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When I watch good swings, I love how free the wrists seem, especially at the top. When I watch my own swing, my wrists appear.... less free. I suspect I lose swing speed and create some sequencing issues as a result of my less than ideal wrist hinge.

 

So I want to open a discussion for people who struggle with this issue and ideally generate some ideas about how to work on it.

 

I've been working on Monte's No Turn Cast, and my feel on the backswing is that I am setting the wrists as early as possible and letting my body react, before of course casting gently and patiently as a dove to 8:00. 

 

So...

 

1. Do I have enough wrist hinge/set at the top? Am I diagnosing correctly?

 

2. If (as I suspect) I do not, how can I work on getting more? My feel is to get as much as possible as soon as possible. Do I practice the top position statically? Is it a grip thing?

 

I don't want to make the thread just about my swing. Would like to have a general discussion about improving wrist hinge. But any other thoughts on my swing videos are welcome. Known issues: not enough backswing hip turn, right knee fires too hard and too soon on downswing, and pelvis is a little reluctant to turn all the way through to the finish (probably related to left hip injury).

 

Videos are PW full speed, 7 iron slow mo. Sorry for the crummy camera angle. I was filming myself taking the first ever swings with my new Srixons 😁 and set up the iphone in a flower pot.

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Arms out of sequence and moving in wrong direction.

 

From the position below you have to stall.  Either need to shift better and start closed longer and/or move arms earlier in correct direction.

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Thanks Monte! Really appreciate the feedback. Just want to clarify what you mean.

 

1. Shift better = start closed longer? Or do you mean two things there. I totally understand what start closed longer means, but "shift better" is harder for me to pin down.

 

2. Which way are my arms moving, and which way is correct? I'm thinking "cast to 8:00" and letting my arms and body react. I don't think I know how to describe the directions my arms are moving...

 

Edited to add: you posted the two links above just as I posted this response. I think I understand now what you mean by arm direction based on the DJ instagram.

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3 minutes ago, JOVortex said:

 

Thanks Monte! Really appreciate the feedback. Just want to clarify what you mean.

 

1. Shift better = start closed longer? Or do you mean two things there. I totally understand what start closed longer means, but "shift better" is harder for me to pin down.

 

2. Which way are my arms moving, and which way is correct? I'm thinking "cast to 8:00" and letting my arms and body react. I don't think I know how to describe the directions my arms are moving...

I edited...”stay closed longer”. I also 2 videos in next post.

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3 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

I edited...”stay closed longer”. I also 2 videos in next post.

 

LOL funny.. the start/stay typo didn't confuse me at all. My brain knew you meant "stay." And yet I too typed "start."

 

I also edited my post after I saw you posted the 2 videos basically simultaneous to my post 🤪

 

Anyway! I know you mean "stay closed longer." Is there also another component of "shift better," or is that the key thing you meant with the shift?

 

 

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10 minutes ago, JOVortex said:

Also @MonteScheinblum is there an efficient way to remain focused on practicing No Turn Cast while also working on the arm direction issue?

They go together, it’s one move and they kind of cancel each other.  Alex Noren has a great handle on this.  Ironically everyone makes fun of his routine.

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20 minutes ago, JOVortex said:

 

LOL funny.. the start/stay typo didn't confuse me at all. My brain knew you meant "stay." And yet I too typed "start."

 

I also edited my post after I saw you posted the 2 videos basically simultaneous to my post 🤪

 

Anyway! I know you mean "stay closed longer." Is there also another component of "shift better," or is that the key thing you meant with the shift?

 

 

The shift is a down and forward movement instead of straight lateral.

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9 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

They go together, it’s one move and they kind of cancel each other.  Alex Noren has a great handle on this.  Ironically everyone makes fun of his routine.

 

I've watched the Alex Noren rehearsal routine. I love it, very weird looking. Here's what I notice. Am I observing it correctly?

  • Weight shift down
  • Right elbow in front of torso
  • Left wrist flexion

I'm still struggling to understand "arm direction" after watching the DJ video and my own swing... it looks to me that my arms are moving forward and diagonally down, and physiologically I can't really imagine them moving in too different a direction. Perhaps a down the line video will help. Face on, it just seems like my body is just getting out ahead of the arms. In other words, a sequencing problem more than a direction problem. 

 

And the Noren right elbow in front of torso is meant to train body/arm sync (sequencing) rather than direction.

 

Let me know if this is right/wrong.

 

 

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