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[tatertot]

14 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

It was said last night that if your vaccinated that you didn’t have to test anymore.  If that’s untrue I’m just repeating it. I don’t know.  
 

but I wouldn’t think that being vaccinated would prevent you from being a carrier for a while if you swapped droplets with an infected person the day before.  I mean we’re either worried or not. I just can’t understand that the fence riding.  
 

its one or The other. He either can pass it to vaccinated folks or he can’t.  If he can’t then pair him with 2 willing vaccinated players and let him finish.  If he can pass it  , then they should be quarantined with Rahm.  
 

im just questioning  the tours policy and thinking. Not the virus itself.  I want to understand why one guy is DQ and others who contact him aren’t.  

Rule says the leader plays in the last group with second place ... rules are there for a reason ... players agree to the rules when they sign up for the tournament ... why is this so hard for people to understand? Rules are there so the tour is not trying to figure out how to make this work at the last second by saying "gee, who could we pair Rahm with today?" Nobody has to get the vaccine ... nobody has to avoid contact with exposure to Covid ... but players have to pay the consequences as outlined in the rules (which players agreed to) if they choose to do certain things. 

[bladehunter]

10 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Rahm just got his first shot a few days ago

 

Hasn’t been two weeks since he’s been fully vaccinated

 

Some are saying that Rahm had covid in the last few months and didn’t feel like he needed to be vaccinated in such a short time

 

The others that were in contact with Rahm will have to be tested to keep playing if they got within 6 feet of Jon. Rahm was in contact with someone and had tested negative until yesterday which is why he was playing until yesterday. 

I’m talking about today.  So you’re saying they tested them last night and got word before now so Colin etc could play ?   Even if that’s so. I doubt it’s accuracy.  They probably won’t show infection till around tonight , no?  Tour talking huge risks on one hand , and slamming the hammer down on another.  
 

I assumed they tested Rahm on Wednesday and just got word  yesterday, which is why he got to play 3 rounds.  

[Titleist99]

49 minutes ago, torbill said:

PGA rules are clear.  Vaccinated and close contact - no further tracking.  Not vaccinated and close contact - daily testing and eliminated w/positive test.  I like Rahm, a lot, but in the end he is responsible for his behavior. Rules were/are clear to all participants beforehand.  Given the rules, how does a professional player, going after very big $$, not eliminate one obvious source of financial risk?  And nobody is going to sue the PGA and win on this - dream on with that one, people.  Roll up those sleeves, PGA tour players, if you don’t want this to happen to you.   

Yep, black and white. Everyone's in control of their own actions. Rahm had to know that certain decisions could cost him big money down the line. Good luck to him going forward.

[bladehunter]

3 minutes ago, tatertot said:

Rule says the leader plays in the last group with second place ... rules are there for a reason ... players agree to the rules when they sign up for the tournament ... why is this so hard for people to understand? Rules are there so the tour is not trying to figure out how to make this work at the last second by saying "gee, who could we pair Rahm with today?" Nobody has to get the vaccine ... nobody has to avoid contact with exposure to Covid ... but players have to pay the consequences as outlined in the rules (which players agreed to) if they choose to do certain things. 

Again. I masking about the ones he’s infected going forward.  Why are they being allowed to spread it today ? 

[myspinonit]

18 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

It was said last night that if your vaccinated that you didn’t have to test anymore.  If that’s untrue I’m just repeating it. I don’t know.  
 

but I wouldn’t think that being vaccinated would prevent you from being a carrier for a while if you swapped droplets with an infected person the day before.  I mean we’re either worried or not. I just can’t understand that the fence riding.  
 

its one or The other. He either can pass it to vaccinated folks or he can’t.  If he can’t then pair him with 2 willing vaccinated players and let him finish.  If he can pass it  , then they should be quarantined with Rahm.  
 

im just questioning  the tours policy and thinking. Not the virus itself.  I want to understand why one guy is DQ and others who contact him aren’t.  

