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I decided to do a personal shootout between the new SIM 2 and SIM Max drivers. Both are 9* heads and we’re setup in their standard loft configuration. This was not meant to be a fitting session or scientific experiment. I’ve purchased a lot of gear and simply wanted to test stuff out and smack a few drives down range. I tested each head with the following shafts, which were all 45”: 

 

1 - HZRDUS Smoke Blue RDX, 6.5 flex, 60g

2 - HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX, 6.5 flex, 70g

3 - VA Nemesys, x flex, 65g

 

The bottom line is my performance was better with the SIM 2. For whatever reason I just could not get the same performance out of the Max. I’ve watched every YouTube review saying the SIM 2 and Max are basically identical, but that wasn’t the case for me. At least, the wasn't the case with the RDX Blue shaft. The results were very similar with the RDX Black, however I couldn't stop the Max from turning left. My numbers are below. Please keep in mind I’m an 18 handicap, and I’m taking lessons. As such, no need to rip inconsistencies, I’m doing my best 😀. The numbers are purely for illustrative purposes. 
 

Regarding the shafts, the Nemesys couldn’t hang with either RDX. Again, contrary to reviews of the Nemesys I’ve seen, in my hands it didn’t feel like an ultra high balance point shaft. It wasn’t as unique as I expected and didn’t produce crazy results. As I did hit it the worst it’s certainly possible the counter balance aspect was the culprit and could be resolved by adding head weight. I didn’t measure swing weight, I just screwed the shaft in and let it rip. In terms of feel I’d say it’s exactly in between the RDXs. It does have a lively kick, but not as much as the Blue, and while stiff, it’s softer than the Black. 
 

In my hands the performance of the RDX shafts were very similar. Dispersion was better with the Black, but I much preferred the feel of the Blue. The Black kind of stays with the swing and has limited flex, kick, or any sensation of loading. However, the Blue was the complete opposite. The Blue provided lots of feel, load, and kick. The RDX Blue feels identical to my Ventus Blue. In a blind test I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. I still want to test the RDX shafts, but if I had to chose today, I’d choose the Blue based on feel. 
 

Anyway, I thought I’d share my first impressions. Hope this helps and I’m always happy to discuss further. 

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you hit the ball with that kind of speed, that average dispersion, those launch characteristics, and you're an 18?   how bad is your putting? dude 🤣

The SIM 2 HZRDUS Smoke Black was the winner.    While I loved the feel of the Blue, and still much prefer it to the Black, it simply was not as consistent. Before making my final decision I

I decided to do a personal shootout between the new SIM 2 and SIM Max drivers. Both are 9* heads and we’re setup in their standard loft configuration. This was not meant to be a fitting session or sci

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Great write up Cactus!  Glad you found the driver that works for you!  With those carry distances, 18 handicap will be in your rear view mirror real quick!

 

I myself have been contemplating trying the Sim 2, but the original Sim and the TSi3 drivers are just so good they're giving just about perfect numbers.

 

Where did you get this shootout done at? Or do you have a GC2/Quad ?

 

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17 minutes ago, gibbiesmalls said:

Great write up Cactus!  Glad you found the driver that works for you!  With those carry distances, 18 handicap will be in your rear view mirror real quick!

 

I myself have been contemplating trying the Sim 2, but the original Sim and the TSi3 drivers are just so good they're giving just about perfect numbers.

 

Where did you get this shootout done at? Or do you have a GC2/Quad ?

 


The shootout went down at my local PGA Superstore. For $100 per year you get unlimited use of their semi private practice bays which are equipped with Foresight launch monitors. It’s a pretty sweet deal. 
 

I tried the original SIM but couldn’t produce enough spin. The TSI3 however is phenomenal. I have one with a Ventus Blue and I get nearly identical results of the SIM 2. In my hands the SIM 2 is just a bit more forgiving. Also, it’s kind of weird but physiologically I have a hard time committing to the TSI3. The “players” and “traditional” marketing terms makes me feel like I’m not good enough yet to join the Titleist family. 

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The shootout went down at my local PGA Superstore. For $100 per year you get unlimited use of their semi private practice bays which are equipped with Foresight launch monitors. It’s a pretty sweet deal. 
 

I tried the original SIM but couldn’t produce enough spin. The TSI3 however is phenomenal. I have one with a Ventus Blue and I get nearly identical results of the SIM 2. In my hands the SIM 2 is just a bit more forgiving. Also, it’s kind of weird but physiologically I have a hard time committing to the TSI3. The “players” and “traditional” marketing terms makes me feel like I’m not good enough yet to join the Titleist family. 

It's funny you should say that about Titleist.... it's also the reason why I never played them. In fact the TSI3 driver is my first ever Titleist club (I've been playing 13 years, and am down to a 2.7 hcp).

 

That and the fact that I've never liked seen a Titleist club (prior to the TSI3) that caught my eye.  I've never liked the looks of any of their irons. 

