Why is the PGA tour so scared and resorting to extreme responses to super tour idea?

[CaseyC]

7 minutes ago, smashdn said:

 

I You pull a Phil, Rory, DJ, etc you don't backfill their spots on the PGA Tour and ET with that same level of talent.  You backfill with KF and Challenge Tour grads.  Except for the top league, the others get watered down.  It's certainly more spots.  But the talent hasn't changed, only where they are playing.  The PGA Tour would be at the status of the KF Tour.

 

"Joe Blow can't quite break through to the Super League so he is honing his game on the PGA Tour."  It becomes the stepping stone.

Phil?  He is on his last legs as a PGA Tour player, currently ranked 101 in the world.  Is it about the "best" or being 'popular"

[bscinstnct]

5 minutes ago, CaseyC said:

Phil?  He is on his last legs as a PGA Tour player, currently ranked 101 in the world.  Is it about the "best" or being 'popular"

 

It would be the PGA tours worst nightmare if Phil jumped.

 

They sign Phil and they’re in business.

 

Can’t imagine Phil leaving.

 

But I got a feeling Phil would be receptive if the deal was sweet enough. 

[GoGoErky]

10 minutes ago, CaseyC said:

Phil?  He is on his last legs as a PGA Tour player, currently ranked 101 in the world.  Is it about the "best" or being 'popular"

But people like him and will still pay to go see him play. 
 

Rickie isn’t playing well but he still gets young kids and fans to go watch him play

[jholz]

15 hours ago, miamistomp said:

 I get your point but the Players League, I believe , was player owned and operated and players were paid by ticket revenue

  Mack returned to the NL because the Players folded in a year

 

You are correct concerning the factors that led to the collapse of the Player's League, and yes, I was not as thorough in my writing on that point as I should have been. My statement concerning Mack's "abandonment" of the Player's League was more pointed towards the shift in his mentality. Mack is a complex individual whose actions display equal levels of idealism and cynicism. I would argue that the experience with the Player's League mark a point where he becomes increasingly cynical about the business of sports and it's relationship to the ideal of open competition.

 

But, perhaps it's all just semantics and it doesn't matter anyway. Who knows? 

[CaseyC]

9 minutes ago, GoGoErky said:

But people like him and will still pay to go see him play. 
 

Rickie isn’t playing well but he still gets young kids and fans to go watch him play

 

The Super League won't succeed as a "silly season" league were popularity trumps playing ability

[smashdn]

1 hour ago, CaseyC said:

Phil?  He is on his last legs as a PGA Tour player, currently ranked 101 in the world.  Is it about the "best" or being 'popular"

 

It is about money.  The Super League guys can decide which of those two things is the appropriate means to that end.

[CaseyC]

7 minutes ago, smashdn said:

 

It is about money.  The Super League guys can decide which of those two things is the appropriate means to that end.

 

Yep, they can decide to be a combination of KFT and Chamipions tour if they want

[cdnglf]

1 hour ago, bscinstnct said:

 

It would be the PGA tours worst nightmare if Phil jumped.

 

They sign Phil and they’re in business.

 

Can’t imagine Phil leaving.

 

But I got a feeling Phil would be receptive if the deal was sweet enough. 

 

[farmer]

Nothing like Riyadh in the summer ....

[tacklingdummy]

1 hour ago, smashdn said:

 

 

 

"Joe Blow can't quite break through to the Super League so he is honing his game on the PGA Tour."  It becomes the stepping stone.

 

Joe Blow doesn't care so much if he is making 1 million dollars dogging it on the PGA tour instead of scraping by with 50K (that doesn't even cover travel costs) on the Korn Ferry tour. More big money sponsors with more tournaments will please the pros. 

[smashdn]

13 minutes ago, tacklingdummy said:

 

Joe Blow doesn't care so much if he is making 1 million dollars dogging it on the PGA tour instead of scraping by with 50K (that doesn't even cover travel costs) on the Korn Ferry tour. More big money sponsors with more tournaments will please the pros. 

 

How does the presence of the Super League elevate purses on the KF Tour?

[bscinstnct]

17 minutes ago, smashdn said:

 

How does the presence of the Super League elevate purses on the KF Tour?

 

This is where we get into “scouting” and competition.

 

Lets say the PGL decides to make Ryder Cup/match play formats part of the model. 
 

You might draft a guy like Jamie Sadlowski or some other huge hitter to have on your squad!

 

Or just competition for KF age talent puts pressure up on demand for talent. 
 

 

[Dr. Block]

I don't understand the issues being had with this league. How can there be a problem with more opportunities for professional golfers to play professional golf for money. It will all trickle down, and the next big star might get his shot to get into the ever increasingly closed society that is professional golf.  With the level of talent that exists these days, there are lots of guys who could get over the hump and distinguish themselves given additional opportunities, but those opportunities are few and far between and very expensive when they become available.

