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I've come to the conclusion from playing on course that I drive better with a deeper faced driver.  I've been playing an old M2 but strayed last summer and the beginning of this season to try an M5 & M6.  Started poking around looking at drivers this morning after my round and am curious what drivers on today's market have deeper faces?  Seems like Titleist still is a fairly deep faced driver, didnt seem like Cally has much.  Is the TS3 (not the TSi) considered deep face?  What others am I missing? 

 

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I've come to the conclusion from playing on course that I drive better with a deeper faced driver.  I've been playing an old M2 but strayed last summer and the beginning of this season to try an M5 & M6.  Started poking around looking at drivers this morning after my round and am curious what drivers on today's market have deeper faces?  Seems like Titleist still is a fairly deep faced driver, didnt seem like Cally has much.  Is the TS3 (not the TSi) considered deep face?  What others am I missing? 

 

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Most all of the Japanese Domestic Market (JDM) brand drivers are deep face designs. The Japanese consumers seem to prefer traditional-pear shaped driver heads, and (at 460CC head size) the only way to achieve that shape is by having a relatively deep face height.

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Technically the SIM 2 is considered deeper faced than it's predecessor the OG SIM.  However, it does spin more than the SIM.  So my question is, are you strictly looking for a deep face driver or one that that also spins less? 

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20 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

Technically the SIM 2 is considered deeper faced than it's predecessor the OR SIM.  However, it does spin more than the SIM.  So my question is, are you strictly looking for a deep face driver or one that that also spins less? 

Just looking at deep faces drivers, my spin is good so I don’t need to reduce it or add to it really.  I really like the M2 but it’s going on 5 years old now so I was just curious what else is out there and started poking around and didn’t find much 

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Ts3 and Tsi3, 917D3 and 905S are considered deep face.   Deep face drivers are not as common today as they used to be.  I suspect CAD has affected design in such a way, deep or shallow faces are not as important as internal design.

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10 minutes ago, Pepperturbo said:

Ts3 and Tsi3, 917D3 and 905S are considered deep face.   Deep face drivers are not as common today as they used to be.  I suspect CAD has affected design in such a way, deep or shallow faces are not as important as internal design.

Interesting, so would it be a look/comfort thing that I seem to hit them better?  Or I guess it could all be in my head 😂

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Interesting, so would it be a look/comfort thing that I seem to hit them better?  Or I guess it could all be in my head 😂

I am not sure look/comfort is behind hitting deep face better, it's more about your swing.  Think of deep vs shallow as one has more vertical face space vs lateral face space.  Deep face internal design provides a different trajectory, compared to Shallow face.  IMO - deep face needs a bit more SS, and it tends to be less forgiving yardage wise with off-center strikes.

 

FYI: Deep face was quite common in older drivers.  Shallow drivers are the result of CAD influence.  I played deep-face heads (905-S 9.5) for a long time, then switched to TS2 9.5 which is more shallow and forgiving.  Deep face is more for working the ball.  Though I still work my irons, I don't work the driver as much as I used to.  Having said that TS2 is workable left & right, just not as easy due to its forgiving internal design. 

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8 minutes ago, Pepperturbo said:

I am not sure look/comfort is behind hitting deep face better, it's more about your swing.  Think of deep vs shallow as one has more vertical face space vs lateral face space.  Deep face internal design provides a different trajectory, compared to Shallow face.  IMO - deep face needs a bit more SS, and it tends to be less forgiving yardage wise with off-center strikes.

 

FYI: Deep face was quite common in older drivers.  Shallow drivers are the result of CAD influence.  I played deep-face heads (905-S 9.5) for a long time, then switched to TS2 9.5 which is more shallow and forgiving.  Deep face is more for working the ball.  Though I still work my irons, I don't work the driver as much as I used to.  Having said that TS2 is workable left & right, just not as easy due to its forgiving internal design. 

Greta info, I tried both the M5 & 6 and wasn’t as long  (not by much, with same shaft) but far worse directionally with both.  I’ve had good luck with both the 905 S & R in the past as well as the old 913 but hated the feel of the 917.  Might be time to try the TS line. 

