Are these guys Hall of Famers

[grm24]

1 hour ago, tatertot said:

The minimum requirements to get on the ballot are 15 wins on a "major" tour or 2 majors, correct? And that's just to get on ballot ... Furyk and Day are just squeaking in (although you would think Day has a lot left in the tank).

 

I think Sergio is in, especially with his Ryder Cup record.

 

Day will be.

 

Furyk ... no, but close.

https://www.worldgolfhalloffame.org/criteria/

 

Male Competitor
A player must have a cumulative total of 15 or more official victories on any of the original members of the International Federation of PGA Tours (PGA TOUR, European Tour, Japan Golf Tour, Sunshine Tour, Asian Tour and PGA of Australasia) OR at least two victories among the following events: The Masters, THE PLAYERS Championship, the U.S. Open, The Open Championship and the PGA Championship.

 

A player must be at least 45 years old during the year of a given Induction Ceremony (example: A player be at least 45 years old in 2021 in order to qualify for the Class of 2021), or be at least three years removed from being an active participant (as determined by the Tour) on any of the original members of the International Federation of PGA Tours.          

[grm24]

1 hour ago, naval2006 said:

Lanny Wadkins hall of famer that comes to my mind with only a PGA Championship as sole Major. I believe Jim and Sergio are heavier than Lanny in pro golf. 

Lanny won a Players Championship as well. Furyk never won the Players.

[grm24]

2 hours ago, Shilgy said:

Agree….some seem stuck on the idea of 20+ wins and 2 majors being mandatory.

 

Using those standards there would  currently be just 28 guys in the hall.

 

 

Many people also seem to think that a players performance on the PGA Tour is the sole criteria to be eligible for the WGHOF.

[grm24]

1 hour ago, naval2006 said:

Lanny Wadkins hall of famer that comes to my mind with only a PGA Championship as sole Major. 

Davis Love III would like to have a word with you. 

[grm24]

3 hours ago, golfandfishing said:

1) making a mistake in the past does not obligate anyone to make it again. So FC doesn’t need to be the bar forever.

And Couples (along with Colin Montgomerie and VJ Singh) got into the HOF under a completely different selection criteria than what is used today.

[golfandfishing]

22 minutes ago, grm24 said:

And Couples (along with Colin Montgomerie and VJ Singh) got into the HOF under a completely different selection criteria than what is used today.

Vijay is HoF’er under any criteria. 

[3whacker]

How about David Duval....one major, but its a biggie...one Players Championship...former #1 in the OWGR

[m d g]

1 hour ago, tiderider said:

Brad Pitt? ... 

Really! His name is synonymous with 'Movie Star.' Kind of what I was getting at. He's not the best actor (not Tiger), but he's an icon...the Robert Redford of his day.

[cdnglf]

Sergio yes

Furyk probably not

Day maybe but needs to do more

 

 

[grm24]

1 hour ago, golfandfishing said:

Vijay is HoF’er under any criteria. 

Absolutely. It was a joke when he was voted for in 2006 that he didn't receive 65% of the required vote but go in due to the 50% rule in place. For those that don't know that rule here is a refresher. 

 

https://thesandtrap.com/b/pga/vijay_singh_to_become_youngest_member_of_hall_of_fame

 

As written on The Sand Trap earlier this year, Vijay Singh was one of thirty-three players listed on the ballot. Singh received 56 percent of the votes on the returned ballots. One must receive 65 percent of the votes to be elected. How was he elected with less than the required number of votes? Another rule states that when nobody receives the “required” 65-percent the highest vote-getter will be inducted. Larry Nelson was Singh’s closest competitor with 55 percent of the votes. Other players on the ballot to receive a high number of votes were Curtis Strange (50 percent), Henry Picard (49 percent), and Craig Wood (41 percent).

 

For Couples and Montgomerie the same deal.

 

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/9247080/despite-controversy-surrounding-fred-couples-colin-montgomerie-show-go-world-golf-hall-fame-golf

 

 

That is what makes their inclusion at this point somewhat controversial. The voting body, which consists of golf media, historians, dignitaries and past winners, is not divulged. No breakdown of votes is given, only a percentage.

Couples received just 51 percent of the vote, with Montgomerie getting only 51 percent of the vote on the international ballot. (Why there is a separate international ballot -- it is, after all, a World Hall of Fame -- is anyone's guess; it is not a PGA Tour Hall of Fame.)

