What up with Matthew Wolff?

[chigolfer1]

On 6/20/2021 at 8:19 AM, Titleist84 said:

Another keyboard warrior.  Please explain it to me then, if he is unhappy but at the same doesn't want to change his situation then how unhappy can he be or what can give him more satisfaction?

 

Just getting to this debate but what do you mean?   I think taking off two months off in the middle of the PGA season shows a pretty big willingness to change his situation so to speak.

 

And, then, instead of just staying silent and coming back, my take is he thought it might help other people by speaking up to reduce the stigma on seeking help for mental health issues.   Just to be clear, are you saying he shouldn't have talked about it and stayed silent on it?

Edited June 21, 2021 by chigolfer1

[ChristopherMcDonald]

On 6/20/2021 at 11:46 AM, Big GG said:

Yes part of a team sport. With one of the loneliest positions in sports where everyone is looking at you. A position that has a very similar mindset. Are you saying that other guys in team sports should never have anxiety issues? Issues being away from family and friends? Issues with finances? Personal issues at home? Issues with their performance? 

If I had to guess, sounds like you were a pitcher. Or kicker. I know NFL kickers love their golf

 

Edited June 21, 2021 by ChristopherMcDonald

[TiScape]

23 hours ago, ALIF said:

Kicker in the NFL?

I’ve heard the guys that actually need the helmets don't even consider the kickers part of the team. 😂 

[TiScape]

2 hours ago, Potatohead said:

 

This is what I was thinking, with the initials GG

Big GG=Big Goalie Guy. Final answer. Goalie “the loneliest position” in sports. 😉 

Edited June 22, 2021 by TiScape

[MtlJeff]

Well, Kicker is definitely the loneliest position in sports--And i would know LOL. I never made millions doing it but was one of the top rated recruits at the position some years ago. The guy ranked after me in the scouting reports the year i came out made 30-40M in the league. But hey, what can you do. I have a lot of "likes" on GolfWRX --Things worked out just fine for MtlJeff

 

On topic -- Everyone is different. Wolff is 22. I didn't even get my first corporate job until i was 23 and i wasn't very mature then. He seems like a genuine guy and i wish him the best. He obviously must have some mental toughness to talk about stuff like this, and then go out and contend at the toughest tournament there is

 

Some guys don't talk about their problems and it works for them, others do. Wolff doesn't seem fake. I hope he has a nice career and figures things out. World would be a worse place if no one developed personally and professionally after age 22.

[MtlJeff]

17 minutes ago, TiScape said:

I’ve heard the guys that actually need the helmets don't even consider the kickers part of the team. 😂 

 

They don't and that's what i always hated about it. I gave up basketball and soccer to kick because it gave me the best chance of playing pro sports. I have always regretted it and i was miserable kicking. it's hard to go from all-city basketball and playing for the provincial soccer team to getting told by backup offensive guards that you aren't an athlete.

[TiScape]

10 minutes ago, MtlJeff said:

Well, Kicker is definitely the loneliest position in sports--And i would know LOL. I never made millions doing it but was one of the top rated recruits at the position some years ago. The guy ranked after me in the scouting reports the year i came out made 30-40M in the league. But hey, what can you do. I have a lot of "likes" on GolfWRX --Things worked out just fine for MtlJeff

I wouldn’t argue with anyone saying kicker, goalie or pitcher is the loneliest position in sports… And “But hey, what can I do. I have a lot of likes on GolfWRX!”. Funny! Think of all the NFL kickers making 30-40M that can’t say that! 😉 😂 

[MtlJeff]

Just now, TiScape said:

I wouldn’t argue with anyone saying kicker, goalie or pitcher is the loneliest position in sports… And “But hey, what can I do. I have a lot of likes on GolfWRX!”. Funny! Think of all the NFL kickers making 30-40M that can’t say that! 😉😂 

 

I've got nothing to complain about at the end of the day. I enjoy telling the story to be honest, i'd like to meet the kicker i'm talking about one day just so i can tell him how often i mention him in my stories of past glory.

 

I've done fine. But as Mr Burns once said : "i'd trade it all for a little more"

[Titleist84]

On 6/20/2021 at 9:59 AM, Titleist84 said:

Sounds like it's you not thinking it all the way through.  Sure have the conversation about mental health or unhappiness, please don't try to bottle it up, but what comes after this conversation?  You either realize your current situation isn't so bad and you continue about your life or you make a change in an attempt to find what you are looking for.  That change may not work and the process starts over again.

 

2 hours ago, chigolfer1 said:

 

Just getting to this debate but what do you mean?   I think taking off two months off in the middle of the PGA season shows a pretty big willingness to change his situation so to speak.

