Title update. Tiger: From crutches to golf swings

[bscinstnct]

6 hours ago, dlygrisse said:

I fractured my tib and fib several years ago, not compound, but lets just say my leg had some angles in it you never want to see.....steel plate screws etc.  I was walking on it gingerly after 3 months.  At 5 months I was moving freely with some discomfort and a limp but playing golf and doing most daily activities.  This with minimal rehab except for walking.  

 

Should we be concerned that Tiger is still on crutches?  Most bone breaks and surgeries heal at around 3 months to the point you should be able start functioning normally.  

 

Oof, happy ye recover.

 

I think some TWs bones like vaporized. If he’s just whole and walk around make a cut at Augusta, wave to the crowd, that’s a win.

 

If he can compete, I’d be shocked but who knows.

 

But pretty sure he won’t be doing this again ; )

 

 

[bladehunter]

3 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

 

What does this mean?

 

🤣

Theirs was not to make reply  ,

Theirs was not to reason why ,

Theirs but to do and die.

Into the valley of Death 

Rode the six hundred .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

😂 I really am not sure.  I take it to mean that a religion that doesn’t  make a person treat all things kinder  isn’t one worth keeping ......But I’m only an amateur philosopher.....

I’ve thought he may have been on the sauce for that one.  I just meant overall a wise man. ( not wise-guy 😂).  He had a common sensical way of looking at things that I admire.  In other words 99% of the time whne he spoke it was dripping with substance.  Very little bloviation if any from him.   

Edited July 31, 2021 by bladehunter

[bscinstnct]

45 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Theirs was not to make reply  ,

Theirs was not to reason why ,

Theirs but to do and die.

Into the valley of Death 

Rode the six hundred .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

😂 I really am not sure.  I take it to mean that a religion that doesn’t  make a person treat all things kinder  isn’t one worth keeping ......But I’m only an amateur philosopher.....

I’ve thought he may have been on the sauce for that one.  I just meant overall a wise man. ( not wise-guy 😂).  He had a common sensical way of looking at things that I admire.  In other words 99% of the time whne he spoke it was dripping with substance.  Very little bloviation if any from him.   

I like that interpretation of the Lincoln quote!
 

As far as that poem,

 

It sounded familiar but I didn’t recall it. But…

 

Reminds me when I was in HS and workin in the mobbed up Italian restaurant.

 

The head chef was the owners son. Owner was like 5’10 350, he could have them make him a lobster or exquisite pasta but he’d sit around eating Mortadella (Italian Baloney).

 

On a Saturday night there would be like 300 a la carte diners, it was a zoo. The kitchen had like 5 stoves and fortunately, as a lowly busboy, I never had to go back behind the stoves. Well, only occasionally I did to bring the chef his giant cup of soda (coke and 7up mixed) and I swear it was about 900* back there, think I fainted. 
 

The owner would be screaming out the orders. Every order was preceded by “MFin” as in..

 

”I need a MFin veal parm!” “Where’s my MFin Alfredo?!” Crazy in the kitchen. 

 

Id just bring out the bread, flirt with peoples wives, and clear the bread crumbs. 
 

So, one time, to get back to your poem, I asked the head chef, 

 

“Why do you drink coke and 7up?”

 

He looked at me. Not a good thing cause he was completely insane, he was in Nam and I don’t think he was all there before he went.

 

And he says,

 

”Why? Yours is not to question “why”?”

 

And now, like 35 years later, you made me realize,

 

He was referencing that poem!

 

 

[dlygrisse]

4 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Oof, happy ye recover.

 

I think some TWs bones like vaporized. If he’s just whole and walk around make a cut at Augusta, wave to the crowd, that’s a win.

 

If he can compete, I’d be shocked but who knows.

 

But pretty sure he won’t be doing this again ; )

 

 

Who knows what’s going on in his ankle joint. My doc told me I was lucky the fracture quit spiraling right above the joint. He may have limited mobility in that ankle forever. I know for a fact he will have pain, swelling, stiffness for the rest of his life. It’s just a matter of how much. 

[bladehunter]

42 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

I like that interpretation of the Lincoln quote!
 

As far as that poem,

 

It sounded familiar but I didn’t recall it. But…

 

Reminds me when I was in HS and workin in the mobbed up Italian restaurant.

 

The head chef was the owners son. Owner was like 5’10 350, he could have them make him a lobster or exquisite pasta but he’d sit around eating Mortadella (Italian Baloney).

 

On a Saturday night there would be like 300 a la carte diners, it was a zoo. The kitchen had like 5 stoves and fortunately, as a lowly busboy, I never had to go back behind the stoves. Well, only occasionally I did to bring the chef his giant cup of soda (coke and 7up mixed) and I swear it was about 900* back there, think I fainted. 
 

