/teaches. 

[golfing_penguin]

The only thing I don't understand is the murse hate. Are all the murse haters American? Why can't he have a bag for lunch/drink/camera?

 

Whoosh if I missed the sarcasm

[Holy Moses]

16 hours ago, grm24 said:

LOL! Ok. Did Foley force Tiger into these swing changes he proposed? Did Foley force Tiger to take him on as an instructor? Tiger chose Foley as his instructor. Tiger on his own went along with the changes Foley suggested. Same as Tiger did with all of his other swing instructors he went to. So explain to everybody how it's Foleys or Hank's or Como's fault that Tiger decided to go with these people as his instructors and screw him up when Tiger went to them on his own. Did you actually read the article on Foley I linked? Foley has had players that have had zero issues with their backs under his tutelage. Of course you and others skip over that.

When you decide to coach a player and they trust your method, you take responsibility for actions that may hurt their backs. Of course it's not 100% on Foley or Tiger individually, but I never said it was. A coach is only bad for backs if every single player they coach ends up getting a bad back? I never made that point. The point I made is that Foley has an abnormally high number of players that wind up with bad backs with him. That's serious cause for concern if you are coaching professional golfers. 

[sshadow2]

 

On 4/9/2021 at 10:25 AM, pinhigh27 said:

Fair enough, didn’t see that. Rose had said he split from him last year. 

 

Watched the "On the Range" broadcast on Masters.com, they said Rose left, tried some things, and then came back to Foley. Foley was with Rose on the range on Friday for sure (didn't watch today's broadcast).

[stingerfade]

he matches his glasses with his polos buttoned up all the way. So he has multiple pairs. His hair with that forced part. And look at his Instagram, he really thinks something of himself. Napoleon complex. Pedantic would be an economy of words compared to his ramblings. He thinks he’s more woke or something because he went to a black college and got introduced to hip hop. Hate is strong but he might be the most annoying guy ever. 

Edited April 11, 2021 by stingerfade

[MMB1500]

Has there ever been a Foley student that hasn't been out with back knack at some point or other? 

[sshadow2]

I think there is too much instruction where the back (or knee) is vulnerable. I wouldn't blame Foley. Could have been compensation for his (Tiger) knee issues. Issues that started with Butch.

 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/11/tiger-woods-200-swing-butch-harmon-hank-haney

 

Under Butch, Tiger's swing looked amazing but not even Tiger could swing like that forever.

 

I think Rose knows better than anyone about what he needs and what his body can handle.

Edited April 11, 2021 by sshadow2

[One Putter]

I mean, just look at the guy.

[grm24]

4 hours ago, Holy Moses said:

When you decide to coach a player and they trust your method, you take responsibility for actions that may hurt their backs. Of course it's not 100% on Foley or Tiger individually, but I never said it was. A coach is only bad for backs if every single player they coach ends up getting a bad back? I never made that point. The point I made is that Foley has an abnormally high number of players that wind up with bad backs with him. That's serious cause for concern if you are coaching professional golfers. 

So lots of words and nothing proved. Of all of the players Foley has had an instructor over time what players went to Foley with no verifiable back issues that left him because he caused them back issues with his teachings? Professional touring golfers are all bad backs waiting to happen due to the nature of the game and what toll it takes on the players. 

[iNeedMoreGolf]

I think the players thought he was matt damon and new how to golf at a high level. Hes too scientific and spin numbers. Science aint helping me whack the ball. Why does tiger need a instructor anyway when hes a swing wizard?

[indianagolf2]

Rose still sees him

[MUNIGRIT]

The real truth why people hate the Foley, Ledbetter, Pelzer, etc comes down to the same answer. Envy/jealousy

[stingerfade]

6 minutes ago, MUNIGRIT said:

The real truth why people hate the Foley, Ledbetter, Pelzer, etc comes down to the same answer. Envy/jealousy

Not true at all. Everyone doesn’t have to like everyone. Who’s Pelzer?? 😂

[MUNIGRIT]

3 hours ago, stingerfade said:

Not true at all. Everyone doesn’t have to like everyone. Who’s Pelzer?? 😂

Pelz auto correct. Yes you don't but the amount of hate they get is predominantly jealousy that they are making huge money doing it. Its not just golf plenty of people get hate/trolls from that area.

