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1 hour ago, MocGolfer said:

I have read the old reports and articles on the tournament when Tiger had the fans move the rock, or rather boulder so he could hit a shot. It was allowed.

 

I can't find information on current status, would a pro get away with that in today's game? Or would it be a penalty. 

 

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No, they wouldn’t.
 

Let’s say Bryson hit his ball behind a boulder.

 

Fans be like,

 

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And walk away 🤣

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1 hour ago, DavidCrockett said:

 

 

Patrick Reed moved sand, roughly comparable in total volume to that giant boulder, and he was penalized for it.

 

Not the proper analogy, but a nice attempt at humor.

 

My biggest issue with that whole thing is how many players would have had people willing to do that?  Yes I know some players have bigger crowds, so ostensibly easier to find a ball, but this was a crowd deliberately inserting themselves into the competition.  

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1 hour ago, MocGolfer said:

Well, Bryson could move the boulder himself 

He could also hit the ball THROUGH the boulder. So many options.

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1 hour ago, golfortennis said:

 

Not the proper analogy, but a nice attempt at humor.

 

My biggest issue with that whole thing is how many players would have had people willing to do that?  Yes I know some players have bigger crowds, so ostensibly easier to find a ball, but this was a crowd deliberately inserting themselves into the competition.  

Happens all the time, the crowd affects outcomes frequently. People get hit with errant shots and stop them from going ob, into penalty areas, etc. Players hear roars from ahead or behind and know what another player has done before it is posted on any scoreboard. Players get rattled by comments. Lots of ways the crowd gets inserted into the competition. 

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33 minutes ago, smashdn said:

It's loose and it's an impediment.

Exactly it’s in the rules.  It doesn’t have roots. So it’s movable.  

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1 minute ago, smashdn said:

The only caveat would be if it was embedded correct?

Right. I don’t think you can wiggle fence posts till there loose and pull them up.  If the course design desires boulders to be immovable. They need to burry  half in concrete.  🤦‍♂️

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1 hour ago, bladehunter said:

Right. I don’t think you can wiggle fence posts till there loose and pull them up.  If the course design desires boulders to be immovable. They need to burry  half in concrete.  🤦‍♂️

I am sure you were attempting humor but for some reading this thread……

The impediment does not need to be buried in concrete. If it’s just laying on top of the ground it is not embedded.  Note the rule below does not say “cannot be picked UP easily”.  It states picked OUT. Meaning out of the depression or hole. So no matter how large or heavy if laying on top of the ground it can be moved.
 

Such natural objects are not loose if they are:
    •    Attached or growing,
    •    Solidly embedded in the ground (that is, cannot be picked out easily), or
    •    Sticking to the ball.

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48 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Said boulder. 

Here it is. For reference I’m 6’4” 245. I couldn’t imagine even trying to budge that thing! Looks even bigger in person. 2,000 lbs! Also impressive was how far that boulder was from the tee box he hit from. Using an old 975D no less. Back when he was one of the longest guys on tour. Believe he ranked 2nd only behind Daly. 

 

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Ha! You dwarf that. You could have lifted it!

Go back when nobody look and carry to your trunk. Then, we go to Tigers house and drop it off for him. He be so happy, prolly invite us in play some vid and eat popsicles 😃

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1 hour ago, Shilgy said:


 

Such natural objects are not loose if they are:
    •    Attached or growing,
    •    Solidly embedded in the ground (that is, cannot be picked out easily), or
    •    Sticking to the ball.

I'm sure you understand that a boulder of that size, cannot be moved/picked out easily. Yes it was a rule(s) interpretation that was allowed, but it still did not make it right. If something is an obstruction/loose impediment and you need assistance of several people to move it, again IMNSH opinion, that rule needs to be changed or at the very least, objectively redefined.  

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7 minutes ago, disco111 said:

I'm sure you understand that a boulder of that size, cannot be moved/picked out easily. Yes it was a rule(s) interpretation that was allowed, but it still did not make it right. Lets suppose that it was your ball and you didn't have Billy Bob's moving and storage crew available........what would you have done? 

Also makes one wonder if a 1 ton boulder would indeed have a depression under it… What defines a depression? Anything lower than the area surrounding it??? 🤔 Just my shoe technically left a depression in that area. 

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5 minutes ago, disco111 said:

I'm sure you understand that a boulder of that size, cannot be moved/picked out easily. Yes it was a rule(s) interpretation that was allowed, but it still did not make it right. Lets suppose that it was your ball and you didn't have Billy Bob's moving and storage crew available........what would you have done? 

Chipped out or taken a drop. So how would you write the rule? Limited to the size a 90 year old weak woman could lift?  Would that be fair to you? 
 No? That is why the rule is written as it is.

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8 minutes ago, disco111 said:

I'm sure you understand that a boulder of that size, cannot be moved/picked out easily. Yes it was a rule(s) interpretation that was allowed, but it still did not make it right. Lets suppose that it was your ball and you didn't have Billy Bob's moving and storage crew available........what would you have done? 

 

Ahhh, but you are missing a piece. In relation only to the "solidly embedded in the ground" was the "cannot be picked out easily" applied. That boulder was not embedded in the ground, that I recall. It may have been, but I don't recall that it was. Was it?

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3 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Also makes one wonder if a 1 ton boulder would indeed have a depression under it… What defines a depression? Anything lower than the area surrounding it??? 🤔 

It can be in a depression and not be embedded.

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Just now, Obee said:

 

Ahhh, but you are missing a piece. In relation only to the "solidly embedded in the ground" was the "cannot be picked out easily" applied. That boulder was not embedded in the ground, that I recall. It may have been, but I don't recall that it was. Was it?

See the recent picture in the post a few above you. It is a decent sized boulder , certainly not a ton, that was placed there and laying on top of the desert surface.

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6 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

See the recent picture in the post a few above you. It is a decent sized boulder , certainly not a ton, that was placed there and laying on top of the desert surface.

The picture I posted? Boulder in my pic. (The same one that was moved for Tiger) is definitely a ton. Says so right on the plaque. 

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3 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

See the recent picture in the post a few above you. It is a decent sized boulder , certainly not a ton, that was placed there and laying on top of the desert surface.

 

Well that's now, right? How about then?

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9 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

Chipped out or taken a drop. So how would you write the rule? Limited to the size a 90 year old weak woman could lift?  Would that be fair to you? 
 No? That is why the rule is written as it is.

Please, it states as you offered, it can't be picked out easily!!...............that's how the rule is offered. A 1 ton boulder easily falls under the not easily portion of that rule. 

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2 minutes ago, Obee said:

 

Well that's now, right? How about then?

Google is your friend

 

 

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