 

My opinion is, this league comes through and we have something else that is interesting to watch, something akin to the exhibition days of past in professional golf and simultaneously the trough gets longer at the end with more spots becoming available at events down through the tours. 

 

And if my calculations are wrong (as they often are) then at the least, older guys like me get to see their favorite players while they wait out the years between their relevancy on the regular tour and their eligibility for the senior tour. I have a feeling this league would grab those guys. Its the perfect place for them.   

[Lagavulin62]

Did I miss the link to this thread? Not everyone lives and breathes golf daily. What is the proposal? 

[golfortennis]

14 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Cause you do this, word get around ; )

 

 

 

They put a plaque for that?  Excellent shot, sure, but a)he didn't win that tournament, and b) if this is now the standard, it won't be long before we'll be taking relief from all the plaques in fairways.

 

 

[oikos1]

3 hours ago, hunterdog said:

Besides past champion status, how would they qualify?  I guess, for the US Open and the Open, there is local qualifying.  

So, you've got two covered.  It's not like these things are impossible hurdles.  This ought to cover the other two:

 

Masters:

• The 50 leaders on the Final Official World Golf Ranking for the previous calendar year
• The 50 leaders on the Official World Golf Ranking published during the week prior to the current Masters Tournament

The Masters Committee, at its discretion, also invites international players not otherwise qualified.

 

PGA Championship:

 

The PGA of America reserves the right to invite additional players not included in the categories listed above.

 

* The U.S. Open and the Open also can utilize special exemptions.

 

The Official World Golf Ranking includes over twenty Tours.  Although it's currently heavily influenced by the PGA and Euro Tour and the USGA, it is possible the OWGR includes the PGL Tour in the future.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/apr/06/golf-outdated-world-ranking-system-on-verge-of-major-overhaul

 

The Majors would lose their shine if a significant number of top PGA Tour Pros weren't playing in them.  As well, local sponsors of PGA Tour events aren't going to like being told who they can and cannot invite to the tournament they are sponsoring.  The PGA Tour players have a tremendous amount of leverage if they were to choose to use it.  Approve or disapprove, guaranteed money is what every professional athlete seeks.  Just look at how the PGA is pandering to the players with their "$40 million popularity contest".

[CaseyC]

https://www.golfchannel.com/news/2021-pga-championship-sources-super-league-golf-officials-meet-player-managers-kiawah

 

 PGA of America CEO Seth Waugh said on Tuesday that anyone who joined said circuit would not be eligible to compete in the Ryder Cup or the PGA Championship.

“If someone wants to play on a Ryder Cup for the U.S., they're going to need to be a member of the PGA of America, and they get that membership through being a member of the Tour,” Waugh said. “I believe the Europeans feel the same way, and so I don't know that we can be more clear than that.

[ChillyDipper]

On 5/20/2021 at 12:05 PM, JeffreySpicoli said:

Assigning labels like “horrific human rights” is a matter of perspective. History is always written by the winners.

Very erudite, Mr. Spicoli.  As well, one of the two big money tours that is in the offing is not funded by those bonesaw folks.

[bscinstnct]

34 minutes ago, golfortennis said:

 

They put a plaque for that?  Excellent shot, sure, but a)he didn't win that tournament, and b) if this is now the standard, it won't be long before we'll be taking relief from all the plaques in fairways.

 

 

 

Plaques are too old school.

 

Think more like this...

 

Golf may be ripe for a big change. A league where there’s more highlights, shorter tournaments, different formats like match play (foursomes), a different and younger vibe.

 

Golf is just taking off in some respects in some countries so they can build this more fast paced golf style and sell to a new audience.

 

“There is No Reason for Any Individual To Have a Computer in Their Home“

-Ken Olsen, Founder of DEC (once the 2nd largest computer company in the world)

 

Meantime....

 

 

 

 

[Pepperturbo]

22 hours ago, CaseyC said:

50 Korn Ferry players get PGA cards each year.

Didn't know the number was that high.  But at the same time, each year an undetermined number of PGA Tour veterans either lose their card or just plain disappear from the PGA.  So, they counteract each other to some degree.

[tacklingdummy]

4 hours ago, smashdn said:

 

How does the presence of the Super League elevate purses on the KF Tour?

 

It won't necessary elevate purses of Korn Ferry tour. However, many of the Korn Ferry tour players will get spots in bigger money tournaments. More big sponsors funding more tournaments equals more spots for players to play. 

[miamistomp]

7 hours ago, jholz said:

 

You are correct concerning the factors that led to the collapse of the Player's League, and yes, I was not as thorough in my writing on that point as I should have been. My statement concerning Mack's "abandonment" of the Player's League was more pointed towards the shift in his mentality. Mack is a complex individual whose actions display equal levels of idealism and cynicism. I would argue that the experience with the Player's League mark a point where he becomes increasingly cynical about the business of sports and it's relationship to the ideal of open competition.

