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I hit my 3 wood fairly well off the tee but really struggle for some reason hitting any 460 CC Driver.  I feel I am giving up too much distance simply playing 3 wood the entire round and a buddy suggested I look for a smaller headed Driver, maybe a 425 or 440 size head.  Interested in opinions on some tried and true models anyone has played and had success with.

 

I figure it's worth a shot!  Thanks.

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28 minutes ago, chriskilmer said:

I hit my 3 wood fairly well off the tee but really struggle for some reason hitting any 460 CC Driver.  I feel I am giving up too much distance simply playing 3 wood the entire round and a buddy suggested I look for a smaller headed Driver, maybe a 425 or 440 size head.  Interested in opinions on some tried and true models anyone has played and had success with.

 

I figure it's worth a shot!  Thanks.

 

TM R7 425CC, KZG GF4 425CC, S-Yard T-388 (388 CC) all excellent. 

Cleveland TL310 10.5* driver

Cleveland HB Launcher 15* 3-wood

Srixon H65  19* 3 hybrid and 22* 4 hybrid

Mizuno MP63 5 thru 9-iron

Cleveland RTX 48-52-56-64 wedges

Scotty Cameron Classic III putter

 

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1 hour ago, Ghostwedge said:

Get yourself a Ping G400 (not Max) problem solved.


Exactly what I was thinking as well. That or the LST. 

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Back in time, 905T titleist,400cc or nike 420cc vr tour,2011! jdm ,Yonex Ezone 380 or 420cc 2011ish cool design🙂

Or Callaway mini driver?

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13 hours ago, chriskilmer said:

I hit my 3 wood fairly well off the tee but really struggle for some reason hitting any 460 CC Driver. 

 

That's more likely due to the difference in playing length instead of head size.

 

But there are some people who do better with the smaller head so doesn't really hurt anything to give it a try.  Just realize a smaller volume doesn't always mean a smaller visual at address especially if it's only a 20-35 cc reduction in volume.   If you really want to get a noticeably smaller driver, look around for one of the various mini driver designs that are out there.

 

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Boy that EZ One 380 was a heckuva stick! 

 

 

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Honestly I’ve played both the Nike very tour and currently have a g400 rn. Lol would much rather take the g400 as the obvious upgrade, played the Nike for 8 years before moving into the ping(or anything newer). D3 heads may also be a idea for you. Bought my brother a 915 and he pokes his here and there all the time. 

Ping G400/ Ping tour 65 s

Ping 410 3w / Ping tour 65 s 

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Titleist 718 T-mb 4 iron / amt white s300

Titleist 716 AP2 5-pw/ amt white s300

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OP are you looking for something new and adjustable or are you ok with older and glued? I'm using a G400 and it's an absolute gem, I also played a 910D3 off and on for quite a while. Both can be had pretty cheap these days. Before those I used a few glued drivers that were sub 460, the Vr Tour being my favorite of all of them.

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Maybe a mini driver? I have one to mess around with and its a cannon. 

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Cobra Radspeed tour 17.5 Matrix Ozik F7M2 2007 proto
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There is an SLDR mini on Facebook I'm trying to refuse until I can hit my M3:a little better. Might not happen.

Taylormade M3 driver Mitsubishi Kuro Kage TiNi 70G shaft (cut to 44.5")

Honma XP-1 3 wood 

Taylormade M1 5 wood

Taylormade GAPR Lo 19* Hybrid 

Byrdie Golf Designs split cavity 4-PW

Mitsubishi Kuro Kage 80g iron shafts

Lazrus 52/8 and 56/12 wedges

Nike Blue Chip 002 putter

Golf Pride Concept Helix grips

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My gamer is a Taylormade M3 9.5° 440cc driver.  I love the driver and size of it.  I feel confident shaping shots (normal ball flight is a slight draw).  I have never felt too comfortable with 460cc drivers.  My backup is a Titleist 905S 9.5° (400cc) which I really can hit well.

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Irons:  Ben Hogan Icon blades 4-PW, Nippon Modus3 Tour 120 stiff

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I started with persimmon drivers when Big Bertha just being released. I'm used to smaller heads and prefer the looks of them. One of the best drivers of all time for me was 905S. Played G400 LST for a couple of years but I always go back to Titleist. Currently playing TS4 and happy with it.

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Titleist TS2 13.5 Diamana BF 70 X

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You have choices, there are a few smaller cc drivers available, try them . I prefer less than 460cc size drivers, my set up gives me very consistent center strikes, and solid performance. Again, you have choices.



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1 hour ago, Kovey10 said:

2017 TM M1 440 was one of my all time favorite heads. 

 

They either didn't make a lefty, or they are super rare because I've looked for one.

Taylormade M3 driver Mitsubishi Kuro Kage TiNi 70G shaft (cut to 44.5")

Honma XP-1 3 wood 

Taylormade M1 5 wood

Taylormade GAPR Lo 19* Hybrid 

Byrdie Golf Designs split cavity 4-PW

Mitsubishi Kuro Kage 80g iron shafts

Lazrus 52/8 and 56/12 wedges

Nike Blue Chip 002 putter

Golf Pride Concept Helix grips

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2 hours ago, lefthack said:

 

They either didn't make a lefty, or they are super rare because I've looked for one.

TM didn't make the 2017 440cc M1 or the 2016 430cc M1 driver in left hand at least at retail. Possible there could have been a few made for the tour. Sort of like the R15 430. Not available in left hand at retail but were a tour issue only release. 

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2 hours ago, miles2go said:

Wow. I play a G400 non max. Was thinking there must be something smaller i could try to increase swing speed.  Sounds like maybe not. Actually love the consistency of the club so guess I just keep it and work on my short game. 


The only reason a smaller head would increase swing speed is if it gave you more confidence which resulted in a faster swing on your end. A smaller head won't increase speed unless it is also lighter otherwise, so your best bet for an equipment based speed increase would be experimenting with lighter weights in the head and/or increasing shaft length. 

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TM used to specific label their smaller cc drivers, like the 2016 M1 (430cc) and the 2017 M1 (440cc). Can't remember if they continued that with the M3/M4/M5/M6?

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Titleist 917F3 15.0 - Fujikura Speeder Evolution 757x

Mizuno MX23 3 iron - True Temper Dynamic Gold X100

Taylormade P770 4-PW - True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100

Callaway MD5 Jaws Raw 50, 54 - KBS $-Taper 120s

Taylormade Hi-Toe 58 - KBS Hi-Rev 115s

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