Miura Irons - do they outperform others?

[LowAndLeft32]

I often see discussion on the feel of Muira’s especially vs Mizzys. But from a true performance stand point are Muira’s at the top, worth the price, lead to improvement in ball striking, more consistent ball flight, better dispersion, or lower scores? 
 

It would be great to find a truly great iron that shows that it’s head and shoulders above the rest. Is Muira it? Will these irons stay in the bag for awhile? I played many different sets over the last five years and I haven’t found any irons that differ materially from another. 

Edited April 30, 2021 by LowAndLeft32

[lefthack]

No.

 

<edit> no club is magic. Some play better than others for others. Would my dream Miura set play better than my KZG's? Doubt it, but they look good. Not $2800 good, but you know. 

 

Some folks feel a difference, some folks hit a cast club without issues. Will YOU feel a difference? Only you can answer that one.

Edited April 30, 2021 by lefthack

[PEI_Golfer]

No.

[Nessism]

Miura irons are impeccably crafted and have a somewhat unique feel.  They bring pleasure to those that like them but, they won't lower your score compared to a similar iron.

[cgasucks]

1 hour ago, LowAndLeft32 said:

I often see discussion on the feel of Muira’s especially vs Mizzys. But from a true performance stand point are Muira’s T the top, worth the price, lead to improvement in ball striking, or lower scores? 
 

It would be great to find a truly great iron that shows that it’s head and shoulders above the rest. Is Muira it? Will these irons stay in the bag for awhile? I played many different sets over the last five years and I haven’t found any irons that differ materially from another. 

 

Silly question.  It's like saying if a fork made of sterling silver would perform better than a plastic fork from McDonald's.  Both will do the job as long as the person knows how to use it well.

 

 

Edited April 30, 2021 by cgasucks

[rsiehr]

1 hour ago, lefthack said:

No.

 

<edit> no club is magic. Some play better than others for others. Would my dream Miura set play better than my KZG's? Doubt it, but they look good. Not $2800 good, but you know. 

 

Some folks feel a difference, some folks hit a cast club without issues. Will YOU feel a difference? Only you can answer that one.

Gotta agree with this. They aren’t magic. If you really want great feel seems like Mizuno and srixon are currently leading the way, but if Miura feels better to you, go for it.

[Avidswampthing66]

It's totally a matter of preference.  They (Miura) look AMAZING, and to me they feel deep and thuddy.  If you're into that then you're going to love them.  I play the MC-501's and i've never felt an iron like it...they aren't soft like Srixon, or Mizuno.

[dongodfrey]

It’s the Porsche vs the Ferrari question,

both do the same thing.

The CB 501 were amazing, but so were Callaway JDM legacy blacks, probably the best iron feeling wise I’ve ever hit,

but, many,many,many would disagree,

It’s just personal preference really

[Feelingofgreatness]

I've owned Miuras and my answer is NO.

If you want forgiveness and feel, get a PXG iron.

You also can't go wrong with Mizuno and Ping

[Righty to Lefty]

4 hours ago, LowAndLeft32 said:

I often see discussion on the feel of Muira’s especially vs Mizzys. But from a true performance stand point are Muira’s T the top, worth the price, lead to improvement in ball striking, or lower scores? 
 

It would be great to find a truly great iron that shows that it’s head and shoulders above the rest. Is Muira it? Will these irons stay in the bag for awhile? I played many different sets over the last five years and I haven’t found any irons that differ materially from another. 

That is because there isn't much of a difference in regards to golf clubs because they are mass produced for the masses.  They tend to fall into the  same " safe spec range" without fail and any company straying away from this are almost never widely accepted or given even a chance.  I have a blended set of Miura left hand cavity backs and a set of hot melted Cleveland 588 Altitude irons and they are both set up to my preferred total weight and swing weight and when I hit them they both feel the same.  There are slight audible differences but if I have my head phones on I can't FEEL a difference because I have fitted them both to my desired spec and both provide that deep dense feel at impact.  Miura or Mizuno etc iron may have slight differences in their manufacturing processes but they are pretty much creating the same iron because the specs fall into a similar range because it is "safe." 