[stingerfade]

3 minutes ago, MUNIGRIT said:

Pelz auto correct. Yes you don't but the amount of hate they get is predominantly jealousy that they are making huge money doing it. Its not just golf plenty of people get hate/trolls from that area.

I have zero envy or jealousy towards any of the people you mentioned. That’s a fact. 

[MUNIGRIT]

On 4/9/2021 at 5:31 AM, Holy Moses said:

“Did some of the stuff we do put Tiger’s back under too much stress? Maybe.” Maybe, huh. When Foley admits this, you know it’s a bigger problem than he’s letting on. It’s not just Tiger that has had this problem with him.

We could get you a job in the media by cherry picking that one line va the whole quote.

 

"Well, he did and we’re not. Who cares? Did some of the stuff we do put Tiger’s back under too much stress? Maybe. Was that on purpose? No, but during that same time we got Stephen Ames, Justin Rose and Danny Willett all out of serious back pain. Hindsight’s useless. I don’t really reflect. The goal is to maintain where we are, which is the present."

Edited April 11, 2021 by MUNIGRIT

[RobotDoctor]

7 hours ago, MUNIGRIT said:

The real truth why people hate the Foley, Ledbetter, Pelzer, etc comes down to the same answer. Envy/jealousy

 

Just because someone doesn't care for a golf instructor doesn't mean hate.  This is one of the most over used, ridiculous and meritless descriptions used to describe someone who doesn't agree with a narrative.  Envy/Jealousy .... give me a frickin' break.  Maybe a more ridiculous statement yet.

 

I don't care for Foley because I don't agree with his philosophy and the apparent back issues his students seem to get.

Edited April 11, 2021 by RobotDoctor

[straightshot7]

4 hours ago, MUNIGRIT said:

The real truth why people hate the Foley, Ledbetter, Pelzer, etc comes down to the same answer. Envy/jealousy

does the same apply to famous athletes, politicians, etc?

 

If you don’t find one of them appealing, it’s rooted in jealousy? 
 

Or does that only apply to swing coaches?

 

I don’t “hate” Foley, but I think some of his swing philosophies are wrong and damaging. 

[RobotDoctor]

40 minutes ago, MUNIGRIT said:

Pelz auto correct. Yes you don't but the amount of hate they get is predominantly jealousy that they are making huge money doing it. Its not just golf plenty of people get hate/trolls from that area.

 

You're joking with this comment, yes?  With regard to Pelz, I have read his book and tried to follow his philosophy.  My putting deteriorated because of what I read and the techniques he taught.  I became too mechanical and lost my feel.  Until I abandoned the Pelz philosophy and went back to my roots (a slight open stance like Jack Nicklaus) did my putting improve.  I have worked on my putting very hard in the past 10 years and now am putting as well as I ever have, which is not like what Pelz mentions in his book, at least not my core putting philosophy.  I do love Pelz putter clip training aids and use them to hone my stroke.  That is one thing I do love about Pelz.  Does this mean I hate Pelz or am jealous of him or have envy.  Absolutely not.

Edited April 11, 2021 by RobotDoctor

[dlygrisse]

On 4/8/2021 at 6:08 PM, Christosterone said:

I will never forgive him altering tigers chipping...

That’s tantamount to painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa...

 

-chris

He had him doing that extreme shaft lean/diggy thing on all shots. It was sort of a Crap and Tilt and a TGM hybrid while spending a lot of time standing on the range in front of TV cameras staring through oversized hipster glasses, wearing a murse and the pontificating on TGC, and Golf Digest. All the while destroying the short game and full swing of arguably the greatest player ever. He doubled down by acting like he was smarter than Harmon and Haney, while quoting Ghandi and sporting a dorky haircut and a pretentious “trying too hard” tattoo and attire. 
 

