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Quick run down, used to be a 7-8 handicap and play 716 AP2's.  Have a 3.5 year old and 16 month old now so I'm not playing much.  I'm probably more like a 12 handicap now and I'm lucky to play 8-10 times a year.  Hopefully more this year.  For those of you that have pulled the 5 iron (or more) and replaced with hybrids, what was the motivating factor and how did you find replacements (seems I'd need to get them built)?  I hit the ball plenty high so it's not a lack of height I'm looking to add.  I really want to make it easy and gain some confidence in the 5 and 6 iron area.  I can still hit good 5 iron's that go 180 yards, but since I don't play much a mishit happens A LOT more than it used to.  I know guys like @Obee and @SmashGolfBall have loaded up with hybrids.  Would love your advice and any others as well.

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I have a 5 hybrid, and the motivating factor for me was it's just easier to hit. Out of my hybrids, the 5 is the easiest to hit obviously, whereas my 5 iron was my least accurate of my irons. So that

As long as your distance gaps work, you should be fine. My biggest issue with the hybrid vs the iron is my gaps.

I have a 3 thru 6 hybrid. As a one a week golfer it has been a great help in ease of hitting and actually more greens in regulation because of less mishits or mishits that carry far enough. The 6 was

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As long as your distance gaps work, you should be fine. My biggest issue with the hybrid vs the iron is my gaps.

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I have a 3 thru 6 hybrid. As a one a week golfer it has been a great help in ease of hitting and actually more greens in regulation because of less mishits or mishits that carry far enough. The 6 was added last year , the 3,4,5 happened about 10 years ago , around my 52nd year of life.

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When I buy iron sets, I generally start at 5 iron.  Then, when I actually use the 5 iron out on the course, with on and off success, I generally go back to a hybrid.  I am not advocating for anyone else, and there are plenty of guys here who play 4 irons.  Have at it.  But for many of us, there is no question that hybrids are easier to hit than long irons, which to me includes 5 irons, and possibly, 6 irons as well.

 

After I was fitted for my 4 hybrid shaft and really saw the benefit, I had the builder order me the same shaft for my 5 hybrid, to have as an option.  I tend to end up throwing that 5 hybrid in the bag in place of the 5 iron.  Whether I am out on the fairway, in the rough, or on the tee, looking down at that 5 hybrid just gives me more confidence, and generally a better result.  YMMV.

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I play a driving iron 3,4,5 hybrids 19/21/24/27 degrees and have done so for years with success. Main reason I switched to hybrids was for more consistent distances and I can jump on them to hit further if needed whereas long irons were more erratic. I am like you and have a youngster so when I play I want to know what my clubs are doing and feel confident. As much as I want to play 3,4 5 irons (I am a good iron player) I am just more accurate from 185-225 with hybrids.

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2 hours ago, BTP said:

I play a driving iron 3,4,5 hybrids 19/21/24/27 degrees and have done so for years with success. Main reason I switched to hybrids was for more consistent distances and I can jump on them to hit further if needed whereas long irons were more erratic. I am like you and have a youngster so when I play I want to know what my clubs are doing and feel confident. As much as I want to play 3,4 5 irons (I am a good iron player) I am just more accurate from 185-225 with hybrids.

Thanks. I may need to buy a set of GI irons. Like a Ping G series. Just seems a little unappetizing to spend that money when it’s 1-2 clubs I’m really worried about. Though I’m sure it wouldn’t hurt me on the other clubs in the bag either.

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I have only hit it a few times, but I got a Taylormade GAPR mid 4h that is an interesting iron/hybrid hybrid, lol.

 

 

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7 hours ago, gator022 said:

- what was the motivating factor

- how did you find replacements (seems I'd need to get them built)?  

 

I have a 5 hybrid, and the motivating factor for me was it's just easier to hit. Out of my hybrids, the 5 is the easiest to hit obviously, whereas my 5 iron was my least accurate of my irons. So that part of the bag became more of a strength moving to hybrids.

 

I got fit into a Ping G410 3 hybrid, so I already knew what hybrid would work - from there it was a matter of playing and adjusting the loft to get the distance I needed.

 

For me, it's been one the smartest things I've done with my bag. I have the speed to hit a 5 iron, it's just about accuracy and ease of use. From a not so great lie 180 out, I'm much more confident with my hybrid. Some of my favorite/best shots have been sticking a green from like 190. Good luck.

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I’ve gone the other way. Was fit into a 3H a few years ago and it is a great club for me. Then a long injury lay-off and I’m not getting any younger so I picked up 5H and 6H (pxg 0211 - nice clubs for not a lot of money). As I started to put together a new iron set I was going back and forth between ZX5 and ZX7. Conventional wisdom would say with my inconsistent swing and aging body that ZX5 ( or even something more GI) and going to more hybrids would be the answer.

 

but a funny thing happened while testing clubs (I buy one in a spec that is close, then hit is on grass ranges and course). I fo und I was hitting the ZX7 more consistently and as long as ZX5. I had also picked up a ZX5 6i to try, and found that I hit that well - as well or better than the 6H. So the hybrids got sold and I ordered a ZX5 5i, rest of the shorter irons are ZX7. I like the look, I like the way they hit. I think the narrower sole on the ZX7 is part of what works for me, then the extra help on 5-6 with the ZX5 is a nice blend.

