PGL offers DJ, Rose $30 million each (***MERGED***)

[OrangeGravy]

On 5/5/2021 at 12:11 PM, QuigleyDU said:

You are asking me questions I have no clue what the answer is. lol.. I am just saying.. Since this is all hypothetical. Is there a reason we should all be defending the PGA. Lets say every one of the top 20 decide to go. Why would we be sad for the PGA. 

There is no logical reason to defend the PGA in this unless you think it would destroy golf and we'd never get to watch it TV again. There are only selfish emotional reasons. I don't why any fan would care where these players conglomerate and play. Maybe, maybe I could see being against it if you attend a specific tournament in person every year or many tournaments every year and you fear top level pro golf will be essentially taken away from US soil for good if this or something similar happens. US sports fans (of which I am one) typically don't care for overseas leagues even if it's a sport they like. It feels kind of like some people might think they will have to stop enjoying top level professional golf if it isn't played mostly on US soil. That's just a guess though. 

 

Like other's have said though, eventually the PGA Tour is going to have to come up with a plan to either be more global or increase revenue significantly. They aren't protected by being the only country on the planet that can operate a "league" at the highest possible pay level like the big 3 US sports. TV revenue/demand makes that possible for those sports. Golf has a hard cap on TV demand in the US and can easily be usurped by hard cash from a group of wealthy people. They should've probably got ahead of the problem after the first salvo from Norman and engineered their own version of this that they and the Euro Tour control. Only some concoction of hubris/arrogance and various other character flaws would be strong enough to stop someone from making that sound business decision all those years ago. 

[OrangeGravy]

On 5/7/2021 at 9:21 AM, Jwin323 said:

I'd jump on it. That Saudi oil money might not be there in 5-10 years when we're all driving electric cars.

I don't think they've spent all of the money they made the last 100 years yet. I could be wrong though, but probably not

[Retsdon]

2 hours ago, OrangeGravy said:

I don't think they've spent all of the money they made the last 100 years yet. I could be wrong though, but probably not

At current government expenditure rate Saudi needs $100 a barrel to break even. And that's before the massive pension surge that's surge coming when all the people born in the oil boom times of the 60s and early 70s reach reach retirement. At $60 a barrel the country is hemorrhaging money. 

[Guy In Lyon]

21 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

You underline my point.

Dylan was reportedly making 15MM a year off his royalties.

He sold for 400MM

I’m sure Rory would join the PGL for the same kind of money ; )

But 50MM is just a years pay for him. 

"You underline my point."

 

Far from it, actually.

 

"Dylan was reportedly making 15MM a year off his royalties."

 

If true, that's $15million/year for doing nothing. $15million for sitting on yer butt. Not traveling around the world, not taking part in four day tournaments, not hob-knobbing with a sponsor's corporate clients, nothing. No effort at all.

 

"He sold for 400MM"

 

So, given an easy 5 percent return, he's making $20million a year, for life, with that original $400million going to whoever he wants when he dies. Again, sitting on his arse, streaming Netflix, eating Doritos.

 

And Rory hasn't really created anything. He just plays golf. Dylan's music will be remembered for centuries, Rory will be remembered, if he's lucky, for 50 years or so once he stops playing.

 

"But 50MM is just a years pay for him."

 

I don't believe that he makes that much.

 

BTW, why are you talking about people making millimeters?

Edited May 10, 2021 by Guy In Lyon

[Guy In Lyon]

7 hours ago, Retsdon said:

At $60 a barrel the country is hemorrhaging money. 

At $60/barrel the Saudi's are making less money than they would if oil were selling at $100/barrel. They aren't hemorrhaging money.

[Guy In Lyon]

On 5/8/2021 at 11:34 AM, Creedo77 said:

They offered Tiger 120 million and he turned it down 

Your source for that?

 

Also, was that before or after the latest crash?

[bscinstnct]

42 minutes ago, Guy In Lyon said:

"You underline my point."

 

Far from it, actually.

 

"Dylan was reportedly making 15MM a year off his royalties."

 

If true, that's $15million/year for doing nothing. $15million for sitting on yer butt. Not traveling around the world, not taking part in four day tournaments, not hob-knobbing with a sponsor's corporate clients, nothing. No effort at all.

 

"He sold for 400MM"

 

So, given an easy 5 percent return, he's making $20million a year, for life, with that original $400million going to whoever he wants when he dies. Again, sitting on his arse, streaming Netflix, eating Doritos.

 

And Rory hasn't really created anything. He just plays golf. Dylan's music will be remembered for centuries, Rory will be remembered, if he's lucky, for 50 years or so once he stops playing.

 

"But 50MM is just a years pay for him."

 

I don't believe that he makes that much.

 

BTW, why are you talking about people making millimeters?

 

lol, common in the States to refer to million as MM. 1000x1000 ; )

 

Rory definitely makes 50MM, more as reported. 
 