 

And, then, instead of just staying silent and coming back, my take is he thought it might help other people by speaking up to reduce the stigma on seeking help for mental health issues.   Just to be clear, are you saying he shouldn't have talked about it and stayed silent on it?

Sounds like you went straight to the last page and made that comment, but I quoted what I said yesterday so you don't have to go backwards.

[chigolfer1]

28 minutes ago, Titleist84 said:

 

Sounds like you went straight to the last page and made that comment, but I quoted what I said yesterday so you don't have to go backwards.

 

Fair enough. But, again, he did make changes/effort to address it.  I don't know what you think the two months off was about?  Maybe I am misunderstanding your point.

[betarhoalphadelta]

On 6/20/2021 at 9:52 AM, Titleist84 said:

I guess I don't get it then, I'll continue to live in reality with a career I look forward to going into most mornings, a marriage that has its ups and downs, a golf game that will never get me on tour, but the occasional birdie keeps me coming back for more after 24 years of playing.

 

See I realize life isn't perfect or meant to be enjoyed every hour of every day.  You need the bad times to appreciate the good ones.  I started out as a busboy in high school, that motivated me to work hard in college so I didn't have to do that the rest of my life.  But I realize I could have had it a lot worse, I could have been drafted in the military and thrown on the front lines in war.

 

I think people like Matt Wolff need to take a step back and realize just how lucky he has it playing golf for a living. Or like I have said multiple times, he should look for something else.  He's back playing golf so looks like nothing else was a better option.

 

This is what people don't understand about depression. 

 

Imagine you have a job that is intellectually fulfilling and pays very well. You have a good marriage. Three kids who are getting along great in school, are polite and well-behaved, and everyone fawns over. A rambunctious puppy who always finds funny things to do. Enough money to travel, to buy golf clubs whenever you want, generally a great life all around...

 

...and you're still depressed. 

 

Can you imagine what that feels like? I assume it's one thing to point at all the crappy things in life and blame them for depression, but can you imagine having a great life and STILL being depressed? When everyone looks at you and feel like they'd be happier to be in your situation, but you're in that situation and you're not happy? When you KNOW you're lucky to be able to do what you do [and be paid what you're paid to do it] but you're still not happy? 

 

If you have everything you ever dreamed of and you're not happy, can you imagine the hopelessness of trying to "change" your situation by dreaming for something else? It didn't work the first time you got what you wanted...

 

I've battled depression on and off through my life. The last year has been rough [although I feel myself breaking out of it a little now], despite quite literally everything being great in my life. I'm not 22; I'm 42, so it's not like I am still a kid or lack perspective. 

 

You're right when you say "I guess I don't get it then". That's not an insult or an attack. It's that your brain simply doesn't know how to comprehend the situation. Which is fine, and frankly I'm happy that you DON'T deal with this. But it also means that you don't have a frame of reference to understand, and because of that don't even understand why people who have dealt with this get miffed when you say "well he should just realize how lucky he is"... That doesn't make depression go away, which you'd understand if you'd ever dealt with depression. 

[Dannyboy44]

Depression is a real thing and I respect this kid for being honest and dealing with it in the public eye. Happy his game is back on track as well. 

Edited June 22, 2021 by Dannyboy44

[BeerPerHole]

On 4/23/2021 at 1:51 PM, snagy2000 said:

He's young and the last year has been really tough on him in various ways. Enough said! 

I listened to the commentary and especially his own comments pretty carefully recently. In sport and in life I've seen many, many young men his age go through a rough patch. One at my old boxing gym didn't make it. 23 years old. I went through something similar when suffering a very bad injury at 22. Just something I've seen over and over with friends' kids, etc. For some reason things can get emotionally challenging for guys around that age. Don't know the details as to why. I can imagine it's tough living his lifestyle at 20 or so, too. I'm pulling for the kid. Love watching him play, too.

[golfandfishing]

On 6/22/2021 at 8:53 AM, Dannyboy44 said:

Depression is a real thing and I respect this kid for being honest and dealing with it in the public eye. Happy his game is back on track as well. 

I’m not a Wolff fan and can’t say I pay attention to him much - but did he say he was diagnosed with depression? Sorry if I missed that earlier in the thread, but all I heard from Wolff in the clips show last week was that he was trying to be happy and needed a break. I didn’t hear him say he was depressed or had depression. 

[tacklingdummy]

I think Wolff can be one of the top players, but I think his mental game is not helping him. At the US Open, he was -2 at the #9 hole and really was still in it.  After he hit a poor second shot (pulled left hook) on #9 (par 5), he got really angry and frustrated. He could have really made a run at it in the final holes, but you could visibly see his anger and frustration getting the better of him in the final holes.  The guy can play and is one of the longer guys on tour. 

[ALIF]

He’s young. He will figure it out. It may take a few more years.