Animal tracks in bunker

[SportingMike]

What are the rules regarding animal tracks in the bunker??

 

Mike

[jimbo123]

Don't think there's any relief?  That's assuming there are no animal holes nearby...that would potentially give relief under 16.1c

[Mr. Bean]

44 minutes ago, SportingMike said:

What are the rules regarding animal tracks in the bunker??

 

Mike

 

Unless the 'tracks' are holes made by an animal you get no relief. However, Local Rules exist to cover for example the hoof marks of a deer.

 

If those 'tracks' are holes made by an animal then a relief is granted as per Rule 16.1a.

[Quasimoto]

Never going to happen here; all the deer like the short grass of the greens - especially running across them.

[caniac6]

The two legged animals are the worst.

[antip]

On 5/11/2021 at 8:53 PM, Mr. Bean said:

 

Unless the 'tracks' are holes made by an animal you get no relief. However, Local Rules exist to cover for example the hoof marks of a deer.

 

If those 'tracks' are holes made by an animal then a relief is granted as per Rule 16.1a.

A footprint is not a "hole dug in the ground by an animal". An animal walking through the bunker is not a relief situation unless covered by local rules or part of a "worn-down track or trail leading into the hole", per the definition of "Animal Hole" and Animal Hole/1.

[Colin L]

Do kangaroos dig holes in bunkers?

[antip]

1 hour ago, Colin L said:

Do kangaroos dig holes in bunkers?

Possible but highly uncommon for them to 'dig', but they often make a prodigious mess in bunkers without digging. Because they have a very small footprint for their size/weight their footprints make a big mess - that is their most common impact. Another less common but summer special is they can relax/unwind/lounge in the cool sand at the end of a hot day. That is a very large 'footprint'.

Courses with resident kangaroo populations or with limited fencing with bush surrounds (very common in country areas) commonly have GUR local rules include "footprints or casts made by a kangaroo in a bunker", normally excluding interference with stance.

Do highland cattle get into bunkers?

Edited May 13, 2021 by antip
Add on question.

[limegreengent]

Do highland cattle get into bunkers?

 

I guess that you invited that response Colin.😂😂😂

[Mr. Bean]

6 hours ago, antip said:

A footprint is not a "hole dug in the ground by an animal". An animal walking through the bunker is not a relief situation unless covered by local rules or part of a "worn-down track or trail leading into the hole", per the definition of "Animal Hole" and Animal Hole/1.

 

Isn't that what I wrote?

[Mr. Bean]

2 hours ago, antip said:

 Another less common but summer special is they can relax/unwind/lounge in the cool sand at the end of a hot day.

 

How come the sand is cool at the end of the day?? Around here deer tend to go in the bunkers at night to warm their bodies in the warmth of the sand. Maybe the kangaroos dig the cool sand up?

 

Edited May 13, 2021 by Mr. Bean

[antip]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

Isn't that what I wrote?

Your second para could be misunderstood, so I was putting the issue into different words.

[antip]

32 minutes ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

How come the sand is cool at the end of the day?? Around here deer tend to go in the bunkers at night to warm their bodies in the warmth of the sand. Maybe the kangaroos dig the cool sand up?

 

They nestle in a bit for the cooler stuff underneath that also holds moisture. But I'll confess to not having had the conversation.🙂

[Mr. Bean]

2 hours ago, antip said:

Your second para could be misunderstood, so I was putting the issue into different words.

 

You mean this one: 'If those 'tracks' are holes made by an animal then a relief is granted as per Rule 16.1a.'

 

In my 1st para I explained what are holes made by an animal so how can that 2nd para be misuderstood?

[golfortennis]

4 hours ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

How come the sand is cool at the end of the day?? Around here deer tend to go in the bunkers at night to warm their bodies in the warmth of the sand. Maybe the kangaroos dig the cool sand up?

 

 

Because just like toilets flush in the opposite direction in Australia, bunkers in the northern hemisphere are warm, and bunkers in Australia are cool.  

 

Been a while since you took a geography class?  🤪  /s

[Shilgy]

1 hour ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

You mean this one: 'If those 'tracks' are holes made by an animal then a relief is granted as per Rule 16.1a.'

