Mitsubishi Kai'li White?

[xandersingh]

anyone know when these are coming to retail?

[webber]

Anyone know if the Kaili White in the Stealth is the "real deal" or a made for?  I also see the 6x has 4.1* or torque seems high.  The TX is a lot lower.....is the TX different materials?

[speeder757]

16 minutes ago, webber said:

Anyone know if the Kaili White in the Stealth is the "real deal" or a made for?  I also see the 6x has 4.1* or torque seems high.  The TX is a lot lower.....is the TX different materials?

I presume the TX has to have different/better materials 

[BubbaBallesteros]

22 minutes ago, webber said:

Anyone know if the Kaili White in the Stealth is the "real deal" or a made for?  I also see the 6x has 4.1* or torque seems high.  The TX is a lot lower.....is the TX different materials?

The guys from TXG said it was an OEM part.

[jak77]

1 hour ago, BubbaBallesteros said:

The guys from TXG said it was an OEM part.

They did and I posted their live video saying it in the stealth thread. MCA chimed I’m on the thread and said Ian must have been mistaken and that the Kai’li that comes stock is the real deal. 
 

Now whether there’s a difference between the regular flexes and TX is being debated over there now. 

[BubbaBallesteros]

10 minutes ago, jak77 said:

They did and I posted their live video saying it in the stealth thread. MCA chimed I’m on the thread and said Ian must have been mistaken and that the Kai’li that comes stock is the real deal. 
 

Now whether there’s a difference between the regular flexes and TX is being debated over there now. 

Yeah the 70X is spec'd at 3.7 while the 70TX is 2.7 in torque. No where near the same. The 70X must have much less MR70 in the tip section. 

 

If you take the Ventus Black 6X vs 6TX for example, there is only 0.1 torque in difference. 

[MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL]

46 minutes ago, BubbaBallesteros said:

The guys from TXG said it was an OEM part.

This is incorrect. Kai'li White is a real deal part. We've asked TXG to correct those comments and they've acknowledged.

 

As far as torque values between X and TX flexes... these flexes are very similar in tip flex and tip stiffness and virtually identical in weight. The core difference as you can see is torque. With Kai'li White, we wanted to release an extreme low-torque option in the TX flexes for golfers with very high swing speeds, but we also launched a 60X flex with a more traditional torque value. If the 60X golfer is interested in reducing torque further, you can always tip the shaft a little bit more to achieve lower torque in that 60X flex.

 

For the TX flex in particular, it's difficult to achieve these low torque values with a taper butt so we have to use some more advanced materials to drive that torque value lower without raising the overall weight of the shaft. 

 

End of the day: All Kai'li flexes use premium materials like MR70 and Super Low Resin Content pre-preg and are all very, very good parts, but the TX flexes have just a little extra to push it to that extremely low torque value to keep up with the demands of the hyper-athletic, modern-day touring professional.

[djhgolf]

17 minutes ago, MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL said:

This is incorrect. Kai'li White is a real deal part. We've asked TXG to correct those comments and they've acknowledged.

 

As far as torque values between X and TX flexes... these flexes are very similar in tip flex and tip stiffness and virtually identical in weight. The core difference as you can see is torque. With Kai'li White, we wanted to release an extreme low-torque option in the TX flexes for golfers with very high swing speeds, but we also launched a 60X flex with a more traditional torque value. If the 60X golfer is interested in reducing torque further, you can always tip the shaft a little bit more to achieve lower torque in that 60X flex.

 

For the TX flex in particular, it's difficult to achieve these low torque values with a taper butt so we have to use some more advanced materials to drive that torque value lower without raising the overall weight of the shaft. 

 

End of the day: All Kai'li flexes use premium materials like MR70 and Super Low Resin Content pre-preg and are all very, very good parts, but the TX flexes have just a little extra to push it to that extremely low torque value to keep up with the demands of the hyper-athletic, modern-day touring professional.

How will you be able to tell the difference between the stock Kai’li white used in the Stealth vs the full aftermarket version?

Thank you

[Barefoot_Golf]

10 minutes ago, djhgolf said:

How will you be able to tell the difference between the stock Kai’li white used in the Stealth vs the full aftermarket version?

Thank you

@MITSUBISHI CHEMICALis saying they’re the same shaft.

[MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL]

1 hour ago, djhgolf said:

How will you be able to tell the difference between the stock Kai’li white used in the Stealth vs the full aftermarket version?

Thank you

there is no difference.

[metal_on_a_stick]

TX's will be available end of the month / 1st week in Feb. 

[Morry]

Totally pumped about the Blue !