 

Edited April 11, 2021 by dlygrisse

[stingerfade]

1 hour ago, dlygrisse said:

He had him doing that extreme shaft lean/diggy thing on all shots. It was sort of a Crap and Tilt and a TGM hybrid while spending a lot of time standing on the range in front of TV cameras staring through oversized hipster glasses, wearing a murse and the pontificating on TGC, and Golf Digest. All the while destroying the short game and full swing of arguably the greatest player ever. He doubled down by acting like he was smarter than Harmon and Haney, while quoting Ghandi and sporting a dorky haircut and a pretentious “trying too hard” tattoo and attire. 
 

 

Forgot about the tattoo. Lol. Prob has one that says “strength” in Chinese characters somewhere too 

[Holy Moses]

1 hour ago, MUNIGRIT said:

We could get you a job in the media by cherry picking that one line va the whole quote.

 

"Well, he did and we’re not. Who cares? Did some of the stuff we do put Tiger’s back under too much stress? Maybe. Was that on purpose? No, but during that same time we got Stephen Ames, Justin Rose and Danny Willett all out of serious back pain. Hindsight’s useless. I don’t really reflect. The goal is to maintain where we are, which is the present."

Hindsight isn't useless if people keep on get hurt with your methods and you don't change or care to change them. 

[Choclab]

22 hours ago, stingerfade said:

he matches his glasses with his polos buttoned up all the way. So he has multiple pairs. His hair with that forced part. And look at his Instagram, he really thinks something of himself. Napoleon complex. Pedantic would be an economy of words compared to his ramblings. He thinks he’s more woke or something because he went to a black college and got introduced to hip hop. Hate is strong but he might be the most annoying guy ever. 

He does Crossfit.  You just know he does.

[Soloman1]

22 hours ago, stingerfade said:

 Hate is strong but he might be the most annoying guy ever. 

 

Might be?

[Obee]

On 4/8/2021 at 3:36 PM, MUNIGRIT said:

Why do people hate Sean Foley? Because of his work with Tiger that Tiger wanted to make his swing look like Rose?

Because under Foley, Tiger started hitting these tuggy over the top cuts to left pins, which he very rarely hit before Foley. I hated watching him try to fit cuts into left pins far more often than he used to.

 

At least that was my impression.

[Shilgy]

27 minutes ago, Obee said:

Because under Foley, Tiger started hitting these tuggy over the top cuts to left pins, which he very rarely hit before Foley. I hated watching him try to fit cuts into left pins far more often than he used to.

 

At least that was my impression.

You do impressions too?!?! 😄 Will you post some on here? Something tells me you can do pretty good swing impressions.

[ChipNRun]

On 4/8/2021 at 5:36 PM, MUNIGRIT said:

Why do people hate Sean Foley? Because of his work with Tiger that Tiger wanted to make his swing look like Rose?

 

Reality check for all WRXers: Foley doesn't care it you hate him or not. Nor does Patrick Reed.

[RobotDoctor]

34 minutes ago, ChipNRun said:

 

Reality check for all WRXers: Foley doesn't care it you hate him or not. Nor does Patrick Reed.

 

True but there are some members here who think the world hinges on their opinions.  I know my opinions and a dollar won't buy a cup of coffee.  I am ok with that.

[MUNIGRIT]

4 hours ago, stingerfade said:

Forgot about the tattoo. Lol. Prob has one that says “strength” in Chinese characters somewhere too 

I think it says blessed!

[MUNIGRIT]

1 hour ago, Obee said:

Because under Foley, Tiger started hitting these tuggy over the top cuts to left pins, which he very rarely hit before Foley. I hated watching him try to fit cuts into left pins far more often than he used to.

 

At least that was my impression.

That was Tigers choice though. Tiger hit him up because he liked his work with Rose. I dont think anyone calls up Tiger and says I want to be your swing coach. He has to approach you.