If you are vaccinated you can still get it  (probably milder symptoms) and stiull pass it along. A friend of mine had both shots for some time, went on a gof trip with 7 other guys. Three of them weren't vaccinated. My friend felt fa=tigued the whole time and had pre-booked a Covid test for the end of the trip as a precaution. Yup he had it, and six of the eight guys tested positive.

[Holy Moses]

9 minutes ago, tatertot said:

Rule says the leader plays in the last group with second place ... rules are there for a reason ... players agree to the rules when they sign up for the tournament ... why is this so hard for people to understand? Rules are there so the tour is not trying to figure out how to make this work at the last second by saying "gee, who could we pair Rahm with today?" Nobody has to get the vaccine ... nobody has to avoid contact with exposure to Covid ... but players have to pay the consequences as outlined in the rules (which players agreed to) if they choose to do certain things. 

I agree. It’s just bad luck if Rahm recently had covid and didn’t get the vaccine because the CDC says it’s unlikely to happen to you if you recently had it. With that said, Rahm still could have and should have received the vaccine. Maybe he got a variant that covid immunity can’t protect him from and a vaccine would have. 

[Kilo1545]

10 minutes ago, tatertot said:

Rule says the leader plays in the last group with second place ... rules are there for a reason ... players agree to the rules when they sign up for the tournament ... why is this so hard for people to understand? Rules are there so the tour is not trying to figure out how to make this work at the last second by saying "gee, who could we pair Rahm with today?" Nobody has to get the vaccine ... nobody has to avoid contact with exposure to Covid ... but players have to pay the consequences as outlined in the rules (which players agreed to) if they choose to do certain things. 

I think every understands the point you’re making, that the rules are the rules.  
 

The issue being raised is that the rules don’t make sense and/or they’ve already made exceptions to them and therefore the “just following the rules” excuse no longer holds water.  
 

They allowed him to finish playing the 3rd round while knowing he had a positive test. If it’s unsafe for him to play today, then it was unsafe for him to be playing 13-18 yesterday (or whatever hole he was on when the positive test result came back).

 

As someone said several pages back, they should have sprinted out onto the course and removed him immediately.  The fact that they didn’t means what...?

 

It’s like being pregnant.  You can’t be half pregnant; you are or you aren’t.  COVID-19 is either so dangerous as to warrant the protocols or it’s not so dangerous that exceptions can’t be made.  And they made an exception yesterday...

 

Zero-tolerance/no exception policies are so that wisdom and discretion don’t have to be used, which is a good thing considering how rare those 2 things are in today’s world.  

[iutodd]

Rickie out in 32.

 

-6 overall and T6.

[tatertot]

43 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Again. I masking about the ones he’s infected going forward.  Why are they being allowed to spread it today ? 

They've been vaccinated? Rules say once you've been vaccinated, exposure isn't an issue.

 

28 minutes ago, Kilo1545 said:

I think every understands the point you’re making, that the rules are the rules.  
 

The issue being raised is that the rules don’t make sense and/or they’ve already made exceptions to them and therefore the “just following the rules” excuse no longer holds water.  
 

They allowed him to finish playing the 3rd round while knowing he had a positive test. If it’s unsafe for him to play today, then it was unsafe for him to be playing 13-18 yesterday (or whatever hole he was on when the positive test result came back).

 

As someone said several pages back, they should have sprinted out onto the course and removed him immediately.  The fact that they didn’t means what...?

 

It’s like being pregnant.  You can’t be half pregnant; you are or you aren’t.  COVID-19 is either so dangerous as to warrant the protocols or it’s not so dangerous that exceptions can’t be made.  And they made an exception yesterday...

 

Zero-tolerance/no exception policies are so that wisdom and discretion don’t have to be used, which is a good thing considering how rare those 2 things are in today’s world.  

He needed 2 positives ... they didn't get the second positive till right before they told him ... at least that's what I've heard.