 

smooth and powerful I am betting.....

 

any intel on when released?

[BubbaBallesteros]

13 hours ago, MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL said:

This is incorrect. Kai'li White is a real deal part. We've asked TXG to correct those comments and they've acknowledged.

 

As far as torque values between X and TX flexes... these flexes are very similar in tip flex and tip stiffness and virtually identical in weight. The core difference as you can see is torque. With Kai'li White, we wanted to release an extreme low-torque option in the TX flexes for golfers with very high swing speeds, but we also launched a 60X flex with a more traditional torque value. If the 60X golfer is interested in reducing torque further, you can always tip the shaft a little bit more to achieve lower torque in that 60X flex.

 

For the TX flex in particular, it's difficult to achieve these low torque values with a taper butt so we have to use some more advanced materials to drive that torque value lower without raising the overall weight of the shaft. 

 

End of the day: All Kai'li flexes use premium materials like MR70 and Super Low Resin Content pre-preg and are all very, very good parts, but the TX flexes have just a little extra to push it to that extremely low torque value to keep up with the demands of the hyper-athletic, modern-day touring professional.

Thank you for the clarification and the detailed response! 

 

Are we going to see a Kai'li Orange with tungsten in the handle and a super stiff tip, like the Tensei CK Pro Orange?

 

Edited January 14, 2022 by BubbaBallesteros

[MITSUBISHI CHEMICAL]

2 hours ago, BubbaBallesteros said:

Thank you for the clarification and the detailed response! 

 

Are we going to see a Kai'li Orange with tungsten in the handle and a super stiff tip, like the Tensei CK Pro Orange?

 

Happy to help.

 

We're working on lots of stuff! 😀

[belh22]

what is the balance point of the shaft?

[cmy]

Any updates on when these are coming to retail?

[phizzy30]

1 hour ago, cmy said:

Any updates on when these are coming to retail?

I believe beginning of next month. 

Edited January 17, 2022 by phizzy30

[agood3putt]

Going to be interesting to see reviews of this vs. Pro White vs Pro White 1k vs Diamana D+ Plus LTD 

[Valtiel]

7 minutes ago, dbornack said:

I'm actually searching far and wide for lower-torque shafts, and came upon this post.  I don't consider anything above 3.0* to be low torque.  What are you thinking I can get the torque down to if I tip the 60TX?  I'm in the market for something in the 60g class that is stiffer/lower torque than Ventus Black, at 2.8*.  

Torque won't change much with tipping. Out of curiosity, what are you seeking low torque for? Lots of misconceptions out there about torque so it might be useful to check in case you're ruling out shafts you maybe shouldn't be. 👍 

[Morry]

Really found this in a 70-s suited me in a fairway fitting today 

I am typically a blue-board guy, but this shaft had great feel and stability - really enjoyed it through the ball 

Ordered stealth 5w with this 

excited for it to be in the bag 

 

 

[Valtiel]

5 minutes ago, dbornack said:

Tightening up dispersion.  Playing at an Amateur high-level for 25 years, and testing all sorts of shafts has lead me to believe that lower torque with a certain bend profile eliminates wide misses for me.  I've seen people argue that torque doesn't matter - but..  my results lead me to disagree with that.

 

I've always hit lower torque shafts straighter.  Every time I try something outside of low torque, mishits aren't as acceptable.

 

I'm in Atmos Black Tour Spec 7x right now, and don't really have a reason to leave - but I'd like to find a 60g shaft that works for me to try to gain a few MPH ball speed.

 

Right now, that list is Hzrdus T1100, Fuji Speeder Platinum or Diamond, and that's about it.

Torque does matter but it's important to isolate it as a variable. Trying another shaft that is higher in torque needs to also account for that fact that said shaft is assumedly something different. Bend profile, weight, butt diameter, balance point....if any of these change enough between the lower torque and higher torque shafts you've tested then the experiment gets tainted pretty quickly. Lower torque designs also tend to trend towards certain stronger/stiffer profiles which could be more what works for you. Low torque itself, outside of being a component of feel/firmness, has been shown to slow head twisting on mishits resulting in potentially less gearing, and thus less curvature. If you're middling the ball then torque really doesn't enter the performance picture, but most of us don't all the time. 

That said, the Diamana X'17 and the Fujikura Diamond Speeder are going to be pretty unmatched in terms of low torque, the former being a lower launching profile overall. I can attest to the X'17's exceptionally smooth feel despite the very low torque. 