 

In my 1st para I explained what are holes made by an animal so how can that 2nd para be misuderstood?

May be clear to the person who wrote it…..a hoof print in a bunker is a “hole made by an animal”. A hoof print in any soft soil is a hole made by an animal. But not the type of hole the rules imply the animal making. 
 

So we get no relief from a hoof print alone…..is that correct?

[Sawgrass]

A salient question is: is an animal who simply walks through a bunker and leaves a hoof print “digging” a hole or simply leaving a print?

 

IMO the above is not “digging.”

[Colin L]

8 hours ago, antip said:

Do highland cattle get into bunkers?

 

 

Edited May 13, 2021 by Colin L

[Mr. Bean]

1 hour ago, Shilgy said:

May be clear to the person who wrote it…..a hoof print in a bunker is a “hole made by an animal”. A hoof print in any soft soil is a hole made by an animal. But not the type of hole the rules imply the animal making. 
 

So we get no relief from a hoof print alone…..is that correct?

 

There is a Definition for a hole made by an animal. Once you read it all is perfectly clear. I should have pointed out the existence of a Definition.

 

Then again, I did point out the need for a LR to get relief from hoof marks. Without that LR in force no free relief from hoof marks or any 'footprint' af an animal.

 

Edited May 13, 2021 by Mr. Bean

[Mr. Bean]

1 hour ago, golfortennis said:

 

Because just like toilets flush in the opposite direction in Australia,

 

Do you really believe that?

[golfortennis]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

Do you really believe that?

 

You don't?

[Shilgy]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

There is a Definition for a hole made by an animal. Once you read it all is perfectly clear. I should have pointed out the existence of a Definition.

 

Then again, I did point out the need for a LR to get relief from hoof marks. Without that LR in force no free relief from hoof marks or any 'footprint' af an animal.

 

Now called Interpretations

 

 

Animal Hole/1 – Isolated Animal Footprint or Hoof Mark Is Not Animal Hole
An isolated animal footprint that is not leading into an animal hole is not a hole made by an animal but rather is an irregularity of the surface from which relief without penalty is not allowed. However, when such damage is on the putting green, it may be repaired (Rule 13.1c(2) – Improvements Allowed on Putting Green).

[Shilgy]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

Do you really believe that?

Actually they do…but not for the commonly prescribed reason.

 

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/30358/australian-toilets-dont-flush-backwards-because-coriolis-effect

 

[Mr. Bean]

1 hour ago, golfortennis said:

 

You don't?

 

No. I have tried it in the Southern hemisphere and it is a myth. At my home the water runs in both directions depending on the shape of the vessel, diameter of the hole and the movement of the water before draining. In theory it works but not in practice.

[Mr. Bean]

1 hour ago, Shilgy said:

Now called Interpretations

 

 

Definitions are still called Definitions.

[golfortennis]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

No. I have tried it in the Southern hemisphere and it is a myth. At my home the water runs in both directions depending on the shape of the vessel, diameter of the hole and the movement of the water before draining. In theory it works but not in practice.

 

I would have thought the smiley face and /s indicated the post was in jest.  Even added /s to be sure just before posting.

[Mr. Bean]

41 minutes ago, golfortennis said:

 

I would have thought the smiley face and /s indicated the post was in jest.  Even added /s to be sure just before posting.

 

There are people who believe it so how could I be sure. And I do not know what /s means.

[golfortennis]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

There are people who believe it so how could I be sure. And I do not know what /s means.

 

 

OK.  /s means end sarcasm.    

 

 

[Shilgy]

1 hour ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

Definitions are still called Definitions.

Yes, my bad. I went from the rule to Interpretations to animal hole definition.

[antip]

9 hours ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

You mean this one: 'If those 'tracks' are holes made by an animal then a relief is granted as per Rule 16.1a.'

 

In my 1st para I explained what are holes made by an animal so how can that 2nd para be misuderstood?

Because animal tracks cannot be animal holes by the terms of the definition (exception aside - when they lead into a dug hole).

You know what you were intending to say, but IMO not every reader would have been taking the meaning you intended.