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Sigh.     Miami Dolphins Assistant coach and NFL Hall of Fame nominee... who never kicked a ball in his life.

Who cares?    How do you define great? Michael Jordan isn't the best basketball coach or GM.    I think instructors should be good or have been good at some point, like scratch or

Robert Rock is the most recent one that comes to mind 2 eurotour wins. And still plays a pretty full schedule while having a decent sized roster of euro players that he coaches 

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Who cares? 

 

How do you define great? Michael Jordan isn't the best basketball coach or GM. 

 

I think instructors should be good or have been good at some point, like scratch or better but there's no reason they need to be an elite pro. Usually if you are interested enough to become a good coach then you can also do it yourself and if you hit the ball well you're probably scratch or better. 

 

It's probably detrimental to some degree in terms of playing ability to know about the swing. I think if you're trying to be as good of a player as you can be, it's better to be woefully naive and just do what your coach says. Knowing too much can be dangerous for trying to play your best. There's a reason people talking about playing golf vs playing golf swing. 

 

Other sports would probably do well to adopt coaches who don't have elite playing ability, you see it in NBA where you have more coaches who didn't play in NBA themselves. It's foolish thinking that you need to have been a great player to be a great coach. Most prior great players would be horrible coaches. 

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Jack Grout, who taught jack Nicklaus, played on the Tour and was a friend of Ben Hogan and Byron Nelson.

 

Butch Harmon played, or tried to play the Tour for awhile.  His father, a fine teacher, won the Masters.

 

Grant Waite, who has coached Patty Tavatanakit, played on the Tour.  Pete Cowan played on the European Tour.

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As far as I know, the only well known teacher that was a pretty good player was Claude Harmon since he was a Masters Champion.  His son Butch is an ok golfer himself but had waaay more success teaching other pros.

 

In general, most well known teachers were mediocre players. 

 

You know the saying, those that can't do...teach.

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11 hours ago, gvogel said:

Jack Grout, who taught jack Nicklaus, played on the Tour and was a friend of Ben Hogan and Byron Nelson.

 

Butch Harmon played, or tried to play the Tour for awhile.  His father, a fine teacher, won the Masters.

 

Grant Waite, who has coached Patty Tavatanakit, played on the Tour.  Pete Cowan played on the European Tour.

I think Butch won a tour event.

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Depends on how you define "great" I guess... Dave Stockton, Grant Waite, Stan Utley, Jim Estes are just a few who were top level players and won tour events.  There are others out there who teach at the private club level.

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On 4/9/2021 at 6:09 AM, pinhigh27 said:

Who cares? 

 

How do you define great? Michael Jordan isn't the best basketball coach or GM. 

 

I think instructors should be good or have been good at some point, like scratch or better but there's no reason they need to be an elite pro. Usually if you are interested enough to become a good coach then you can also do it yourself and if you hit the ball well you're probably scratch or better. 

 

It's probably detrimental to some degree in terms of playing ability to know about the swing. I think if you're trying to be as good of a player as you can be, it's better to be woefully naive and just do what your coach says. Knowing too much can be dangerous for trying to play your best. There's a reason people talking about playing golf vs playing golf swing. 

 

Other sports would probably do well to adopt coaches who don't have elite playing ability, you see it in NBA where you have more coaches who didn't play in NBA themselves. It's foolish thinking that you need to have been a great player to be a great coach. Most prior great players would be horrible coaches. 

Plenty of good to great teaching pros that aren't even close to scratch nor were they in their younger years.  Well, around here anyway.  Being scratch or better for them would be a bonus, but unnecessary as long as they have a good understanding of the golf swing and can fix their students' swing flaws.  This is purely my opinion though.   

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The UK John Jacobs was a great player and teacher.

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17 minutes ago, MikekiM said:

Chris Riley is a golf coach at USD.  Played in a Ryder cup, so had some success on tour.  Not a swing coach, but I'm sure there's a little of that still going on for him.

plus Chris is one of the nicest guys you would ever want to meet, his wife also played the LPGA Futures circuit after she graduated from college, she is also a phenomenal person...Chris was inducted into the Southern NV Sports HOF, after having a stellar college All American career at UNLV

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