And because his sponsors know he’s on a tour with a 9-year, multi network/media contact that guarantees exposure fir their products.

 

PGL?

 

 

[Barfolomew]

18 hours ago, Str8Putt said:

Have to disagree with your dad. It's 2021. The way women are treated in the ME is no secret.

Heck didn't they just kick some women out of a country over there for taking a photo on a hotel ledge?

Dubai is one of the party places for the rich and even movie location.

I just don't see golf changing that especially if they're not starting a LPGA version and making the women play in head gear.

 

Wow..... don't you see that if there is EVER going to be a women's league in Saudi that it would only come from the men having a league first and laying the ground work....  So you just want a women's league now or there's no point..... ok

 

You're stories of a women kicked out the country are nothing compared to what we've seen.... That's why my Pops had a positive reaction of just hearing about a pro league in Saudi with media etc... but you can disagree with him, he would laugh at your lack of understanding of how big a step forward it would be for one of the most extreme radical religious countries

 

 

I had an American friend get in a fight with a Saudi kid.  Dad goes to jail and family kicked out.  So many things that need to improve....

 

You know they were a tribal country 100 years ago don't ya, think Lawrence of Arabia.... will take time to change but progress is progress

[bscinstnct]

4 hours ago, Guy In Lyon said:

At $60/barrel the Saudi's are making less money than they would if oil were selling at $100/barrel. They aren't hemorrhaging money.

 

That’s the cost to balance their budget for running the country. Think I saw its around $70/barrel. 
 

It only costs them like under $10/barrel to produce. 
 

 

Edited May 10, 2021 by bscinstnct

[Str8Putt]

23 minutes ago, Barfolomew said:

 

Wow..... don't you see that if there is EVER going to be a women's league in Saudi that it would only come from the men having a league first and laying the ground work....  So you just want a women's league now or there's no point..... ok

 

You're stories of a women kicked out the country are nothing compared to what we've seen.... That's why my Pops had a positive reaction of just hearing about a pro league in Saudi with media etc... but you can disagree with him, he would laugh at your lack of understanding of how big a step forward it would be for one of the most extreme radical religious countries

 

 

I had an American friend get in a fight with a Saudi kid.  Dad goes to jail and family kicked out.  So many things that need to improve....

 

You know they were a tribal country 100 years ago don't ya, think Lawrence of Arabia.... will take time to change but progress is progress

Honestly I don't care if there is a women's league in SA or not or about your pop's laughing.

My point is golf isn't going to be what changes anything in the ME.

It's 2021 and social media is all around so it's not like there is a secret about what goes on in ME.

Plenty of movies are filmed there. Rich and famous go there all the time. Heck even watch YouTubers play golf in Dubai under the lights which looks dang cool.

Point is more popular stuff than golf happens over there and they still hold to their beliefs. 

[Barfolomew]

15 minutes ago, Str8Putt said:

Honestly I don't care if there is a women's league in SA or not or about your pop's laughing.

My point is golf isn't going to be what changes anything in the ME.

It's 2021 and social media is all around so it's not like there is a secret about what goes on in ME.

Plenty of movies are filmed there. Rich and famous go there all the time. Heck even watch YouTubers play golf in Dubai under the lights which looks dang cool.

Point is more popular stuff than golf happens over there and they still hold to their beliefs. 

 

That's tru you're 100% correct golf won't change anything, I mean it's just a ball and a stick right..... and I'll tell Pops to quell the laughter

[cdnglf]

16 minutes ago, Barfolomew said:

 

That's tru you're 100% correct golf won't change anything, I mean it's just a ball and a stick right..... and I'll tell Pops to quell the laughter

 

Look at how the Olympics changed China and Russia…

[DFS PFD]

5 minutes ago, cdnglf said:

 

Look at how the Olympics changed China and Russia…

But my dad said...who knows, maybe his dad is the CEO of General Dynamics, they can cause some drastic change in the middle east rather rapidly. 

Edited May 10, 2021 by DFS PFD

[mat562]

Phil throwing in a characteristically cleverly crafted bit of verbiage.

 

I like Mickelson; but really, Phil?

 

A selfless act would be sinking some of your vast wealth into a worthwhile cause that ticks your philanthropic - no pun intended - boxes instead of paying lawyers that are slicker than the Saudi oil that'll pay for this charade to hide it from the tax man.

 

 

Edited May 10, 2021 by mat562

[Str8Putt]

52 minutes ago, Barfolomew said:

 

That's tru you're 100% correct golf won't change anything, I mean it's just a ball and a stick right..... and I'll tell Pops to quell the laughter

Appreciate that. I'm trying to hit the ball and he keeps laughing in my back swing or is he laughing at my swing 🤔😎

[Go Cougs]

13 minutes ago, mat562 said:

Phil throwing in a characteristically cleverly crafted bit of verbiage.