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Doesn't have anything to do with the test as your numbers are impressive for sure. But it looks like the MAX head is cracked on the bottom.

DRIVER -    Taylor Made Sim 2 - 9* | 🔥🔥KHT AUTOFLEX SF505🔥🔥
3 WD -        Taylor Made Sim Max 14* | Ventus Red Regular 
HYBRIDS-   PXG Gen 2 -  2/3/4 | Accra Tour 100i Stiff
IRONS -       PXG Gen 4 -  0311XP 5 - GW | Mitsubishi MMT 80 Stiff
WEDGES -  Ping Stealth Glide 2.0 54-12 / 58-06 Wedges | Wedge Flex
GRIPS -       JUMBOMAX XL ULTRALIGHT grips on ALL 
PUTTER -   PXG ☠️One and Done☠️w/JUMBOMAX 17" FLAT
BAG -           PXG Staff Bag
BALLS -       Snell MTB Black / Pro V1

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8 hours ago, Cactus Jack said:


The shootout went down at my local PGA Superstore. For $100 per year you get unlimited use of their semi private practice bays which are equipped with Foresight launch monitors. It’s a pretty sweet deal. 
 

I tried the original SIM but couldn’t produce enough spin. The TSI3 however is phenomenal. I have one with a Ventus Blue and I get nearly identical results of the SIM 2. In my hands the SIM 2 is just a bit more forgiving. Also, it’s kind of weird but physiologically I have a hard time committing to the TSI3. The “players” and “traditional” marketing terms makes me feel like I’m not good enough yet to join the Titleist family. 

You really shouldn't put yourself in a box when it comes to equipment like that.  What I mean is that if the club gives you excellent numbers, game it!  Doesn't matter if you're a scratch or 20 handicap.  Yes the TSi3 isn't as forgiving as some of the other drivers out there but it's a damn good driver and you seem to get along with it.  Your LM numbers look great.  Also, I have to ask.  Is it just me or is that SIM 2 MAX head cracked??? 

TM SIM 2, 8* w/Ventus Black 7x

TM SIM 15* w/TB 80x

TM Tour Issue Deep Face Ghost Proto TP 2 HB  w/Thump 105x

New Level NLU-01 21* w/KBS Proto 105x

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35 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

You really shouldn't put yourself in a box when it comes to equipment like that.  What I mean is that if the club gives you excellent numbers, game it!  Doesn't matter if you're a scratch or 20 handicap.  Yes the TSi3 isn't as forgiving as some of the other drivers out there but it's a damn good driver and you seem to get along with it.  Your LM numbers look great.  Also, I have to ask.  Is it just me or is that SIM 2 MAX head cracked??? 


Sorry for the poor pic of the Max. The Max is not cracked, it’s picking up a reflection from the overhead lights. All is good with the Max. 
 

I hear you about not boxing myself in. Trust me, I give everything a fair shot, however my expectations are high. Performance comes first, but after that all the little things come into play. For example, the Ping G425 was cut based on looks and sound, Ironically the Mizuno STZ was cut over feel, Cobra due to the goofy colors and marketing to 20 year olds. The long story short I need to be all in on equipment, anything other than that I start to lose confidence. For now, the SIM checks all the boxes and actually inspires confidence.
 

I do have an Epic Max LS on my work bench waiting in the wings. That will be my next shootout....

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6 minutes ago, Cactus Jack said:

I do have a quick question regarding launch numbers. Looking at the detail I noticed my peak height averages 120 feet. Should I attempt to get that closer to 100 feet? Maybe pick up an 8* head? 

Your launch angle is fine.  Your apex is a bit high.  I had the same issue along with higher than ideal launch which is why I went with the SIM 2 8 degree.  Brought my launch angle down 2 to 3 degrees and my apex down to about 80 to 100 feet. 

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TM SIM 15* w/TB 80x

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New Level NLU-01 21* w/KBS Proto 105x

New Level 623-M 5-PW w/MMT 125 TX

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Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport 1

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Cactus Jack said:

I do have a quick question regarding launch numbers. Looking at the detail I noticed my peak height averages 120 feet. Should I attempt to get that closer to 100 feet? Maybe pick up an 8* head? 

watch the tour, those big bombers (not stupid Bryson) are all around 110-120. as long as its not ballooning and is landing at 35* or so, to hit it that far, you're going to have to hit it at a certain height. physics of ballistics trajectories.

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34 minutes ago, mxskier said:

watch the tour, those big bombers (not stupid Bryson) are all around 110-120. as long as its not ballooning and is landing at 35* or so, to hit it that far, you're going to have to hit it at a certain height. physics of ballistics trajectories.

 

Average peak height and land angle were:

 

SIM RDX Blue: 120 feet, and 38.8*

 

SIM RDX Black: 117 feet, and 38.8*

 

My worst swings produced:

 

SIM RDX Blue: High/Low: 141/84 feet, 44.4*/29.5*

 

SIM RDX Black: High/Low: 141/84, 44.4*/29.8*

 

It's scary how similar the results of the RDX shafts are, while feeling totally different. Engineering is pretty cool. 