 

Because nobody received more than 65 percent of the votes in each category, the Hall allows in anyone who gets at least 50 percent. How convenient that both Couples and Montgomerie barely reached that threshold (for baseball, a minimum of 75 percent of the vote is required). Why not wait until they get the 65 percent minimum?

 

 

[wildcatden]

If Day and Furyk team up and call themselves "The Slammer and the Squire", they are sure to get into the World Golf Hall of Fame.

[Shilgy]

17 minutes ago, grm24 said:

Absolutely. It was a joke when he was voted for in 2006 that he didn't receive 65% of the required vote but go in due to the 50% rule in place. For those that don't know that rule here is a refresher. 

 

https://thesandtrap.com/b/pga/vijay_singh_to_become_youngest_member_of_hall_of_fame

 

As written on The Sand Trap earlier this year, Vijay Singh was one of thirty-three players listed on the ballot. Singh received 56 percent of the votes on the returned ballots. One must receive 65 percent of the votes to be elected. How was he elected with less than the required number of votes? Another rule states that when nobody receives the “required” 65-percent the highest vote-getter will be inducted. Larry Nelson was Singh’s closest competitor with 55 percent of the votes. Other players on the ballot to receive a high number of votes were Curtis Strange (50 percent), Henry Picard (49 percent), and Craig Wood (41 percent).

 

For Couples and Montgomerie the same deal.

 

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/9247080/despite-controversy-surrounding-fred-couples-colin-montgomerie-show-go-world-golf-hall-fame-golf

 

 

That is what makes their inclusion at this point somewhat controversial. The voting body, which consists of golf media, historians, dignitaries and past winners, is not divulged. No breakdown of votes is given, only a percentage.

Couples received just 51 percent of the vote, with Montgomerie getting only 51 percent of the vote on the international ballot. (Why there is a separate international ballot -- it is, after all, a World Hall of Fame -- is anyone's guess; it is not a PGA Tour Hall of Fame.)

 

Because nobody received more than 65 percent of the votes in each category, the Hall allows in anyone who gets at least 50 percent. How convenient that both Couples and Montgomerie barely reached that threshold (for baseball, a minimum of 75 percent of the vote is required). Why not wait until they get the 65 percent minimum?

 

 

Based on the replies in this thread and the many others like it…..it’s easy to see why they have an international ballot.

 

 

Also, it’s funny how opinions vary.  I had a reply to a post the other day hat claimed winning 20 events with 5 majors today was he equivalent of Tigers marks of 82 and 15.  And yet many on these threads think the old 20 and 2 is he minimum to walk in the front door of the hof.

[iBanesto]

I would say Garcia and Furyk are more famous than Day.

 

Honestly, no one really cares about the HoF.

[Aviador Naval]

Struggling to understand how a guy with a major, 17 wins, and the lowest score recorded on tour is a hard "I can't stand his octopus swing" NO but Rickie Fowler with a Aussi accent is a "he'll get there..."

 

Day is a nice bloke but he belongs next to Rickie in the "Is Fowler the next Sergio" drivel thread.  Maybe that thread should be, "Can Day and Fowler beat Sergio in best ball?"

[dalehead]

The World Golf Hall of Fame got off to an auspicious start. Here is the list of the first inductees in 1974.

 

Walter Hagen
Ben Hogan
Bobby Jones
Byron Nelson
Jack Nicklaus
Francis Ouimet
Arnold Palmer
Gary Player
Gene Sarazen
Sam Snead
Harry Vardon

 

IMHO standards have slipped considerably since then. Fred Couples? DLIII? They belong in that company? And I’m not just picking on them, there are other members with records similar to theirs.The current standard of 15 total wins on the major world tours, including The Japan, Sunshine, Asian, and Australian tours, plus 2 wins in the majors or Players should be the minimum for consideration, not an automatic entry. Any if no one gets the required 65% of the votes there are no inductees that year.

 

As for Jason Day, Furyk, and Sergio, compare them to the original inductees and tell me what you think.

[grm24]

10 minutes ago, dalehead said:

The current standard of 15 total wins on the major world tours, including The Japan, Sunshine, Asian, and Australian tours, plus 2 wins in the majors or Players should be the minimum for consideration, not an automatic entry.

 

Any if no one gets the required 65% of the votes there are no inductees that year.

1) Meeting the minimum standard for hall consideration does not give you an automatic entry to the Hall Of Fame. Players that meet the minimum standard still have to be nominated by a board. Then if nominated they are then voted upon for entry.

 

2) There is a different vetting and voting procedure now. There is still a voting threshold component of it but it's now 75%. It's not done by the golf media as it was previous. Here is the current procedures. From the World Golf HOF website.