 

I love golf clubs and want to be a golf club design engineer, but the fact is that all of the companies are putting out good gear and all of them can be adapted to fit any golfer's needs because Miura doesn't have the market cornered on design engineers and there is no process in the industry that they are using that other companies aren't aware of and can't replicate. Kia's Tellurides and Hyundai's Genesis are doing everything that vehicles 3 times the price are doing, and more in some cases.  I feel that there will be a pivot in golf club marketing very soon because there really hasn't been a groundbreaking technology advancement in golf in quite some time and the only place that I see  possibility for advancement is deeper club fitting where, in my opinion, the two most important factors in a club are addressed, and that is total weight and swing weight. There simply isn't enough variance in golf clubs to truly find your perfect fit in my opinion.  My perfect fit was WAY far away  from standard and I think that most would find this same thing to be true if they explored a bit deeper. My two cents.  R to L

[LowAndLeft32]

5 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

That is because there isn't much of a difference in regards to golf clubs because they are mass produced for the masses.  They tend to fall into the  same " safe spec range" without fail and any company straying away from this are almost never widely accepted or given even a chance.  I have a blended set of Miura left hand cavity backs and a set of hot melted Cleveland 588 Altitude irons and they are both set up to my preferred total weight and swing weight and when I hit them they both feel the same.  There are slight audible differences but if I have my head phones on I can't FEEL a difference because I have fitted them both to my desired spec and both provide that deep dense feel at impact.  Miura or Mizuno etc iron may have slight differences in their manufacturing processes but they are pretty much creating the same iron because the specs fall into a similar range because it is "safe." 

 

I love golf clubs and want to be a golf club design engineer, but the fact is that all of the companies are putting out good gear and all of them can be adapted to fit any golfer's needs because Miura doesn't have the market cornered on design engineers and there is no process in the industry that they are using that other companies aren't aware of and can't replicate. Kia's Tellurides and Hyundai's Genesis are doing everything that vehicles 3 times the price are doing, and more in some cases.  I feel that there will be a pivot in golf club marketing very soon because there really hasn't been a groundbreaking technology advancement in golf in quite some time and the only place that I see  possibility for advancement is deeper club fitting where, in my opinion, the two most important factors in a club are addressed, and that is total weight and swing weight. There simply isn't enough variance in golf clubs to truly find your perfect fit in my opinion.  My perfect fit was WAY far away  from standard and I think that most would find this same thing to be true if they explored a bit deeper. My two cents.  R to L

Thank you for the well thought out response.

 

So other than swing weight and total weight, how did you decide on the the Muiras and 588s?

 

Your fitting points really resonate with me. Most the the fitting from big box stores to high end fitters like Club Champion never have ever cared or measured me for total weight or swing weight. I have been recently thinking that i need to explore these two items in greater detail. Ive messed around with adding lead tape to see the impact/changes in ball flight. 

[LowAndLeft32]

10 hours ago, lefthack said:

No.

 

<edit> no club is magic. Some play better than others for others. Would my dream Miura set play better than my KZG's? Doubt it, but they look good. Not $2800 good, but you know. 

 

Some folks feel a difference, some folks hit a cast club without issues. Will YOU feel a difference? Only you can answer that one.

But I want that magic club! I keep chasing and haven't found it. Maybe I will learn one day that magic clubs don't exist. Haha 

[Skaffa77]

Miura is on my bucket list for irons as well.  I doubt it will be substantially different than any set I currently own, but it doesn't stop the desire to own a set of irons forged by "the hand of God".  

 

I'm also a watch, whiskey and car guy too...so price, exclusivity and craftsmanship are all factors in that as well.  I can completely appreciate the craftsmanship of a nice Swiss automatic watch, but in reality it does the same thing as the Seiko Windward I bought in the late 90's which is still working and costs a heck of a lot less to maintain.  Quite honestly...for cost, functionality and longevity, that Seiko is killing it...