 

But, perhaps it's all just semantics and it doesn't matter anyway. Who knows? 

 Yep

 Just interested to hear Connie Mack mentioned

  Having grown up in Philadelphia, we were steeped in baseball history

  Saw my  first Phillies game in Connie Mack stadium

[Shilgy]

5 hours ago, oikos1 said:

So, you've got two covered.  It's not like these things are impossible hurdles.  This ought to cover the other two:

 

Masters:

• The 50 leaders on the Final Official World Golf Ranking for the previous calendar year
• The 50 leaders on the Official World Golf Ranking published during the week prior to the current Masters Tournament

The Masters Committee, at its discretion, also invites international players not otherwise qualified.

 

PGA Championship:

 

The PGA of America reserves the right to invite additional players not included in the categories listed above.

 

* The U.S. Open and the Open also can utilize special exemptions.

 

The Official World Golf Ranking includes over twenty Tours.  Although it's currently heavily influenced by the PGA and Euro Tour and the USGA, it is possible the OWGR includes the PGL Tour in the future.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/apr/06/golf-outdated-world-ranking-system-on-verge-of-major-overhaul

 

The Majors would lose their shine if a significant number of top PGA Tour Pros weren't playing in them.  As well, local sponsors of PGA Tour events aren't going to like being told who they can and cannot invite to the tournament they are sponsoring.  The PGA Tour players have a tremendous amount of leverage if they were to choose to use it.  Approve or disapprove, guaranteed money is what every professional athlete seeks.  Just look at how the PGA is pandering to the players with their "$40 million popularity contest".

You have not read the thread.  How will they be in the top 50 in the rankings when the new league will not be getting any points?  They better win a major in the next18 months or so or their major career is toast.

[smashdn]

On 5/21/2021 at 8:11 AM, CaseyC said:

Phil?  He is on his last legs as a PGA Tour player, currently ranked 101 in the world.  Is it about the "best" or being 'popular"

 

Dude's washed up that's clear to see.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

On 5/21/2021 at 9:11 AM, CaseyC said:

Phil?  He is on his last legs as a PGA Tour player, currently ranked 101 in the world.  Is it about the "best" or being 'popular"

LMAO this didn't age well 🙂 

[bscinstnct]

On 5/21/2021 at 9:11 AM, CaseyC said:

Phil?  He is on his last legs as a PGA Tour player, currently ranked 101 in the world.  Is it about the "best" or being 'popular"

 

Yeah, guy has lost his game and appeal to the fans completely

 

 

[CaseyC]

42 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

LMAO this didn't age well 🙂 

 

Yes and no.   He is still on his last legs.   The Super League can't provide him with what he wants.   A 6 Major, playing in the US Open, does.    For many, it isn't about the money, and the super league won't survive with players who just want the money

[bscinstnct]

29 minutes ago, CaseyC said:

 

Yes and no.   He is still on his last legs.   The Super League can't provide him with what he wants.   A 6 Major, playing in the US Open, does.    For many, it isn't about the money, and the super league won't survive with players who just want the money

 

You sure it’s Phil that’s on his last legs?

 

Legs look fine here ; )

 

Meantime, BK like,

 

”My knee feels like ****”

 

 

[rp4golf]

On 5/20/2021 at 11:08 AM, Rory4Pres said:

Getting banned from the pga wouldn't be the worst thing ever...

 

Say you are 23, very talented but broke....  Rather than struggle your way up the korn ferry and pga and hope for a break out win, you get offered $1 million and end up going and playing 3 or 4 years on the SGL.  Between sponsorships and tournament winnings, you clear $5 million after costs, taxes, caddies, agent, etc in your bank.

 

You are then 27, have $5 million net worth.  You could live off the interest, never work a job unless you wanted to and drink beer and play small cash or for fun games at your local course whenever you pleased.

 

#signmeup

But that's the thing, they're not going to offer those "talented" (because, for god's sake, all the players trying to make it on tour are talented) "23YOs" a dime ... this league is all about name recognition. And you don't get any real name recognition, except in the rarest of cases, without winning on the PGA Tour.

And frankly, odds are there are very few Anthony Kim's out there - and he only got to sit back on his $10M in the bank after tearing his achilles and taking the insurance money.

[smashdn]

1 hour ago, CaseyC said:

 

Yes and no.   He is still on his last legs.   The Super League can't provide him with what he wants.   A 6 Major, playing in the US Open, does.    For many, it isn't about the money, and the super league won't survive with players who just want the money

 

Does being in the Super League preclude him from playing in the US Open?  He is probably exempt for a while now I would think.