AT&T Byron Nelson

[Christosterone]

Granted I always played it at the height of n greens were kept a big long or during winter dormancy…

 

they don’t keep the greens, at least in my times playing it(not a member but regular enough visitor), at pga tour “gym floor” speed 

 

to me they’ve always been a bit grainy and not whacky shorn as one tends to think about bent

 

prior to the last 2 years of torrential rains, we were in a bit of a hot clip for about 6, maybe 8 years…

 

The Tribute barely kept 8 green alive for those years…

 

anyhow, it’s a Really fun course and beautiful, especially in the winter when it’s brown which is my preference for all golf

 

-chris

[ryan.pager]

48 minutes ago, QuigleyDU said:

Those fairways seem like Velcro.. No roll at all. Makes the course play super simple. They will shred this course. 

They are always like that -- it also tees up the ball making it easier to spin. Great for members, too easy for Tour Pros haha.

Whats really interesting is the grain on the zoysia fairways when you drive a cart on them. It literally pulls the wheel left/right depending on the grain. Ive watched my dad almost crash before because it pulled him before a sand trap on 13 🤣
 

48 minutes ago, DavidCrockett said:

 

That's a pretty good update.  Thank you for that.  7400yd, par 72, and cut down rough?  With the rain over the weekend, it'll just be that much more soft and receptive, and they weren't going to get rollout in the fairways anyway.  They are going to demolish that course.  

 

I don't like it when they do that as it diminishes the stature of the course, and this is the first look at Craig Ranch for a lot of people.  There's nothing easy about that course (as you mentioned, the yardage + the wind can make it brutal), but it'll look like a joke if everybody's -20.

Its really disappointing thats for sure -- they could've easily made this a difficult course like we've seen it. Definitely will be -20+, no chance that it isnt.

Edited May 13, 2021 by ryan.pager

[North Texas]

2 hours ago, ryan.pager said:

@ebrasmus21 For the Korn Ferry Tour players / general tournaments yes. The member tees are pretty long (7000ish yds), and is a par 72. You can of course move up, but most of the people Saturday & Sunday mornings play back. Combine that with 15mph winds in your face, and zoysia fairways (no roll), its nutso long.

For reference, I carry my driver 265, and I struggle on some of the par 4's (8, 13, 16, etc). For members they all play over 440yds. I hit more 4-5-6 irons than I would like to admit. Frankly on 13 and 16, I usually go driver -> 7 wood.

 

Wife and I actually volunteered during those Korn Ferry events and I attended the tour qualifying when it was held there. But I sure don't remember them playing it as a par 70. Maybe a par 71 with 12 playing as par 4. But I don't remember either 5 or 9 ever playing as a par 4. 

[One Putter]

Jordan aint playin around today!

[smashdn]

2 hours ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:

 

I can't imagine a better grass to play from. 

 

I have heard some people complain that it will sit the ball up a little too much and cause fliers.  I don't buy that.  We have both zoysia and bermuda courses around here.  Zoysia greens up sooner, is less weedy, stays green longer and plays better dormant.

 

I will say that a well done bentgrass fairway is a treat to play on when it is dry and running.  Plus, if you are in a climate that can handle it, your fairways and greens are good at the same times.  In my area we still have mostly bent greens and warm-season fairways.  When the fairways are the best, the greens are their worst.  

 

Some bermuda greens are starting to show up.  I don't mind them when done well and kept short.  If allowed to get too long they will get grainy and slow.  I also really like how firm a bermuda green is.  The ball doesn't tend to hit and stick so you need to control spin and roll out.

 

 

[TLUBulldogGolf]

1 hour ago, smashdn said:

 

I have heard some people complain that it will sit the ball up a little too much and cause fliers.  I don't buy that.  We have both zoysia and bermuda courses around here.  Zoysia greens up sooner, is less weedy, stays green longer and plays better dormant.

 

I will say that a well done bentgrass fairway is a treat to play on when it is dry and running.  Plus, if you are in a climate that can handle it, your fairways and greens are good at the same times.  In my area we still have mostly bent greens and warm-season fairways.  When the fairways are the best, the greens are their worst.  

 

Some bermuda greens are starting to show up.  I don't mind them when done well and kept short.  If allowed to get too long they will get grainy and slow.  I also really like how firm a bermuda green is.  The ball doesn't tend to hit and stick so you need to control spin and roll out.

 

 

 

Doesn't even make sense that you would get a flyer. Flyers are caused when grass gets between the face and ball. If anything the ball sits up so much it can be easier to hit it high on the face. 

 

My preference would be zoysia + bermuda greens. The newer bermuda strains are great and I don't know why you would attempt to grow bentgrass in Dallas for example. I can recall giant fans next to greens when I played bent up that way. 

Edited May 13, 2021 by TLUBulldogGolf

[DFS PFD]

7 minutes ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:

 

Doesn't even make sense that you would get a flyer. Flyers are caused when grass gets between the face and ball. If anything the ball sits up so much it can be easier to hit it high on the face. 

 

My preference would be zoysia + bermuda greens. The newer bermuda strains are great and I don't know why you would attempt to grow bentgrass in Dallas for example. I can recall giant fans next to greens when I played bent up that way. 

High on the face = Lower spin due to gear effect = flyer as well. Same result as grass between the ball on the face, with a different root cause. 

[TLUBulldogGolf]

1 minute ago, DFS PFD said:

High on the face = Lower spin due to gear effect = flyer as well. Same result as grass between the ball on the face, with a different root cause. 

