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What is the main difference in the flex and performance? It appears the newer shafts that are the 'real deal' carry the TX designation. I tried a used Tensei white in TX and the thing was like a telephone pole, nothing but complete blocks. Not sure if it had been tipped. I have no problems hitting a draw with my Diamana D+ X however. I picked up a SIM with HZDRUS green 6.5  (non tx)  and its ok, but too easy to turn over and not nearly as stable feeling as premium shafts. So i'm looking for recommdations for TX shafts but something that is not complete rebar. can anyone help? i swing driver about 115 

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TX means different things to different companies and there is no standard. It is often not even consistent within the same company. Mitsubishi / Aldila - TX flex is used either for the "premium" upch

I don't think there is a universal answer. For some companies, it's simply a stiffer profile, for others it a different shaft/profile with higher end materials. TX never used to be a thing in the past

@Fujikura Golf Care to shed some wisdom here?   I'd do it for you but I suspect he won't accept an answer from me.

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I like fundustrial's idea.  I game the Ventus Black 7x tripped an inch and it's pretty stout.  I can also turn it over without any issues whatsoever but it doesn't get too hooky for me unless I put a really bad swing on it.  As for TX shafts, they do tend to be stiffer than X flex.  A good MCA shaft that comes in TX that you should test would be the TB line in TX.  It's a little softer in the tip but very stable.  Works great in either driver or fairway metal.  Mid launch/low spin and does not feel like rebar.  For reference which should help you, my ss is slightly higher than yours. 

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42 minutes ago, Cpr3584 said:

What is the main difference in the flex and performance? It appears the newer shafts that are the 'real deal' carry the TX designation. 

Not sure why you think only TX shafts are real deal. That's absolutely not the case.

 

TX shafts are generally stiffer, and often have a different flex profile than their X equivalents. That's about it.

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4 minutes ago, puresurfr said:

I was watching TXG and Ian preferred 50X in the Tensei 1K line vs the 50TX.  

 

I think the preference comes from the fact that in the Tensei Pro series, the X flex were free shaft options and the TX was the $300 uncharge and had boron in the tip.  

I believe the entire CK pro series has boron in the tip.  Got my father a TS2 w/ck pro blue r flex and it said on the tip "boron"

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14 minutes ago, jvincent said:

Not sure why you think only TX shafts are real deal. That's absolutely not the case.

 

TX shafts are generally stiffer, and often have a different flex profile than their X equivalents. That's about it.

sorry but you are wrong here. The X equivalents are junk. made in china with far lesser materials- and any single-digit hc can tell the difference 

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It's pretty much all made in China, and it's all carbon fiber.  For some things (example, AV Raw), you need to buy TX to get the most expensive materials.  Less-than-TX shafts are by no means junk.  TX generally exists to differentiate from X in a shaft line that's available OTR.  For some things (like Ventus velocore, Speeder Evolution, etc), there are no non-premium options so they dispense with the TX designation.

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3 minutes ago, jvincent said:

@Fujikura Golf Care to shed some wisdom here?

 

I'd do it for you but I suspect he won't accept an answer from me.

It looks like you are correct about Fujikura. My apologies

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2 minutes ago, Cpr3584 said:

It looks like you are correct about Fujikura. My apologies

Apology accepted. But it's not just Fujikura.

 

"Real deal" shafts come it different flexes. TX is just another flex with different bend properties. Unlikely that they completely change materials just for a different flex. They will change other things, fiber weave density, wall thickness, etc. to get the desired profile.

 

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I think im going to stick with my hzrdus green 6.5 non-tx for a while. There is nowhere to demo or hit these any of these tx shafts so I have no idea what is going to work or not. the tensei tx i ordered on ebay was a disaster. thanks everyone for the info

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27 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

I believe the entire CK pro series has boron in the tip.  Got my father a TS2 w/ck pro blue r flex and it said on the tip "boron"

 

You are correct, i meant that Tensei released a shaft that looked exactly like the Proseries in terms of graphics.  The easiest way to tell the difference between the 2 if u could not see the tip graphic was by flex.  The CK ProSeries did not produce a X flex , but the cheaper Tensei series which could be had for zero upcharge only had X-Flex and no TX flex.

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1 hour ago, Cpr3584 said:

What is the main difference in the flex and performance? It appears the newer shafts that are the 'real deal' carry the TX designation. I tried a used Tensei white in TX and the thing was like a telephone pole, nothing but complete blocks. Not sure if it had been tipped. I have no problems hitting a draw with my Diamana D+ X however. I picked up a SIM with HZDRUS green 6.5  (non tx)  and its ok, but too easy to turn over and not nearly as stable feeling as premium shafts. So i'm looking for recommdations for TX shafts but something that is not complete rebar. can anyone help? i swing driver about 115 

there is no standard for flex....a TX in one shaft could be a R in another....

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TX typically has more expensive materials, then X version, sometimes a stiffer tip section too.  But TX does NOT necessary mean it's stiffer than X counterpart.  All depends on the OEM shaft company.