[bigalittlea]

I have two sets of CB57's (raw and chrome) as well as two sets of the miura-forged PCB tours. Used to (occasionally still do) play endo-forged tourstages or who-knows macgregor V-foil's. Distances are similar relative to loft/shaft differences. dispersion is similar, though I think the miura's are slightly more forgiving than comparable non-miura's.

 

Realistically though? I like them, they're pretty, they feel better to me than not miura's (more solid). do they make me a better player? nah. do they make me feel good? yep! 

Edited April 30, 2021 by bigalittlea

[JStang]

I owned a set and they were great irons but they don't outperform anything else that I've played. I have heard about this amazing feel and while they were solid, when I think of amazing feel I think of soft and my Srixon ZX7's are a softer feeling club. They are kind of a novelty club IMO similar to PXG. 

[Largey]

There's definitely a feel and look difference that I prefer. Would I shoot worse with other blades, ehh. Blades are all so similar that it's just splitting hairs at that point. 

For me, shape plays a bigger factor in a set. I like the Miura shape, so my stupid brain probably wont trust something else unless it's a similar shape. Feel is also dependent on the ball, nothing to get hung up on.

[Pepperturbo]

I have a few Miura wedges, and sometime back tested Miura irons when considering an earlier change.  Yep, can't beat the quality of Miura irons, but "performance" is NOT a word I use in relationship to any golf clubs.  I don't like their 4-GW setup and specs or MB-101 FP specs, not sure who they build clubs for these days.  Anyway, all golf clubs do what they are told by the users swing, they do not outperform one another, like GT Turbo vs GT3.

 

Irons are reactionary and some club-heads talk to those users that want to listen.  As for price, can't say they are worth the price, it's more about what a person can afford to spend without exaggerating expectations. 

 

My 620 series irons with current Tensei AV White AM2 "S" shafts cost mid $2k, and 620 heads are IMO made just as well, and feel quite similar.  Maybe the better question to ask, can the performance of YOUR swing measure up to what Miura heads bring to the game?

[Tree Levino]

They have higher head weights by almost a club vs a lot of competitors. It’s almost like Ping driver heads. They pack a lot of punch and for some players can give higher ball speed in relation to others. Generally though, an iron is an iron if it fits!

[Pepperturbo]

@TigerInTheWoods- I hadn't paid much attention to head weight, but you're spot on.  When I compare 620MBs's to MB-101 head weights, 101 heads 4-8 grams heavier.  My 620 MB 6i is 258g, original 2006 Callaway X-forged 6i 257g, while current MB-101 6i is 265g.  Makes reaching heavier swing weights much easier. 

Edited April 30, 2021 by Pepperturbo

[LowAndLeft32]

14 hours ago, cgasucks said:

 

Silly question.  It's like saying if a fork made of sterling silver would perform better than a plastic fork from McDonald's.  Both will do the job as long as the person knows how to use it well.

 

 

So I should sell my expensive sterling silver clubs and go buy some plastic fork Walmart clubs? Joking 🙃 I get your point thanks 

[cgasucks]

23 minutes ago, LowAndLeft32 said:

So I should sell my expensive sterling silver clubs and go buy some plastic fork Walmart clubs? Joking 🙃 I get your point thanks 

Sorry that I came a little too strong but my point is that Mizunos and Miuras are both excellent performing clubs that have success at golf's highest levels.  You can't go wrong buying clubs from either of them.  It is just a matter of looks, forgiveness and feel for you.

Edited April 30, 2021 by cgasucks

[DFS PFD]

Save your money, Miura will not change your game. They simply have a cult following

[Avidswampthing66]

15 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

That is because there isn't much of a difference in regards to golf clubs because they are mass produced for the masses.  They tend to fall into the  same " safe spec range" without fail and any company straying away from this are almost never widely accepted or given even a chance.  I have a blended set of Miura left hand cavity backs and a set of hot melted Cleveland 588 Altitude irons and they are both set up to my preferred total weight and swing weight and when I hit them they both feel the same.  There are slight audible differences but if I have my head phones on I can't FEEL a difference because I have fitted them both to my desired spec and both provide that deep dense feel at impact.  Miura or Mizuno etc iron may have slight differences in their manufacturing processes but they are pretty much creating the same iron because the specs fall into a similar range because it is "safe." 