 

In my experience it will just come out high and soft or sort of dead. The spin probably is in fact lower but I've never hit an iron 20 yards farther than normal from high on the face. 

[DFS PFD]

1 minute ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:

 

In my experience it will just come out high and soft or sort of dead. The spin probably is in fact lower but I've never hit an iron 20 yards farther than normal from high on the face. 

It's exacerbated by distance irons because of ball speed retention, so your MP-20's won't display that as much. Just explaining the other type of flyer, if you're not interested that's fine. But that's what smashdn was referring to, so I tried to fill you in. 

[bscinstnct]

Look at these scores!

 

Gotta check this out...

[Greg_B]

I switched on GC a little while ago and they seem to have the B and C teams working today. I recognize Gannon and Bynum, along with Knost and Immelmann, neither of whom I’m a fan of. The rest of the voices sound like club pros recruited from nearby munis. 😉

[80sFredriksson]

Wow what a finish to Jordans round!

[Duct Tape]

Cut’s going to be -4 or 5. 😳

[North Texas]

That's the voice I didn't recognize, Scott Verplank. 

 

I played in the 1983 Texas State Amateur that he won as a 19 year old. Went back out and watched him play after I got through with my first round. Found out real quick that I wasn't near as good as I thought I was. Night and day difference between how he hit it and how I hit.

[stingerfade]

2 hours ago, DFS PFD said:

High on the face = Lower spin due to gear effect = flyer as well. Same result as grass between the ball on the face, with a different root cause. 

High on the face flies shorter every time not further. 

[Dicka]

37 minutes ago, Duct Tape said:

Cut’s going to be -4 or 5. 😳

 

I reckon it's going to be lower...unless there's weather around. -3 currently sits at T75! Wouldn't surprise me if there's a new record set here...and a winning score at least -25.

[seis]

Scott Verplank, the last amateur to win a Tour Event,(I think). The late great Western Open.

[paulshack]

Good to see shwatzel near the top wasn't that great that one time he won a tourney like 10 years ago 

[North Texas]

Course toughened up in the afternoon. Only 132 players out of 156 shot under par. 

[DavidCrockett]

2 hours ago, 80sFredriksson said:

Wow what a finish to Jordans round!

 

When everyone was talking about it being a ball-striker's dream and betting on Sergio Garcia, my thought was "Jordan Spieth is one of the better strikers on Tour."

 

 

[bscinstnct]

Holy!

 

Now this is JS! He curvin draws, he peelin fades, 

 

And he dropping bombs at the end!

 

Hey! I posted a video but they took it off YouTube 😤

 

Anyway, he had that JS thing going big time. 

 

Badaboom!!

 

 

Edited May 14, 2021 by bscinstnct

[SwooshLT]

24 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

Holy!

 

Now this is JS! He curvin draws, he peelin fades, 

 

He recovering from no-mans land at 8:25

 

And he dropping bombs at the end!

 

 

 

Badaboom!!

 

 

 

 

I LOVE his in swing commentary;  we all think it yet he says it at the highest level......blades 5i from 214 for a par .....hehe......scheffler bladed a chip on 11 I believe.......there is no perfection , just managing your misses......

 

Doesn't look as pretty as some but certainly is repeating and definitely gets the job done!  

[ThinkingPlus]

Jordan doing Jordan things.  It's Mr. Toad's wild ride this week.

[grm24]

2 hours ago, seis said:

Scott Verplank, the last amateur to win a Tour Event,(I think). The late great Western Open.

Last amateur to win an event on the PGA Tour was Phil Mickelson in 1991. Verplank's win was in 1985.

[Ironman_32]

5 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

Look at these scores!

 

Gotta check this out...

course kind of reminds me of a "longer" Korn Ferry event. 

 

Birdies are plentiful, -1 is tied for 116 place after the first round. 

[DFS PFD]

3 hours ago, stingerfade said:

High on the face flies shorter every time not further. 

Thanks. Talking a couple grooves high, not 5. If you retain most of your ball speed and lose a significant amount of spin I think that’s a formula for a longer shot. But I guess not. 

Edited May 14, 2021 by DFS PFD

[iutodd]

Tomorrow is probably the most important round of the year for Mr. Fowler given where he is in the FedEx and OWGR and what tournament is next week...

 

Rickie hasn't opened a tournament with a round in the 60s since last October.  And the last time he opened with 67 he had a second round 74. 

 

And I have no idea what to expect.  He could go out and shoot 66 or 76 and I'd sort of not be surprised either way.  

[grm24]

2 hours ago, iutodd said:

Tomorrow is probably the most important round of the year for Mr. Fowler given where he is in the FedEx and OWGR and what tournament is next week...

Since Fowler was given an underserved gift of a special exemption into the PGA Championship next week I'd argue that his performance in the PGA is more important since it offers the maximum OWGR and Fed Ex Cup points compared to The Byron Nelson. 

Edited May 14, 2021 by grm24

[elwhippy]

I fear Kiawah may offer a more demanding examination next week....

[the bishop]

8 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

Holy!

 

Now this is JS! He curvin draws, he peelin fades, 

 

And he dropping bombs at the end!

 

Hey! I posted a video but they took it off YouTube 😤

 

Anyway, he had that JS thing going big time. 

 

Badaboom!!

 

 

Pretty respectable driving avg on those velcro fairways.