 

tl;dr - fitting doesn’t tell you everything, and hybrids may be the answer, but it also could be a different iron will scratch your itch. Life is an experiment.

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Hybrids are definitely much easier to hit. I am using 3-6 hybrids and 7-P irons as a mixed set.

 

All my hybrids have the same loft, use the same shaft, and have the same length as the corresponding iron, so they are just irons replaced with hybrid heads, and there is no distance gap or control/consistency issue at all. 

 

Different player has different preference, but the hybrids just give me lots of confidence to cover the mid-long range shots. All my playing partners ditched their 3,4 and 5 irons and switched to hybrids.

 

Make sure you get fitted. Some of the 4 and 5 hybrids are hard to control due the longer and softer graphite shafts. You might consider to pull out the irons shafts and see whether you like the ball trajectory and control.

 

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10 hours ago, gator022 said:

Thanks. I may need to buy a set of GI irons. Like a Ping G series. Just seems a little unappetizing to spend that money when it’s 1-2 clubs I’m really worried about. Though I’m sure it wouldn’t hurt me on the other clubs in the bag either.

Hit up eBay and get a couple titleist 910H then. They are inexpensive and may be the solution to the couple clubs you are looking to replace. You could get 2 hybrids shipped to you for less than $100

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This year I finally put my ego aside and took my 5 iron our of the bag.  I also took my 3 wood out too.  For me I have found that driver, 5 and 7 woods then 4 and 5 hybrids do the trick.  I had to do a little loft tweaking on the woods and hybrids to get the distances right but it has been well worth it.

 

I also took my blade putter out of the bag and replaced with a mallet.

 

Golf has been much more fun!!

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Dropped the 5 iron a few years back when I realized that I didn't really hit it well enough to keep it in the bag. Switched to a Cobra 24 degree 5 hybrid & mishits are not nearly as punishing & the gaping works out great with my Apex 19 6 iron at 26.5 degrees.

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I haven’t carried a 5i for years but have one inbound (ZX5).

 

Higher lofted hybrids are a great option for most folks.  It can take a little adjustment though and many folks find using a heavier, and stiffer shaft closer to equivalent iron length and weight helps.

 

That said, as techie irons continue to evolve, you now have even more options.  I’m benching my 25 deg hybrid and giving a 24 deg multi-metal, spring face iron a chance in its place with the goal of tightening up left-right dispersion just a bit.  The hybrid produces a beautiful ballflight that stops quickly on approaches but is just a touch less predictable in azimuth.

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My ponder right now (based on my success with the G425 3 hybrid and mulling a minimalist set) is to remove the 5,6,7 iron and add a 5 and 7 hybrid. Depending on gapping the 8 iron might go. I use a stock CB Alta shaft so just need to do some browsing if I decide to pursue that. 

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Couple of thoughts… (I’m a 3 handicap with 105 mph driver speed)

I replaced 4i with 24 degree hybrid and also play a 20 degree 3 hybrid. For me the 4 hybrid was all about two things: 1) the launch and peak height vs a 4-iron. It’s not close (for me) how much higher I hit the 24 degree hybrid vs any 4-iron. That comes in very handy on 190+ approaches. 2) creating gaps. I doubt I typically carried 4i more than 5 yards further than 5i unless it was nutted. 
 

However you mentioned you “hit the ball plenty high”.  I would start with gaps then land angle and make a decision from there. And don’t limit to just hybrids. Depending on what kind of irons you play you may just look at a different style of iron for the 5i. For example I used to play the ‘16 Apex Pros but ended up getting an Apex CF16 just to fill the 5i spot (bent it one degree weak and it was a perfect gap). 

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Couple of thoughts… (I’m a 3 handicap with 105 mph driver speed)

I replaced 4i with 24 degree hybrid and also play a 20 degree 3 hybrid. For me the 4 hybrid was all about two things: 1) the launch and peak height vs a 4-iron. It’s not close (for me) how much higher I hit the 24 degree hybrid vs any 4-iron. That comes in very handy on 190+ approaches. 2) creating gaps. I doubt I typically carried 4i more than 5 yards further than 5i unless it was nutted. 
 

However you mentioned you “hit the ball plenty high”.  I would start with gaps then land angle and make a decision from there. And don’t limit to just hybrids. Depending on what kind of irons you play you may just look at a different style of iron for the 5i. For example I used to play the ‘16 Apex Pros but ended up getting an Apex CF16 just to fill the 5i spot (bent it one degree weak and it was a perfect gap). 


I’m playing 716 AP2’s. So perhaps an AP1 or AP3 5 iron would give me the help I’m talking about. I have older TM Rescue 09 TP’s 19* and 22* as my 3 and 4. Perhaps your idea helps with gapping as well. Or even a Srixon Z U45/65/85 would work….thoughts?

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I have Titleist 818H2 23* that I raise the loft to 25* to replace my 5i when I’m not hitting the iron well.  It’s slightly longer but much easier to hit when I’m not on.  This is really something I find helpful in different playing conditions as well.

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I found my 6i and 7i carry distance was the same too many times. The 6i just has more roll that can get out to the distance that I'm expecting. It satisfies my total distance gapping but not my carry distance gapping.

 

In my set, I now go from 24* hybrid to 7i @ 31*; the 6i is out of the bag.

 

Gripping down an inch, and making half swing with the hybrid gives me 6i carry distance with much better launch and softer landing conditions than I ever got with my 6i. This works well for my hybrid head/shaft combo.

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