 

https://www.worldgolfhalloffame.org/criteria/#nominating

 

Vetting Process

Male & Female Competitor Categories
The Nominating Committee will review the list of players who meet the minimum criteria to qualify in the Male and Female Competitor categories. In the first round of vetting, members of the Nominating Committee will submit their top 8 players in both categories. 

 

The results will be tabulated and presented to the Nominating Committee for discussion. The results will also be presented to all Hall of Fame members, who will be asked to submit four recommendations in both categories. The Nominating Committee will then determine up to four finalists in both categories and submit the results to the Selection Committee for their consideration.

 

An individual will remain in consideration as long as he or she receives support during the first round of vetting. If a player receives no support during the first round of vetting for three consecutive selection cycles, that player will be removed from consideration.

 

Contributor Category
The Nominating Committee will review the list of individuals who have been nominated in the Contributor category. In the first round of vetting, each member of the Nominating Committee will submit 4 individuals.

The results will be tabulated and presented to the Nominating Committee for discussion. The results will also be presented to all Hall of Fame members, who will be asked to submit two recommendations. The Nominating Committee will then determine up to two finalists and submit the results to the Selection Committee for their consideration.

________________________________________________________________________________________________

Finalist Stage

Class Size
The Selection Committee shall not select a cumulative total of more than four individuals from the three categories listed below to be inducted in any single selection cycle.

 

Male & Female Competitor Categories
The Selection Committee will be presented with up to four finalists in both the Male and Female Competitor categories to consider for induction. The Selection Committee will discuss the merits of each finalist and conduct a vote to determine if he or she will be inducted into the World Golf Hall of Fame. 

In order to be inducted, an individual must receive approval from at least 75% of the Selection Committee.

[Ghostwedge]

The shine has been off a lot of things lately.....Gladys Knight and the Pips are in the Rock n Roll HOF and Grand Funk Railroad isn't ? WTH is that all about ?

Political correctness I guess.  Nothing is special now, everyone gets a trophy.

I like Day , Furyk, etc. but in with Jack, Arnie , Hogan and Snead ? Uh no.

[dalehead]

5 minutes ago, grm24 said:

1) Meeting the minimum standard for hall consideration does not give you an automatic entry to the Hall Of Fame. Players that meet the minimum standard still have to be nominated by a board. Then if nominated they are then voted upon for entry.

 

2) There is a different vetting and voting procedure now. There is still a voting threshold component of it but it's now 75%. It's not done by the golf media as it was previous. Here is the current procedures. From the World Golf HOF website.

 

https://www.worldgolfhalloffame.org/criteria/#nominating

 

Vetting Process

Male & Female Competitor Categories
The Nominating Committee will review the list of players who meet the minimum criteria to qualify in the Male and Female Competitor categories. In the first round of vetting, members of the Nominating Committee will submit their top 8 players in both categories. 

 

The results will be tabulated and presented to the Nominating Committee for discussion. The results will also be presented to all Hall of Fame members, who will be asked to submit four recommendations in both categories. The Nominating Committee will then determine up to four finalists in both categories and submit the results to the Selection Committee for their consideration.

 

An individual will remain in consideration as long as he or she receives support during the first round of vetting. If a player receives no support during the first round of vetting for three consecutive selection cycles, that player will be removed from consideration.

 

Contributor Category
The Nominating Committee will review the list of individuals who have been nominated in the Contributor category. In the first round of vetting, each member of the Nominating Committee will submit 4 individuals.

The results will be tabulated and presented to the Nominating Committee for discussion. The results will also be presented to all Hall of Fame members, who will be asked to submit two recommendations. The Nominating Committee will then determine up to two finalists and submit the results to the Selection Committee for their consideration.

________________________________________________________________________________________________

Finalist Stage

Class Size
The Selection Committee shall not select a cumulative total of more than four individuals from the three categories listed below to be inducted in any single selection cycle.

 

Male & Female Competitor Categories
The Selection Committee will be presented with up to four finalists in both the Male and Female Competitor categories to consider for induction. The Selection Committee will discuss the merits of each finalist and conduct a vote to determine if he or she will be inducted into the World Golf Hall of Fame. 

In order to be inducted, an individual must receive approval from at least 75% of the Selection Committee.

I know the minimum standards are not an automatic entry into the HOF, but they have become a de facto ticket in recent years. How else do you explain Fred Couples? 15 PGA Tour wins 3 European tour wins. A Masters and a Players. Good career? OK. HOF? C’mon man!