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those numbers are perfect. don't change loft of club.

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Excellent detail.  I’ve got a similar experience, but my experience is just straight out gaming both drivers. I was one of the pre-orders for the SIM2 Max, after playing the SIM Max last year.  I play at least 3 times a week, so I had quite a bit of experience with the 2 Max.  But I started reading more about the “regular” SIM2, so I hit it at the golf shop, and ended up trading last years Max and a couple of other clubs for this years SIM2...so now I have both the SIM2 and the SIM2 Max.  

Of course I have my own aftermarket shaft, so my experiences are strictly based on the head difference.  

 

The thing that stands out the most to me is that the SIM2 is not “low launch” for me.  It launches about the same as the 2 Max.  The forgiveness is the same - I might even say the SIM2 may be more forgiving if either one is more.  The SIM2 reminds me of last years Max - it’s head seems larger than last years Max.  It’s forgiveness SEEMS better than last years Max.  
 

As far as distance is concerned, I may be getting a few more yards with the SIM2 over the 2Max, but it’s not eye popping.  I like the regular SIM2 because it looks better to me at address, and I seem to be hitting straighter shots with it as opposed to the 2 Max.

 

Both are great drivers - but if you think you need the 2 Max because it offers more forgiveness or is easier to hit, you may want to rethink that.

 

By the way, the SIM2 Max HL 3 wood is a rocket launcher! Don’t sleep on that club - it’s performing amazingly for me, and I’ve been a 5 wood guy for years because of inconsistency with 3 woods.

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Great write up Cactus!  Curious why the 70g Black vs 60g Blue.  Do you think a 60g Black would have yielded different results? Thanks!  I'd like to try the RDX Black to get a comparison myself.

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On 4/15/2021 at 10:08 PM, Cactus Jack said:

I decided to do a personal shootout between the new SIM 2 and SIM Max drivers. Both are 9* heads and we’re setup in their standard loft configuration. This was not meant to be a fitting session or scientific experiment. I’ve purchased a lot of gear and simply wanted to test stuff out and smack a few drives down range. I tested each head with the following shafts, which were all 45”: 

 

1 - HZRDUS Smoke Blue RDX, 6.5 flex, 60g

2 - HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX, 6.5 flex, 70g

3 - VA Nemesys, x flex, 65g

 

The bottom line is my performance was better with the SIM 2. For whatever reason I just could not get the same performance out of the Max. I’ve watched every YouTube review saying the SIM 2 and Max are basically identical, but that wasn’t the case for me. At least, the wasn't the case with the RDX Blue shaft. The results were very similar with the RDX Black, however I couldn't stop the Max from turning left. My numbers are below. Please keep in mind I’m an 18 handicap, and I’m taking lessons. As such, no need to rip inconsistencies, I’m doing my best 😀. The numbers are purely for illustrative purposes. 
 

Regarding the shafts, the Nemesys couldn’t hang with either RDX. Again, contrary to reviews of the Nemesys I’ve seen, in my hands it didn’t feel like an ultra high balance point shaft. It wasn’t as unique as I expected and didn’t produce crazy results. As I did hit it the worst it’s certainly possible the counter balance aspect was the culprit and could be resolved by adding head weight. I didn’t measure swing weight, I just screwed the shaft in and let it rip. In terms of feel I’d say it’s exactly in between the RDXs. It does have a lively kick, but not as much as the Blue, and while stiff, it’s softer than the Black. 
 

In my hands the performance of the RDX shafts were very similar. Dispersion was better with the Black, but I much preferred the feel of the Blue. The Black kind of stays with the swing and has limited flex, kick, or any sensation of loading. However, the Blue was the complete opposite. The Blue provided lots of feel, load, and kick. The RDX Blue feels identical to my Ventus Blue. In a blind test I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. I still want to test the RDX shafts, but if I had to chose today, I’d choose the Blue based on feel. 
 

Anyway, I thought I’d share my first impressions. Hope this helps and I’m always happy to discuss further. 

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Any update on which one has won the spot in the bag?

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The SIM 2 HZRDUS Smoke Black was the winner. 

 

While I loved the feel of the Blue, and still much prefer it to the Black, it simply was not as consistent. Before making my final decision I hopped on a GC Quad to collect club head data, and while the shafts were close the Black took the win. My strike point with the Blue fell toward the bottom of the club face, and upon switching to the Black my strike point raised by ~4mm. As a result, on this particular day, the improved strike location produced a 2mph jump in ball speed too.  

 

However...I can't leave good enough alone. I'm currently testing an EPIC Max LS, which is producing the same raw numbers but gives me the ability to dial in ball flight. Early results show improved dispersion. Another shootout might be on the way 🙂 . BUT, it’s going to take a monster performance to knock the SIM out of the bag as I just hit the longest documented drive of my life!

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