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1 hour ago, Bigjim1022 said:

Just looking at deep faces drivers, my spin is good so I don’t need to reduce it or add to it really.  I really like the M2 but it’s going on 5 years old now so I was just curious what else is out there and started poking around and didn’t find much 

I would recommend the TSi3 or TSi4 drivers then.  Both are deep face drivers and are lower spin than shallow face drivers. 

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19 minutes ago, Pepperturbo said:

I am not sure look/comfort is behind hitting deep face better, it's more about your swing.  Think of deep vs shallow as one has more vertical face space vs lateral face space.  Deep face internal design provides a different trajectory, compared to Shallow face.  IMO - deep face needs a bit more SS, and it tends to be less forgiving yardage wise with off-center strikes.

 

FYI: Deep face was quite common in older drivers.  Shallow drivers are the result of CAD influence.  I played deep-face heads (905-S 9.5) for a long time, then switched to TS2 9.5 which is more shallow and forgiving.  Deep face is more for working the ball.  Though I still work my irons, I don't work the driver as much as I used to.  Having said that TS2 is workable left & right, just not as easy due to its forgiving internal design. 

Do you remember the R9 Super Deep?  Man that thing was a beast.  You had to bring it.  Low launch and spin head.  I would say low launch and spin as the FT-9TA and just as unforgiving. 

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11 minutes ago, Bigjim1022 said:

Greta info, I tried both the M5 & 6 and wasn’t as long  (not by much, with same shaft) but far worse directionally with both.  I’ve had good luck with both the 905 S & R in the past as well as the old 913 but hated the feel of the 917.  Might be time to try the TS line. 

905-R was the 460 head, shallower face with larger sweet spot, and more forgiving comparable to today's Ts2.  905S was shallow front to back, COG was closer to the face and 400cc, and 905t was kind of an odd ball, don't recall its specs.

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1 minute ago, phizzy30 said:

Do you remember the R9 Super Deep?  Man that thing was a beast.  You had to bring it.  Low launch and spin head.  I would say low launch and spin as the FT-9TA and just as unforgiving. 

I recall it but not details.  Since taking up the game, I have been a Mizuno but mostly a Titleist guy since playing.  I played 905-S for a long time; like the R9, better have a solid swing otherwise the ball wasn't going anywhere. 

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1 hour ago, phizzy30 said:

Do you remember the R9 Super Deep?  Man that thing was a beast.  You had to bring it.  Low launch and spin head.  I would say low launch and spin as the FT-9TA and just as unforgiving. 

I actually had several FT Tour heads that I games years ago, one of my favorite all time heads.  I think the FT9 TOur was the precursor to that. 

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1 hour ago, Pepperturbo said:

905-R was the 460 head, shallower face with larger sweet spot, and more forgiving comparable to today's Ts2.  905S was shallow front to back, COG was closer to the face and 400cc, and 905t was kind of an odd ball, don't recall its specs.

The S came stock with the Grafaloy blue, if I recall that was a quite stout shaft. 

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Bridgestone JGR driver (used by Matt Kuchar) had pretty deep face. 

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1 hour ago, Bigjim1022 said:

I actually had several FT Tour heads that I games years ago, one of my favorite all time heads.  I think the FT9 TOur was the precursor to that. 

I had two FT-9TA heads years ago and sold them both.  Regret it.  Should've kept one.  It got to the point where I wasn't playing as much golf as I wanted to and it was getting harder to hit that sucker on the sweet spot often. 

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49 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

I had two FT-9TA heads years ago and sold them both.  Regret it.  Should've kept one.  It got to the point where I wasn't playing as much golf as I wanted to and it was getting harder to hit that sucker on the sweet spot often. 

Yeah the FT Tour was LONG when hit on the screws.  Sadly if my swing was a little off it was hide the women and children. 

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2 minutes ago, Bigjim1022 said:

Yeah the FT Tour was LONG when hit on the screws.  Sadly if my swing was a little off it was hide the women and children. 

LOL.  I've hit a few houses in my day, oh wait lots of houses I mean. 

