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You've been watching too many Dustin Johnson slowmo swingavisions on TV. 🤣

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Your grip might be the culprit and laying off helps you square up the club. Looks like the face is pointing a litte more upwards than you would want. See where your grip is at. Maybe it is too strong and needs to go towards neutral a little bit. Worth a shot. 

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You are doing your version of what shauheen describes in this video lesson.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIqvEqGpZ6n/

 

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I wouldn’t worry about the backswing.  Changes would. Just be fitting a look.

 

if you hate it. You need more vertical hinge.

 

Otherwise you need to slide less and fire the right hip less in the downswing.

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Justin Rose drill, or get up against the wall.  Right cheek on the wall in the backswing, then both cheeks, then left cheek on the wall in the downswing.

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2 hours ago, EVandy said:

Interesting! Wonder what he had the student do to fix the over-rotation of the forearms!

Don’t know.    But here is shauheen explaining matchups for a laid off shaft.   rickie is a guy with a long swing and rahm is an example of a shorter swing.   butch got Rickie getting more vertical and (he never got not laid off just reduced it a lot) and now it looks like he is going back to more of his old swing and is struggling with big misses.    
 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CDe0DXYpjlx/

 

me, I’d seek out a really good instructor and work with them and skip internet tips, etc.    

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3 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

I wouldn’t worry about the backswing.  Changes would. Just be fitting a look.

 

if you hate it. You need more vertical hinge.

 

Otherwise you need to slide less and fire the right hip less in the downswing.

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7 hours ago, EVandy said:

Any training aids that could help? Smart ball?

 

I would go with what Monte said fella you’re a better player than me so I wouldn’t mess about too much.

 

for reference though just to show how the wrist set can affect the pitch of the club.

 

pre set the wrists like the Faldo drill ie back of left wrist away and then just pivot only  see where the club is

 

do the same but pre set the back of the left wrist facing the ground 

 

then pre set with the wrists fully cocked both wrists cupped. (A vertical set for me gives me the dreaded flying elbow and cupped left wrist)

 

if you want a full on Matt Wolfe experience set the back of your left   Hand facing you(club shaft will point towards target) and pivot . 

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Me too, I’d go with what Monte said.  Also, what Monte said is basically the same thing that Justin describes in his video.  Justin says if he stayed closed longer, i.e., delays the firing on the right hip, then he can turn harder without losing the clubface.  Otherwise, he’ll unwind too quickly and gets flippy at impact.  Justin is actually describing your problem.
 

If you look closely, your clubface shuts really quickly through impact.  So you have to time impact...doesn’t shut fast enough, you’ll block it, shuts way too fast, you’ll hook it.

 

So it’s Monte and Justin Rose telling you the same thing!  Can’t really argue with that!

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23 hours ago, EVandy said:

I've been able to play some good golf with it (+3 hcp) but tends to give me a two way miss. (Block right or hook). 

Um, yeah.  I think you should keep your swing as is.  My buddy is a +4 and he doesn't exactly have the "prototype" swing.  Also, most of us better golfers have the misses you mention including myself. 

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