 

I love golf clubs and want to be a golf club design engineer, but the fact is that all of the companies are putting out good gear and all of them can be adapted to fit any golfer's needs because Miura doesn't have the market cornered on design engineers and there is no process in the industry that they are using that other companies aren't aware of and can't replicate. Kia's Tellurides and Hyundai's Genesis are doing everything that vehicles 3 times the price are doing, and more in some cases.  I feel that there will be a pivot in golf club marketing very soon because there really hasn't been a groundbreaking technology advancement in golf in quite some time and the only place that I see  possibility for advancement is deeper club fitting where, in my opinion, the two most important factors in a club are addressed, and that is total weight and swing weight. There simply isn't enough variance in golf clubs to truly find your perfect fit in my opinion.  My perfect fit was WAY far away  from standard and I think that most would find this same thing to be true if they explored a bit deeper. My two cents.  R to L

Cobra is doing some pretty far out stuff with irons...most notable being the Radspeed line.  Not sure if “groundbreaking” is the word to use but they are clearly pushing into new territory.

 

[lefthack]

I just can't get over that top line. My smashed steel don't have any tech, but they have boat loads of feel.

 

 

[LaymanM]

No, but justify the cost however you like lol

[FlyingLaw1]

I just got my first set of Miuras about 3 weeks ago (bought them used so didn’t spend much more than any other name brand set). Went with the CB-301s. Previous set are Mizuno JPX-900 forged. Before that I had Ping Ansers. The Miuras are the longest, best looking, and most forgiving of the 3. The feel of the Mizunos and Pings aren’t even close. 

[Mitchell]

Have owned several sets of cavity backs and blades made by Miura (both under their name and some cult classics forged for other brands) and my opinion is: Miura stuff is very consistent in terms of headweight progression (generally a bit heavier than ‘average’) and has a very solid, dense feel compared to many other forgings. Lots of other specs go into whether a particular type of club fits a player, if you hit certain parameters, will have best opportunity to get a desired output based on quality of input. All that being stated, some very prominent veterans in making equipment for best players in world get a great deal of amusement over cache associated with where and by whom a club is forged. A quality forging is pretty easy to distinguish and quite a few models rumored to be forged by Miura were not, that doesn’t make them any less of a quality forging (prime example- Nike split cavity) 

**end of rant**

[Nard_S]

I have several Miura made sets. They are all quite good. Miura is one of the few brands I would spend big dollars on. They can compact the steel at higher pressure because they utilize spin weld for the necks. Quality of build and uniformity of weight is first rate. That said, they will not lower score but then again you will never blame your gear with them in the bag.

[llaw999]

Miura actually seems to perform slightly worse than other brands for me. Doesn’t stop me from buying them though😂. I’ve gone through 9 sets of Miura and still own 3 sets. Miura definitely digs more compared to other brands. I would not recommend if you tend to be steep. 

 

The feel is legendary though. Somehow it’s firm but soft.... but firm all at the same time haha. It’s definitely unique to Miura. 

 

I’m playing Srixons right now though. I have a hoarding problem...

 

PS: I build my own clubs and Miura head weights are always spot on. 

Edited May 1, 2021 by llaw999

[RogerinNewZealand]

Re Majic Club

ok.

In my 8 or so years here, buy 3 sets of irons a year usually,and rebuild 80% of them,spine align,add swing weight..regrip.My Mizuno MP100 are the mp33,s 2006ish and my Tourstage xblade901 are 2009.These are the softest sets of all my buy/sell over 8 years.May i courteously suggest,very calmly, that if you play off the rack, without rebuilding,reswingweighting and ummmm spine aligning, you have a small chance of Playing Your Best with your off the racks.So you are unlikely too find the Majic.I had a Ping tisi 5 wood long ago that was majic,grabbed a 906 to replace it.......majic lost.

So thats why you have to Build your Gear😊