[mosesgolf]

Imo 2 majors is a prerequisite for HOF. 

No Fred Couples.  He was Mr Popular but not HOF material. 

[grm24]

37 minutes ago, dalehead said:

I know the minimum standards are not an automatic entry into the HOF, but they have become a de facto ticket in recent years. How else do you explain Fred Couples? 15 PGA Tour wins 3 European tour wins. A Masters and a Players. Good career? OK. HOF? C’mon man!

Couples didn't get in under the current rules. He was voted in under different circumstances which has already been pointed out in this thread. Couples actually has 15 PGA Tour wins with 1 major and 2 Players. Under the current rules the Players counts the same as a  major. Only 2 ET wins (Masters win doesn't count on each tour). And FWIW I've never said Couples is a HOFer. I've just pointed out why he is in the HOF. Huge difference. FTR Couples being voted in was a huge reason why the HOF voting rules were changed.

 

What do you think about a player being in the HOF with only 11 PGA Tour wins but has 3 majors and 1 ET win? Or a player with only 10 PGA Tour wins with 3 majors and 4 wins in Japan? How about 14 wins and 1 major?

 

Players in question are Payne Stewart, Larry Nelson, Ken Venturi. Venturi was inducted to the HOF the same year as Couples.

Edited May 15, 2021 by grm24

[Rob G 89]

Nope tiger was so dominant it’s going to be a lean hall of fame from the years he played.

When you saw when he was injured and not playing well BK DJ Rory and Spieth emerged.

JT and Bryson are on their way in to.

[grm24]

1 hour ago, Shilgy said:

 I had a reply to a post the other day hat claimed winning 20 events with 5 majors today was he equivalent of Tigers marks of 82 and 15.

I saw that comment. One of the dumbest statements posted here in recent times.

[tatertot]

1 hour ago, dalehead said:

The World Golf Hall of Fame got off to an auspicious start. Here is the list of the first inductees in 1974.

 

Walter Hagen
Ben Hogan
Bobby Jones
Byron Nelson
Jack Nicklaus
Francis Ouimet
Arnold Palmer
Gary Player
Gene Sarazen
Sam Snead
Harry Vardon

 

IMHO standards have slipped considerably since then. Fred Couples? DLIII? They belong in that company? And I’m not just picking on them, there are other members with records similar to theirs.The current standard of 15 total wins on the major world tours, including The Japan, Sunshine, Asian, and Australian tours, plus 2 wins in the majors or Players should be the minimum for consideration, not an automatic entry. Any if no one gets the required 65% of the votes there are no inductees that year.

 

As for Jason Day, Furyk, and Sergio, compare them to the original inductees and tell me what you think.

This is pretty commonplace for sports hall of fames ... Bill Simmons (who can be an acquired taste, to say the least) actually does a really good job of breaking down the Basketball Hall of Fame into a pyramid of levels ... you kind of have to do that for all sports hall of fames these days.

[WhostherealSlimShady]

Jim and Sergio will be in HO. Jason will never be in.

[jomatty]

4 hours ago, Aviador Naval said:

Struggling to understand how a guy with a major, 17 wins, and the lowest score recorded on tour is a hard "I can't stand his octopus swing" NO but Rickie Fowler with a Aussi accent is a "he'll get there..."

 

Day is a nice bloke but he belongs next to Rickie in the "Is Fowler the next Sergio" drivel thread.  Maybe that thread should be, "Can Day and Fowler beat Sergio in best ball?"

That doesn’t take into account days record in golf...

[elwhippy]

The whole hall of fame thing is a waste of time. Your fans and peers respect is worth far more. Rock n Roll HOF is even worse...some awesome artists never nominated. 

[Aviador Naval]

16 minutes ago, jomatty said:

That doesn’t take into account days record in golf...

 

Fair enough - his '15 and '16 seasons were very solid...

[anth]

He’s not a shoe in I guess, but I’m surprised that a guy who has a Major, a Players, 2 x WGC Matchplays and 51 weeks at Number 1 is somehow considered so far behind Furyk and Sergio.

[anth]

People have short memories. Day seems to occupy the same place as Kaymer (Kaymer’s record is better).

 

People forget how good those runs were, how dominant they were even if it was for only brief periods of time 

[Loose_Ferrule]

Sergio has no respect for the game of golf or the other players, which likely won't help his cause.

 

Jason Day doesn't care about his 2nd Major as he's not even trying to qualify for the US Open, he's going to a corporate outing instead. Good effort Jason, nice to see you've got the hunger back.