[phizzy30]

21 minutes ago, dbornack said:

Tightening up dispersion.  Playing at an Amateur high-level for 25 years, and testing all sorts of shafts has lead me to believe that lower torque with a certain bend profile eliminates wide misses for me.  I've seen people argue that torque doesn't matter - but..  my results lead me to disagree with that.

 

I've always hit lower torque shafts straighter.  Every time I try something outside of low torque, mishits aren't as acceptable.

 

I'm in Atmos Black Tour Spec 7x right now, and don't really have a reason to leave - but I'd like to find a 60g shaft that works for me to try to gain a few MPH ball speed.

 

Right now, that list is Hzrdus T1100, Fuji Speeder Platinum or Diamond, and that's about it.

I had the Speeder Platinum and gave it to my brother.  I hit that thing high and and it spun like a mother.  I don't think you'll like it at all especially since you're playing an atmos black which is a completely different profile shaft.  If you want something that's similar to what you have, you should look into the Diamana PD.  Low torque, no kick, very linear feel and low launch and spin. 

[JoeFrigo]

8 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

I had the Speeder Platinum and gave it to my brother.  I hit that thing high and and it spun like a mother.  I don't think you'll like it at all especially since you're playing an atmos black which is a completely different profile shaft.  If you want something that's similar to what you have, you should look into the Diamana PD.  Low torque, no kick, very linear feel and low launch and spin. 

Completely agree with this

 

ive had the Diamana PD 70x in driver the last 3 months and its great. Better feel but also better dispersion than Atmos Tour Spec Black

 

I also have a 60x coming in so ill be able to compare the 2 head to head soon

[Valtiel]

21 minutes ago, dbornack said:

Yeah, and that's why I think most of the tour players can get away with playing 60g shafts with torque in the 3.xs.  They hit the center of the face quite a bit more than I do 🙂

 

I'll check that Diamana out.  Thanks!

No prob! Torque and gearing isn't always a "less is better" scenario though. As a head gets higher in MOI and gears/twists slower you may actually *want* a little more torque, otherwise the reduction in gearing overall might be too great and your heel/toe shot suddenly stops curving back as much as it needs to. I think some people found a similar behavior with the M4 driver since it was quite high MOI but with Twist Face added that further offset the start line of heel toe strikes, but in such a way that the high MOI reduced the ability for the ball to curve back enough. That would be an example of a setup where super low torque might be harmful. 

So if you really want to utilize torque from a performance standpoint you have to take into account driver head design, CG location, and your miss tendencies. 

[BubbaBallesteros]

22 hours ago, dbornack said:

I'm actually searching far and wide for lower-torque shafts, and came upon this post.  I don't consider anything above 3.0* to be low torque.  What are you thinking I can get the torque down to if I tip the 60TX?  I'm in the market for something in the 60g class that is stiffer/lower torque than Ventus Black, at 2.8*.  

I think the Ventus Black 6X is only 3.1 and the 6TX is 3.0, the 7X is 2.8

[endy]

On 1/19/2022 at 12:02 PM, JoeFrigo said:

Completely agree with this

 

ive had the Diamana PD 70x in driver the last 3 months and its great. Better feel but also better dispersion than Atmos Tour Spec Black

 

I also have a 60x coming in so ill be able to compare the 2 head to head soon

Wondering how this test came out for you and if Ventus TR reigns supreme haha

[JoeFrigo]

Just now, endy said:

Wondering how this test came out for you and if Ventus TR reigns supreme haha

Ventus TR reigns supreme and it wasnt close!. To be fair the only reason I fit in 70x is bc a 60x wasnt available in the PD. The PD 70x was accurate and felt smooth, but the Ventus TR is just perfect for me. Truly fits between the black and blue. First swing I took with it gave me my highest ever ball speed. Went on to average my best ball speed also. Perfect launch and spin window for what I like at 13* and 2300 spin. Dispersion was a tiny dot on trackman. PD 70x did great, but TR was noticeably better...... Gonna trim the PD 70x to go in the 300 mini driver for some fun

[ttm27]

Just went to a TM demo day/fitting and loved this shaft.  I played the D+ in a 913 years ago and loved that shaft.  This one felt a lot smoother to me.  Dispersion was great with stealth head.  

[BottleCap]

On 1/17/2022 at 2:50 PM, phizzy30 said:

I believe beginning of next month. 

It seems like its a Taylormade exclusive. I’m seeing lots of Stealths on the course with these this past week.

[BubbaBallesteros]

4 hours ago, BottleCap said:

It seems like its a Taylormade exclusive. I’m seeing lots of Stealths on the course with these this past week.

It's not exclusive to TM.