The owner would be screaming out the orders. Every order was preceded by “MFin” as in..

 

”I need a MFin veal parm!” “Where’s my MFin Alfredo?!” Crazy in the kitchen. 

 

Id just bring out the bread, flirt with peoples wives, and clear the bread crumbs. 
 

So, one time, to get back to your poem, I asked the head chef, 

 

“Why do you drink coke and 7up?”

 

He looked at me. Not a good thing cause he was completely insane, he was in Nam and I don’t think he was all there before he went.

 

And he says,

 

”Why? Yours is not to question “why”?”

 

And now, like 35 years later, you made me realize,

 

He was referencing that poem!

 

 

Lol. Wow !   Now that’s a descriptive coincidence!
 

It’s from Alfred lord Tennyson.  But If I’m not mistaken our marines use a version or excerpt in a Jody  call or a cadence.  It’s then followed  by “ gung ho gung ho gung ho “.  Your guy there most likely heard it then or was a marine and said it.  

[bscinstnct]

5 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Lol. Wow !   Now that’s a descriptive coincidence!
 

It’s from Alfred lord Tennyson.  But If I’m not mistaken our marines use a version or excerpt in a Jody  call or a cadence.  It’s then followed  by “ gung ho gung ho gung ho “.  Your guy there most likely heard it then or was a marine and said it.  

 

Yeah, now it makes sense, I can’t visualize it exactly but he had a big military arm tattoo.

 

Guy was nuts but a virtuoso chef, loved to grow his own basil too.

 

His brothers worked there too. One of them was a monster, his forearm was the size of a frying pan. But you could see the entire tooth pattern of a Pit Bull bite scar on it. Apparently he approached this girl who was waking her dog and he went to pet it and it bit him!! But who knows how he got it. He would smoke joints in the giant walk in freezer 🤣

[bladehunter]

8 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Yeah, now it makes sense, I can’t visualize it exactly but he had a big military arm tattoo.

 

Guy was nuts but a virtuoso chef, loved to grow his own basil too.

 

His brothers worked there too. One of them was a monster, his forearm was the size of a frying pan. But you could see the entire tooth pattern of a Pit Bull bite scar on it. Apparently he approached this girl who was waking her dog and he went to pet it and it bit him!! But who knows how he got it. He would smoke joints in the giant walk in freezer 🤣

Lol. Sounds like a place where a young pup could learn lots of life lessons or get pulled into the abyss.  Glad you made it out soldier ! 😅

[bscinstnct]

7 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Lol. Sounds like a place where a young pup could learn lots of life lessons or get pulled into the abyss.  Glad you made it out soldier ! 😅

 

Well, actually, they all looked at us busboys with a bit of protectiveness, odd as it sounds. I think cause we were young and not yet spoiled by the worries of the world. Plus we worked like crazy!

 

We would make like 100 bucks on a Saturday night, cash! That was a fortune. We go spend it all at “ the club” the same night, lol.

 

One time the owner was like, 

 

What you guys doing tonight?

 

My friend says we go out, try meet ladies, maybe get in fights.

 

Owner says,

 

I don’t know, you look a little weak in the @ss to be getting in all these fights 🤣

[tw_focus]

I would be shocked if he doesn't play on tour again, and greatly surprised if he doesn't win a tournament again. Yes, the injury was not so good. But this is TW we're talking about here. If it were an average human I would say he's likely done. But TW doesn't know the meaning of "quit". He'll come back and keep on winning because that's the only thing he knows how to do.

[Soloman1]

3 minutes ago, tw_focus said:

I would be shocked if he doesn't play on tour again, and greatly surprised if he doesn't win a tournament again. Yes, the injury was not so good. But this is TW we're talking about here. If it were an average human I would say he's likely done. But TW doesn't know the meaning of "quit". He'll come back and keep on winning because that's the only thing he knows how to do.

 

He certainly doesn't know how to drive.

[dalehead]

8 minutes ago, tw_focus said:

I would be shocked if he doesn't play on tour again, and greatly surprised if he doesn't win a tournament again. Yes, the injury was not so good. But this is TW we're talking about here. If it were an average human I would say he's likely done. But TW doesn't know the meaning of "quit". He'll come back and keep on winning because that's the only thing he knows how to do.

Are you betting the house on it?

[tw_focus]

Just now, dalehead said:

Are you betting the house on it?

There's no legitimate sports books taking bets on whether TW will return. But yes, I will bet heavily on TW to win tournaments once he comes back. Look out the first time he's back at Augusta. People counted him out when he came back the first time after the incident when he was rescued by his then-wife, but he would have won the tournament if not for an unlucky hit-the-pin-and-bounce-in-water followed by a mistaken drop.