 

2 hours ago, bladehunter said:

I’m just wondering why his playing partners for both rounds yesterday plus caddies aren’t quarantined too ? 
 

 

They've been vaccinated?

[Holy Moses]

26 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

I’m talking about today.  So you’re saying they tested them last night and got word before now so Colin etc could play ?   Even if that’s so. I doubt it’s accuracy.  They probably won’t show infection till around tonight , no?  Tour talking huge risks on one hand , and slamming the hammer down on another.  
 

I assumed they tested Rahm on Wednesday and just got word  yesterday, which is why he got to play 3 rounds.  

Rahm was tested a few times this week. He got a positive Friday night or early Saturday. I bet normally a player is DQd for that if they aren’t fully vaccinated, but maybe because Rahm was in the league another sample was tested. In the meantime Rahm’s playing partners are notified to stay 6 feet away until the second test comes back. If his partners stayed 6 feet away, which it sounds like they did after not high-fiving after the hole in one, they probably don’t have to be tested. Remember, Rahm was tested this week because he had close contact with a covid positive, not just because he was merely around one. You are right that it is crazy that Rahm was allowed to keep playing Saturday, but the Tour was clearly trying to protect Jon in the lead or near it had his second test came back negative. I thought the Tour had quicker testing, like 30

minute or less testing. Guess this one took at least a few hours. 

Edited June 6, 2021 by Holy Moses

[Holy Moses]

6 minutes ago, iutodd said:

Rickie out in 32.

 

-6 overall and T6.

Give that man an Oakley sponsorship 

[bscinstnct]

14 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

I agree. It’s just bad luck if Rahm recently had covid and didn’t get the vaccine because the CDC says it’s unlikely to happen to you if you recently had it. With that said, Rahm still could have and should have received the vaccine. Maybe he got a variant that covid immunity can’t protect him from and a vaccine would have. 

 

He did? Well that’s terrible luck. But, if he got vaccinated, he’d be playing right now.

 

 

[bladehunter]

25 minutes ago, myspinonit said:

If you are vaccinated you can still get it  (probably milder symptoms) and stiull pass it along. A friend of mine had both shots for some time, went on a gof trip with 7 other guys. Three of them weren't vaccinated. My friend felt fa=tigued the whole time and had pre-booked a Covid test for the end of the trip as a precaution. Yup he had it, and six of the eight guys tested positive.

This was my understanding too.  The vaccine doesn’t keep you from getting it. Just lessens symptoms.  And thus if you have it , you can pass it.   Which is why I question the vaccine having anything to do with the tours policy.  I think that independent of thinking that you should get the shot.  I’m simply thinking of transmission.  

[Holy Moses]

11 minutes ago, Kilo1545 said:

I think every understands the point you’re making, that the rules are the rules.  
 

The issue being raised is that the rules don’t make sense and/or they’ve already made exceptions to them and therefore the “just following the rules” excuse no longer holds water.  
 

They allowed him to finish playing the 3rd round while knowing he had a positive test. If it’s unsafe for him to play today, then it was unsafe for him to be playing 13-18 yesterday (or whatever hole he was on when the positive test result came back).

 

As someone said several pages back, they should have sprinted out onto the course and removed him immediately.  The fact that they didn’t means what...?

 

It’s like being pregnant.  You can’t be half pregnant; you are or you aren’t.  COVID-19 is either so dangerous as to warrant the protocols or it’s not so dangerous that exceptions can’t be made.  And they made an exception yesterday...

 

Zero-tolerance/no exception policies are so that wisdom and discretion don’t have to be used, which is a good thing considering how rare those 2 things are in today’s world.  

Has the Tour ever removed a player mid-round if a positive test came back? Or is is their policy to tell the player and his group to social distance until the second test comes back positive? 

[bladehunter]

12 minutes ago, iutodd said:

Rickie out in 32.

 

-6 overall and T6.

I’d love to see him win it as a silver lining to this crap show.  Him or Scotty Scheffler. ( spelling?) 