 

I like Mickelson; but really, Phil?

 

A selfless act would be sinking some of your vast wealth into a worthwhile cause that ticks your philanthropic - no pun intended - boxes instead of paying lawyers that are slicker than the Saudi oil that'll pay for this charade to hide it from the tax man.

 

 

No kidding.  Phil's "it would be a selfless act to join the PGL" comment is just such utter BS.  Does he really expect anyone to think he's genuine?

[miamistomp]

 Two Dylan tunes

   " pick up your money and pack up your tent "

 

    No need to support SA - it won't change- Greed is not good-Plenty of golf to be played in other parts of the world

[Creedo77]

10 hours ago, Guy In Lyon said:

Your source for that?

 

Also, was that before or after the latest crash?

PGA tour pro who recently played with someone who works for his company 

 

Im not sure when the offer was on the table

but I have no doubt that the info is good. 
 

 

[NoodleSalad]

On 5/9/2021 at 6:13 PM, Holy Moses said:

You're late to the party. The Saudis and the British initiative have split and the Saudis went their separate ways. 

Source?

 

I'm aware there are 2 different entities now, but I have never seen any evidence that GARDINER and the PGL are disavowing Saudi money.

[Frankensteins Monster]

On 5/7/2021 at 5:11 AM, Soloman1 said:

 

Is the same Phil Mickelson who shot 64 yesterday and is leading the tournament, or a different Phil Mickelson?

 

🙂

Oops.

[Frankensteins Monster]

15 hours ago, mat562 said:

Phil throwing in a characteristically cleverly crafted bit of verbiage.

 

I like Mickelson; but really, Phil?

 

A selfless act would be sinking some of your vast wealth into a worthwhile cause that ticks your philanthropic - no pun intended - boxes instead of paying lawyers that are slicker than the Saudi oil that'll pay for this charade to hide it from the tax man.

 

 

I thought this was a joke he said that. What a clown. With the slimeball he is, I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from him?

[stingerfade]

17 hours ago, Barfolomew said:

 

Wow..... don't you see that if there is EVER going to be a women's league in Saudi that it would only come from the men having a league first and laying the ground work....  So you just want a women's league now or there's no point..... ok

 

You're stories of a women kicked out the country are nothing compared to what we've seen.... That's why my Pops had a positive reaction of just hearing about a pro league in Saudi with media etc... but you can disagree with him, he would laugh at your lack of understanding of how big a step forward it would be for one of the most extreme radical religious countries

 

 

I had an American friend get in a fight with a Saudi kid.  Dad goes to jail and family kicked out.  So many things that need to improve....

 

You know they were a tribal country 100 years ago don't ya, think Lawrence of Arabia.... will take time to change but progress is progress

That’s about as much progress as going from carrying to using a cart with one square wheel. Maybe in a million years they’ll get to circular wheels 

[Guy In Lyon]

14 hours ago, Creedo77 said:

PGA tour pro who recently played with someone who works for his company

Im not sure when the offer was on the table

but I have no doubt that the info is good.

Is this "PGA tour pro" a personal friend or acquaintance that you've actually spoken to?

[Guy In Lyon]

20 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

It only costs them like under $10/barrel to produce.

There you go.

[bscinstnct]

17 minutes ago, Guy In Lyon said:

I don't know where you were brought up, but as a 66 year old American that has spent 55 of those years in the United States I have NEVER seen million abbreviated as "MM" in the US.

If someone abbreviates "$50,000,000" they usually do it as "$50million" or $50 million".

 

 

[DFS PFD]

3 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

 

He's just trolling, exact same argument in another thread with me. Next he'll say, " Who's your source?" 

[stingerfade]

5 hours ago, Guy In Lyon said:

I don't know where you were brought up, but as a 66 year old American that has spent 55 of those years in the United States I have NEVER seen million abbreviated as "MM" in the US.

If someone abbreviates "$50,000,000" they usually do it as "$50million" or $50 million".

I have lived here 50 years and had no problem understanding what 50MM means. Some people just looking to argue 

[Soloman1]

Cheap phones and Wifi expose the wide swath of people who were thrown out of public eduction without getting one.

[ChillyDipper]

On 5/10/2021 at 1:23 AM, OrangeGravy said:

 

 

....Like other's have said though, eventually the PGA Tour is going to have to come up with a plan to either be more global or increase revenue significantly....

 

Jay Monahan raises an eyebrow: "More commercials?"

[ChillyDipper]

7 hours ago, Guy In Lyon said:

I don't know where you were brought up, but as a 66 year old American that has spent 55 of those years in the United States I have NEVER seen million abbreviated as "MM" in the US.

If someone abbreviates "$50,000,000" they usually do it as "$50million" or $50 million".

I bet you eat Dijon mustard.