[grm24]

5 minutes ago, tw_focus said:

People counted him out when he came back the first time after the incident when he was rescued by his then-wife, but he would have won the tournament if not for an unlucky hit-the-pin-and-bounce-in-water followed by a mistaken drop.

Ok sure. Tiger hitting the pin with the bad luck bounce back into the water and subsequent bad drop on the 15th at Augusta was in 2013 not 2010. No such drama for Tiger in the 2010 Masters.

[tw_focus]

3 minutes ago, grm24 said:

Ok sure. Tiger hitting the pin with the bad luck bounce back into the water and subsequent bad drop on the 15th at Augusta was in 2013 not 2010. No such drama for Tiger in the 2010 Masters.

Ok, maybe I was mistaken. 2013 was the comeback after being out for injury, and people did count him out of that tournament before it even started.

[grm24]

1 hour ago, tw_focus said:

Ok, maybe I was mistaken. 2013 was the comeback after being out for injury, and people did count him out of that tournament before it even started.

You were mistaken. Tiger had already won 3 times on the PGA Tour in 2013 before the Masters. Nobody was counting him out of winning the 2013 Masters at that time. Nobody. He was by far the heavy betting favorite. You of course could of bet your house on it then. Did you?

 

He won his 4th event in 2013 (Players) in his first event back after the Masters and a 5th event at the WGC Bridgestone @ Firestone. He did have an elbow issue in June and a back injury in the Fed Ex Cup playoffs in which he finished 2nd.

 

https://www.sbnation.com/golf/2013/4/9/4204362/masters-2013-odds

 

Edited July 31, 2021 by grm24

[Shilgy]

17 hours ago, dlygrisse said:

Who knows what’s going on in his ankle joint. My doc told me I was lucky the fracture quit spiraling right above the joint. He may have limited mobility in that ankle forever. I know for a fact he will have pain, swelling, stiffness for the rest of his life. It’s just a matter of how much. 

Or he goes the route I eventually took and gets a total ankle replacement.  A decade ago they were not that good….but they are now.  Mine is the left ankle-right handed golfer- Tiger’s would be right ankle so much easier on the swing.

[woodriff]

I’d like some ortho surgeons, or physicians to chime in on this thread. What exactly do they think what we should expect from Tiger once fully healed. Would some of the fractures be stronger than they were before? As good? Better or worse. Sometimes fractures end up being stronger than they were before. 
lve a friend whose broken both femurs and he’s stronger than he once was. 

[dlygrisse]

4 hours ago, woodriff said:

I’d like some ortho surgeons, or physicians to chime in on this thread. What exactly do they think what we should expect from Tiger once fully healed. Would some of the fractures be stronger than they were before? As good? Better or worse. Sometimes fractures end up being stronger than they were before. 
lve a friend whose broken both femurs and he’s stronger than he once was. 

That would be great, but I’m guessing they would say it depends on a lot of factors.  I just got done playing golf, in a cart. My ankle, 13 years after surgery is a bit swollen, cracking and popping. No real pain.  I was 42 when I had my surgery.  Tiger is 45. 
 

Tiger will have better PT than me, his injury in the joint, much trickier.  We shall see. Combine that with a bad back, bad knees and beating balls and preparing for tournament golf does not sound promising. Tiger looked finished last year before the accident.  
 

I hope to see him in the father son, and maybe the Masters again, at least to be there.  I would be absolutely shocked to see him contend in a major again. 

[Golfrnut]

8 hours ago, woodriff said:

I’d like some ortho surgeons, or physicians to chime in on this thread. What exactly do they think what we should expect from Tiger once fully healed. Would some of the fractures be stronger than they were before? As good? Better or worse. Sometimes fractures end up being stronger than they were before. 
lve a friend whose broken both femurs and he’s stronger than he once was. 

I would say there would be a much better prognosis if those smarter folks could see xrays and/or actual notes from whoever treated him and saw his leg opened up on the table. Without really knowing how bad it was/wasn’t, it would be really hard to get anyone to Really speak on it accurately  He could have had two bones fractured, or six. Could have been split in half, or crushed into 50.  There’s such a range of possibilities there. 

[c7015]

I had a quite serious Tibia break (with ankle displacement).  Got a nice plate and big diastases pin thru the ankle to hold it all together. 4 months on couch with weight off and air cast, then phiso. 

 

Tiger I'm sure has been doing more / better phiso and is upright with compression sleeve putting weight on it around the same timeline. 

 

I was able to play golf after about a year. Took me another year to build up the muscle and get back to where I was before (I was also 24).

 

12 years later, it still hurts and the body compensates around it so it creates other issues (back / hip) in my case it was not a game ender like a back issue is but for Tiger it will be really interesting to see if he comes back I'm sure the road back will be excruciating but if he has the fight I would not count him out.  