[CaseyC]

Again, from the Tour:

 

Rahm has tested negative every day, but his most recent test - which was performed after the conclusion of his second round (rain delayed) and before the start of his third round - returned positive at approximately 4.20pm Eastern Time while Rahm was on the golf course. The PGA Tour's medical advisor requested a confirmatory test on the original sample, which came back at 6.05pm ET, and was also positive."

[TiScape]

18 minutes ago, iutodd said:

Rickie out in 32.

 

-6 overall and T6.

Should have gotten those prescription shades a while ago! 

[3whacker]

lots of blame to go all around but the Tour needs to look long and hard at its policy...they all rolled the dice and it came back to bite them in their rear ends

 

and filing a lawsuit aint gonna happen, because one would spend more on legal fees than what is trying to be recovered, and you sure as heck aren't going to sue any entity that includes Jack

[Arn]

I’m not watching this farce of an event. Whoever “wins” will know deep down Inside that they lost. Not that I wouldn’t collect my cheque:)

[Holy Moses]

6 minutes ago, 3whacker said:

lots of blame to go all around but the Tour needs to look long and hard at its policy...they all rolled the dice and it came back to bite them in their rear ends

 

and filing a lawsuit aint gonna happen, because one would spend more on legal fees than what is trying to be recovered, and you sure as heck aren't going to sue any entity that includes Jack

How has it bitten them? Players stayed away from Jon and they confirmed he has covid. Getting bit is taking Rahm off the course and then testing negative on the confirmation test.

[MaximusDadius]

I understand there are many sides to the Rahm story and people have passionate opinions but I'll just add one more. For me, the tournament is an asterisk. Rahms leaving has left a bad taste in mouth and no matter who wins, I can't help but think the best guy this week isn't taking home the trophy. 

 

Say what you will about the rules being the rules, but the rules ain't always right. Others have correctly pointed out the glaringly obvious hypocrisy of the PGA and why he was allowed to continue playing. I would concur. I can't help but think a lot of the TV personalities are trying to put a positive spin on this, but deep down, they know the one guy that should be out there isn't... and second best this week is going to win. 

[thatbaseballguy22]

Scottie off to a hot start!

[Holy Moses]

24 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

This was my understanding too.  The vaccine doesn’t keep you from getting it. Just lessens symptoms.  And thus if you have it , you can pass it.   Which is why I question the vaccine having anything to do with the tours policy.  I think that independent of thinking that you should get the shot.  I’m simply thinking of transmission.  

No. The most recent data has shown that once you are fully vaccinated you almost certainly can’t even get covid, rarely pass it on to others, and if you do get covid it’s highly likely that it will be mild or you won’t even know you have it.

[CaseyC]

5 minutes ago, MaximusDadius said:

.... and second best this week is going to win. 

 

https://www.golfchannel.com/media/biggest-pga-tour-comebacks

 

Biggest PGA Tour Comebacks.

[Holy Moses]

7 minutes ago, MaximusDadius said:

I understand there are many sides to the Rahm story and people have passionate opinions but I'll just add one more. For me, the tournament is an asterisk. Rahms leaving has left a bad taste in mouth and no matter who wins, I can't help but think the best guy this week isn't taking home the trophy. 

 

Say what you will about the rules being the rules, but the rules ain't always right. Others have correctly pointed out the glaringly obvious hypocrisy of the PGA and why he was allowed to continue playing. I would concur. I can't help but think a lot of the TV personalities are trying to put a positive spin on this, but deep down, they know the one guy that should be out there isn't... and second best this week is going to win. 

The Tour has highly recommended that all its players get vaccinated so this scenario doesn’t occur. They are not to blame. 

[bladehunter]

43 minutes ago, tatertot said:

They've been vaccinated? Rules say once you've been vaccinated, exposure isn't an issue.

 

He needed 2 positives ... they didn't get the second positive till right before they told him ... at least that's what I've heard.

 

They've been vaccinated?

