Are these guys Hall of Famers

[cdnglf]

1 hour ago, Bad9 said:

 

I'm pretty sure you could go back to the year Couples got in and he didn't make the minimum criteria but at the time someone had to be induced every year and he was closest. I stand to be corrected but thats how I remember it.

 

On DLIII after seeing some of his numbers and reading analysis here from posted I respect he probably does deserve to be in.So yes sometimes stuff on the internet can change your mind.

 

The "Couples loophole" was with voting percentage: "65%, in the event that no candidate receives 65%, the
nominee receiving the most votes with at least 50% is elected"

 

He had more than 50% of the vote, but less than 65%

 

He met the minimum eligibility requirements at the time:

• Minimum of 40 years old
• PGA Tour member for 10 years
• 10 PGA Tour wins or two wins in the majors or Players Championship

I've often seen these misinterpreted as induction requirements, but they're just a screening tool to keep the number of candidates manageable.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Golf_Hall_of_Fame

 

 

[smashdn]

1 hour ago, Shilgy said:

There is more to it than wins and majors which is why Couples in is and Pavin not.  Pavin briefly got as high as #2 in the rankings while Couples reached #1 and was Player of the Year on tour twice along with two Players Championship wins

 

You underestimate the importance of the moustache.

[Shilgy]

4 minutes ago, smashdn said:

 

You underestimate the importance of the moustache.

True, and he certainly won the US Open with inferior equipment.

 

[MUNIGRIT]

Is Bubba Watson a HOF player?

[cdnglf]

6 hours ago, MUNIGRIT said:

Is Bubba Watson a HOF player?

 

Goosen is and Janzen isn't.

 

See also: Zach Johnson, Martin Kaymer

[MUNIGRIT]

51 minutes ago, cdnglf said:

 

Goosen is and Janzen isn't.

 

See also: Zach Johnson, Martin Kaymer

Bubba & ZJ in Jansen & Kaymer no I would say.

[anth]

Kaymer’s career more decorated than all those players...

[golfandfishing]

9 minutes ago, anth said:

Kaymer’s career more decorated than all those players...

I dunno - 2 majors and a players plus 8 Euro wins. ZJ, even though I dislike him, 2 majors plus 10 other tour wins IMO is at least equal and maybe greater. Both are short of the HoF. 

[anth]

Kaymer No 1 player in the world. And if 2 majors, a Players and a No.1 ranking don’t qualify you for the HoF we might as well not have one.

 

And before anyone says the Number 1 ranking doesn’t mean anything consider the level of sustained excellence required to get there.

[golfandfishing]

3 minutes ago, anth said:

Kaymer No 1 player in the world. And if 2 majors, a Players and a No.1 ranking don’t qualify you for the HoF we might as well not have one.

 

And before anyone says the Number 1 ranking doesn’t mean anything consider the level of sustained excellence required to get there.

Eh he’s just short of the total wins. He wasn’t a prolific winner. He won some big events, but never racked them

up. Lee Janzen has 2 majors and a Players and is nowhere near the HoF, his career was basically 6 years. Same for Kaymer - 6 years. That’s just not long enough IMO to make a Hall of Fame unless you totally dominate those 6 years and the end might even need to be at least a little tragic. 

[anth]

We’ll have to agree to disagree. Length of career shouldn’t matter. If you win the Slam in one year and drop off the face of the Earth you’re still in IMO.  By your reckoning if Brooks never won again he wouldn’t get it in...

[MUNIGRIT]

World ranking doesn't matter because you have guys like Donald and Westwood who got there but never won a major and Phil who's ranking based off points was higher than those 2 guys yet never got to number 1. 

 

With 2 majors you need at least 10 PGA tour wins. 1 major around 20 PGA tour wins.

[anth]

Here I was thinking it was the World Golf Hall of Fame. Clearly it’s just the PGA Tour Hall of Fame.

 

How many PGAT wins do you need if you’ve won 4 majors? Asking for a friend...

[grm24]

1 hour ago, MUNIGRIT said:

With 2 majors you need at least 10 PGA tour wins. 1 major around 20 PGA tour wins.

In your opinion. WGHOF qualifications say other wise.

[grm24]

3 hours ago, golfandfishing said:

Eh he’s just short of the total wins. He wasn’t a prolific winner. He won some big events, but never racked them

up. Lee Janzen has 2 majors and a Players and is nowhere near the HoF, his career was basically 6 years. Same for Kaymer - 6 years. That’s just not long enough IMO to make a Hall of Fame unless you totally dominate those 6 years and the end might even need to be at least a little tragic. 

Kaymer is eligible for the WGHOF solely due to his 2 major wins. Doesn't mean he will be voted into the WGHOF. The WGHOF website explains a players eligibility clearly. Too many people in these threads only look at what a player has done on the PGA Tour. First mistake.

 

Here is the current eligibility criteria. 

 

A player must have a cumulative total of 15 or more official victories on any of the original members of the International Federation of PGA Tours (PGA TOUR, European Tour, Japan Golf Tour, Sunshine Tour, Asian Tour and PGA of Australasia) OR at least two victories among the following events: The Masters, THE PLAYERS Championship, the U.S. Open, The Open Championship and the PGA Championship.

Edited May 22, 2021 by grm24

[golfandfishing]

7 hours ago, grm24 said:

Kaymer is eligible for the WGHOF solely due to his 2 major wins. Doesn't mean he will be voted into the WGHOF. The WGHOF website explains a players eligibility clearly. Too many people in these threads only look at what a player has done on the PGA Tour. First mistake.

 

Here is the current eligibility criteria. 

 

A player must have a cumulative total of 15 or more official victories on any of the original members of the International Federation of PGA Tours (PGA TOUR, European Tour, Japan Golf Tour, Sunshine Tour, Asian Tour and PGA of Australasia) OR at least two victories among the following events: The Masters, THE PLAYERS Championship, the U.S. Open, The Open Championship and the PGA Championship.

Ugh. He’s eligible to be on the ballot. Not the same thing as being inducted. 

[Shilgy]

1 hour ago, golfandfishing said:

Ugh. He’s eligible to be on the ballot. Not the same thing as being inducted. 

Ugh, that’s what he said.

 

Guys if we’re going to argue can we at least read the whole post?

 

This is what he posted that you replied to….

Doesn't mean he will be voted into theWGHOF

 

[MUNIGRIT]

9 hours ago, grm24 said:

In your opinion. WGHOF qualifications say other wise.

Yup there is alot more to it like popularity contest etc.