[TiScape]

Conversation between blade and bscInstnct is the highlight of this thread. 

[ThinkingPlus]

On 7/30/2021 at 9:07 PM, bscinstnct said:

I like that interpretation of the Lincoln quote!
 

As far as that poem,

 

It sounded familiar but I didn’t recall it. But…

 

Reminds me when I was in HS and workin in the mobbed up Italian restaurant.

 

The head chef was the owners son. Owner was like 5’10 350, he could have them make him a lobster or exquisite pasta but he’d sit around eating Mortadella (Italian Baloney).

 

On a Saturday night there would be like 300 a la carte diners, it was a zoo. The kitchen had like 5 stoves and fortunately, as a lowly busboy, I never had to go back behind the stoves. Well, only occasionally I did to bring the chef his giant cup of soda (coke and 7up mixed) and I swear it was about 900* back there, think I fainted. 
 

The owner would be screaming out the orders. Every order was preceded by “MFin” as in..

 

”I need a MFin veal parm!” “Where’s my MFin Alfredo?!” Crazy in the kitchen. 

 

Id just bring out the bread, flirt with peoples wives, and clear the bread crumbs. 
 

So, one time, to get back to your poem, I asked the head chef, 

 

“Why do you drink coke and 7up?”

 

He looked at me. Not a good thing cause he was completely insane, he was in Nam and I don’t think he was all there before he went.

 

And he says,

 

”Why? Yours is not to question “why”?”

 

And now, like 35 years later, you made me realize,

 

He was referencing that poem!

 

 

It's Charge of the Light Brigade by ALT (I believe it was during the Crimean War).  The Brits and Aussies (see Gallipoli) had an affection for futile noble death.

[bladehunter]

2 hours ago, ThinkingPlus said:

It's Charge of the Light Brigade by ALT (I believe it was during the Crimean War).  The Brits and Aussies (see Gallipoli) had an affection for futile noble death.

So true.  But. A noble but futile death , may just be more enjoyable than a fearful and therefore futile life.  
 

 

remember lest we forget , fear is the quickest pathway to the dark side.  
 

 

Edited August 3, 2021 by bladehunter

[bscinstnct]

2 hours ago, ThinkingPlus said:

It's Charge of the Light Brigade by ALT (I believe it was during the Crimean War).  The Brits and Aussies (see Gallipoli) had an affection for futile noble death.

 

Testosterone of young men knows no bounds.

 

That energy funneled by the old and “wise” and we see how the world was shaped as it has been ; )

[Naptime]

On 7/30/2021 at 9:01 PM, bladehunter said:

Theirs was not to make reply  ,

Theirs was not to reason why ,

Theirs but to do and die.

Into the valley of Death 

Rode the six hundred .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

😂 I really am not sure.  I take it to mean that a religion that doesn’t  make a person treat all things kinder  isn’t one worth keeping ......But I’m only an amateur philosopher.....

I’ve thought he may have been on the sauce for that one.  I just meant overall a wise man. ( not wise-guy 😂).  He had a common sensical way of looking at things that I admire.  In other words 99% of the time whne he spoke it was dripping with substance.  Very little bloviation if any from him.   

 

Alfred, Lord Tennyson, was a golfer??

[ThinkingPlus]

16 minutes ago, Naptime said:

 

Alfred, Lord Tennyson, was a golfer??

4 cap, WRX long, poor short game, average putter

[bladehunter]

29 minutes ago, Naptime said:

 

Alfred, Lord Tennyson, was a golfer??

I’m sure anyone who masters  dactylic meter probably also enjoyed a good masochistic endeavor. 

[Soloman1]

I'm more of an iambic pentameter guy.

 

Here I

Will lie

When I

Do die.

 

 

Which is obviously related to my putting . . .

 

 

Edited August 4, 2021 by Soloman1

[bladehunter]

28 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

I'm more of an iambic pentameter guy.

 

Here I

Will lie

When I

Do die.

 

 

Which is obviously related to my putting . . .

 

 

Yep 👍 that makes total sense.  For me it sometimes is just pure onomatopoeia.... like a 1960s Batman episode.  Pow 💥 Bang !  
 

or more often like super troopers.  how’s it going meow ?   Meow are you doing sir ?  Etc.  

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

4 hours ago, ThinkingPlus said:

It's Charge of the Light Brigade by ALT (I believe it was during the Crimean War).  The Brits and Aussies (see Gallipoli) had an affection for futile noble death.

 

Yep, Crimean War. Charged straight into the Russian artillery. Bloody stupid thing to do, but it did give us cardigans, which Arnold Palmer wore with such panache. 

 

Now, I wouldn't say the ANZACS at Gallipoli had a affection for futile noble death. I think they were bloody furious at being sent there.