Is this reported as fact somewhere ?  That all the players he played with have been ?  Numbers given by tour say roughly 50 % vaccinated.  So I’d say it’s hard to believe the good fortune that all were.  But maybe so.  
 

at any rate. Is it Also said that there’s no transmission after vaccinated? 

 

39 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Rahm was tested a few times this week. He got a positive Friday night or early Saturday. I bet normally a player is DQd for that if they aren’t fully vaccinated, but maybe because Rahm was in the league another sample was tested. In the meantime Rahm’s playing partners are notified to stay 6 feet away until the second test comes back. If his partners stayed 6 feet away, which it sounds like they did after not high-fiving after the hole in one, they probably don’t have to be tested. Remember, Rahm was tested this week because he had close contact with a covid positive, not just because he was merely around one. You are right that it is crazy that Rahm was allowed to keep playing Saturday, but the Tour was clearly trying to protect Jon in the lead or near it had his second test came back negative. I thought the Tour had quicker testing, like 30

minute or less testing. Guess this one took at least a few hours. 

Good grief.  With that I’m out.  I’ll go cut some grass or something. 
 

I can’t believe that we’re now back to the double entendre of “ 6 ft safe 5 ft 10 unsafe “ and at the same time saying 6ft for today would be unsafe. It’s double talk anyway you splice it.  If he was safe yesterday. He’s safe today.  I’d argue that per common sense he nor anyone he played with is “ safe “ yesterday or today.  Yet only one is excluded.  This will never pass the sniff test for common sense. 

[Kilo1545]

The circular reasoning (or lack of) is astounding.  
 

If he wasn’t removed from yesterday’s round after the positive test, because they simply told his playing partners to social distance, etc., then that’s all that’s necessary for him to play today!

 

If yesterday’s playing partners don’t need to quarantine because they’re vaccinated, then Rahm can play today with any vaccinated player.  
 

Unless the vaccine isn’t an actual vaccine and doesn’t stop one from getting/passing the virus...in which case, his vaccinated playing partners from yesterday shouldn’t be out there today.  
 

Tour officials can stand 1 foot away and put their arms around him while informing him of the danger, but he can’t play golf 20 feet away from another player.  Oh...they were wearing masks?  The Rahm could simply wear a mask.  Oh...they’re vaccinated?  Then why are they wearing masks? 
 

Around and around...

 

 

 

[bscinstnct]

31 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

This was my understanding too.  The vaccine doesn’t keep you from getting it. Just lessens symptoms.  And thus if you have it , you can pass it.   Which is why I question the vaccine having anything to do with the tours policy.  I think that independent of thinking that you should get the shot.  I’m simply thinking of transmission.  

 

If you have the vaccine, and everyone else on tour does, they can just all play and not worry about it because, as you pointed out, it prevents you from getting sick. 
 

Things are complicated by some, or many it would seem, not getting it and they mood to do testing and tracing and all this crazyness. 
 

In Rahm case, it’s odd he got it twice? Is this really established? Really Bad luck for him there 
 

 

[3whacker]

25 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

How has it bitten them? Players stayed away from Jon and they confirmed he has covid. Getting bit is taking Rahm off the course and then testing negative on the confirmation test.

once he tested positive on Monday, they could have DQ'd him then but to allow him to play AND keep testing him was asking for what they got...either you are clear to play or you are not

[Skhacker]

2 hours ago, tatertot said:

Regardless of your politics ... the PGA Tour created hard and fast rules to avoid making hard decisions in these issues, whether the player was in dead last or 6 strokes ahead. The rules are black and white for a reason. The players agreed to the rules. No outcry from players, just from social media warriors.

This exactly. This situation is the epitome of a free country. The PGA Tour is free to establish rules and policies and run their business as they see fit and accept the consequences. 
Players are free to decide whether they want to be vaccinated or not, knowing these policies and rules, and accept the consequences. 
Freedom is a beautiful thing and we should be eternally grateful for it. 
However, freedom of choice does not always mean freedom of consequence.