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2 hours ago, Cpr3584 said:

What is the main difference in the flex and performance? It appears the newer shafts that are the 'real deal' carry the TX designation. I tried a used Tensei white in TX and the thing was like a telephone pole, nothing but complete blocks. Not sure if it had been tipped. I have no problems hitting a draw with my Diamana D+ X however. I picked up a SIM with HZDRUS green 6.5  (non tx)  and its ok, but too easy to turn over and not nearly as stable feeling as premium shafts. So i'm looking for recommdations for TX shafts but something that is not complete rebar. can anyone help? i swing driver about 115 

 

When you asked about TX versus X I thought you essentially meant "Tensei Pro" versus "Tensei non-Pro." 

 

When you're looking at the Tensei Pro models (i.e. the real deal expensive versions) they list the X as the TX. Just a stupid little weird idiosyncrasy. There is no X in the Pro line. It's just called TX

 

Take a look at the website:

 

https://www.mca-golf.com/products/ck-pro-orange

 

Thus, my extra-stiff Tensei Pro Orange is a labeled 60-TX. There wouldn't be any such thing as a Tensei Pro Orange 60-X. 

 

If you're curious what the differences are between the Pro versions and the non-Pro versions which are out there, it's more or less in the materials. The Pro versions feature stiffer tip sections (Boron or MK-70 stamped on the tip) as we all a longer CK (Carbon-Kevlar) weave in the handle (often obscured under the grip). 

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When you asked about TX versus X I thought you essentially meant "Tensei Pro" versus "Tensei non-Pro." 

 

When you're looking at the Tensei Pro models (i.e. the real deal expensive versions) they list the X as the TX. Just a stupid little weird idiosyncrasy. There is no X in the Pro line. It's just called TX

 

Thus, my extra-stiff Tensei Pro Orange is a labeled 60-TX. There wouldn't be any such thing as a Tensei Pro Orange 60-X. 

 

Take a look at the website:

 

https://www.mca-golf.com/products/ck-pro-orange

thanks- yea the tensi pro TX i tried out was the same way. I did some half-swings with the X in the store and it feel smooth but stable for a 'made for' shaft...so I went and ordered a TX..thinking it would be similar . nope. TX for Mitsuvishi is an entirely different beast 

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I wonder is the TX use as a flex designation got started as an alternative to using XX or 2X as a flex designation.  Aside from the obvious "porno flex" jokes, it seems that TX is easier to accept, while XX conjures a long drive image.

 

For some, anyway.  <shrug>

 

Personally speaking, I tweaked a bit once I learned the unmarked shaft id been using was "2X" instead of X.  Though it was in my relatively early days of golf...

 

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22 minutes ago, Cpr3584 said:

thanks- yea the tensi pro TX i tried out was the same way. I did some half-swings with the X in the store and it feel smooth but stable for a 'made for' shaft...so I went and ordered a TX..thinking it would be similar . nope. TX for Mitsuvishi is an entirely different beast 

 

I can fathom that. 

 

I originally had a TaylorMade M3 driver with the stock (made-for) Tensei Blue. When I upgraded to my current Pro Orange 60-TX there was a pretty obvious bump in stiffness. 

 

I don't think all "made-for" shafts are necessarily the same unfortunately. Some companies' stock shafts are probably a little more flimsy than others. While the TaylorMade Tensei Blue felt kind of weak, I think Titleist generally gets more favorable reviews for their made-for shafts. Maybe they're getting slightly stronger versions of the Tensei Blue, for instance, even if it's still not quite the Pro version. 

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I like the feel of the Pro Orange. I heard however the shaft is very light in the tip and requires significant head weighting to get it up to normal playing weight. Any truth to this?

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4 minutes ago, Cpr3584 said:

I like the feel of the Pro Orange. I heard however the shaft is very light in the tip and requires significant head weighting to get it up to normal playing weight. Any truth to this?

Yes it's a counter balance design. Not necessarily requiring "significant" weight, but requiring some to get the same swing weight as a non counterbalance shaft. 

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3 hours ago, jvincent said:

Apology accepted. But it's not just Fujikura.

 

"Real deal" shafts come it different flexes. TX is just another flex with different bend properties. Unlikely that they completely change materials just for a different flex. They will change other things, fiber weave density, wall thickness, etc. to get the desired profile.

 

@MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL can comment on their product lines.

Yeah I would love to hear what the Fuji and MCA rep has to say about this subject.  I always thought that the TX flex versions were a little stiffer in certain areas mainly tip, no?

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2 hours ago, phizzy30 said:

Yeah I would love to hear what the Fuji and MCA rep has to say about this subject.  I always thought that the TX flex versions were a little stiffer in certain areas mainly tip, no?

 

Depending on the shaft in question Russ Ryden has profiles for all of them on his website. Off the top of my head I don't remember if he has TX profiles for all the shafts that offer it but I know on a couple they have different stiffness profiles.

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