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I'd focus on the launch/spin and not focus on the 'forgiveness' so much.  The modern traditionally shaped driver (e.g., TSi3) is almost certain to exceed the ballspeed retention characteristics of a shallower design from even a couple of years ago.  And with some of them, you may be able to actually make it more 'forgiving' for your particular miss if it is consistent (i.e, positioning the movable weight to the max toe position on TSi3 if you're most common miss is a touch to the toe side) or if you tend to miss vertically more than horizontally.

 

That said, beware the TS4/TSi4 unless you can hit it outside with real balls.  Late 2019, I played with a friend at his club while I was in town on a business trip.  Amongst the rental options was a TS4 with the exact shaft I was playing in my 917D2.  I hit a couple of absolute bombs, a few that were okay but a bit short when they fell out of the air like a dying quail from too little spin, and two that hooked so far off the course they will only be found by deer hunters.

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13 minutes ago, Aviador Naval said:

I'd focus on the launch/spin and not focus on the 'forgiveness' so much.  The modern traditionally shaped driver (e.g., TSi3) is going almost certain to exceed the ballspeed retention characteristics of a shallower design from even a couple of years ago.  And with some of them, you may be able to actually make it more 'forgiving' for your particular miss if it is consistent (i.e, positioning the movable weight to the max toe position on TSi3 if you're most common miss is a touch to the toe side) or if you tend to miss vertically more than horizontally.

 

That said, beware the TS4/TSi4 unless you can hit it outside with real balls.  Late 2019, I played with a friend at his club while I was in town on a business trip.  Amongst the rental options was a TS4 with the exact shaft I was playing in my 917D2.  I hit a couple of absolute bombs, a few that were okay but a bit short when they fell out of the air like a dying quail from too little spin, and two that hooked so far off the course they will only be found by deer hunters.

Interesting info, thank you!  I really like the look of Titleist drivers, is there a huge difference in the TS bs the TSi drivers?

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11 minutes ago, Bigjim1022 said:

Interesting info, thank you!  I really like the look of Titleist drivers, is there a huge difference in the TS bs the TSi drivers?

 

Unfortunately I can't help here.  I'm still happily in the 917D2 (which is the shallower version but has a much more rounded appearance than either the TS2 or TSi2 and looks better to my eye...) and allows one to bias the weight toward the toe.

 

I will be in the TSi3 before the end of the year.  I've demo'd it multiple time with a couple of different shafts.  It works better for me than the TSi2 as my miss is consistently a touch to the toe side OR a touch high/low.  Therefore, TSi3 design characteristics favor my tendencies.  At the moment, I'm simply taking my time to gather more data and determine whether I'm better off with the 9 degree head in it's standard position or the 10 degree head lofted down a touch and whether I can justify the AD-DI shaft upgrade.

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12 minutes ago, Bigjim1022 said:

The price on the 0211 seems decent what shaft did you go with?  To be honest I hadn’t even really though if PXG 

I’m currently switching between a Mitsubishi Basarra GG stiff shaft and an Aldila Rogue Black Regular shaft.  I mentioned it a few places but it just seems like the ball comes off the face differently with the 0211.  I call it explosive but yesterday my BIL called it violent lol.  I fully believe it is a better looking 2016 m2. It also feels, sounds, and performs better for me than the m2 did. 

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6 minutes ago, blackngold_blood said:

I’m currently switching between a Mitsubishi Basarra GG stiff shaft and an Aldila Rogue Black Regular shaft.  I mentioned it a few places but it just seems like the ball comes off the face differently with the 0211.  I call it explosive but yesterday my BIL called it violent lol.  I fully believe it is a better looking 2016 m2. It also feels, sounds, and performs better for me than the m2 did. 

Wow better than the M2?  Interesting, I really like the M2 but candidly haven’t tried many other drivers besides the M5/6.  I tried an epic for a minute but hated it. 

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Wow better than the M2?  Interesting, I really like the M2 but candidly haven’t tried many other drivers besides the M5/6.  I tried an epic for a minute but hated it. 

For me it is better in every way. From what I can remember of the m2 they have a very similar head shape but I never really cared for the thick white top with the black. It is what ultimately caused me to move on to something else. 

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