The USA Ryder Cup team could be a train wreck

[khalespace]

The mystery is why did we pick a Links style golf course which the Euros are more comfortable on? Why not an American style golf course?

Edited September 8, 2021 by khalespace

[capking]

1 hour ago, bladehunter said:

Like I said. We will see right ?  I mean he was paired with tiger. Who played as poor as possible.  He saw Brooks and DJ and that drama , and he got his pairing swapped up last second.  We may never know why or how or at who’s request.  But we know it happened.  All that suggests a team that isn’t a team. One guy can’t cause all that.  Makes no sense.  

Spieth made a joke that might be telling last week I think, something to the tune that JT wouldn’t be playing if he wasn’t there? Something like that anyways. Might not be P Reed

[bladehunter]

32 minutes ago, capking said:

Spieth made a joke that might be telling last week I think, something to the tune that JT wouldn’t be playing if he wasn’t there? Something like that anyways. Might not be P Reed

Oh I definitely think he has a ton of pull.  Patrick signing his neck was a total D move.  It might be what’s biting him in the backside now.  

[bladehunter]

1 hour ago, khalespace said:

The mystery is why did we pick a Links style golf course which the Euros are more comfortable on? Why not an American style golf course?

I think they picked the course. Then that dictated Steve as capn.  As if he couldn’t captain outside of the cheese belt. 🤦‍♂️    
 

Wonder if there is  any word on how the “ bunkers “ will be played for the RC ?  

Edited September 9, 2021 by bladehunter

[capking]

10 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Oh I definitely think he has a ton of pull.  Patrick signing his neck was a total D move.  It might be what’s biting him in the backside now.  

I’m Canadian so I don’t really have a team but I usually will cheer for America, but I think I’m sadly going to cheer for the Euros. If Reed was on the team I wouldn’t be, the amount people hate him makes me cheer for him more haha, the ultimate heel. Hopefully Captain Stricker doesn’t lose too much sleep over losing me as a fan…

[toypor]

5 hours ago, khalespace said:

The mystery is why did we pick a Links style golf course which the Euros are more comfortable on? Why not an American style golf course?

While it looks linksy, I don’t think it plays much at all like a true links, other than it could be windy. Ground game is not much of an option as you need to fly the ball into most greens. Several forced carries. Likely will not play all that firm and fast. 
 

PGA 2015- 6 Americans and 1 Euro in top 10. 
 

PGA 2010- 5 Americans and 2 Euros in top 10. 

 

PGA 2004- 5 Americans and 1 Euro in top 10. 
 

 

 

 

[grm24]

5 hours ago, capking said:

Spieth made a joke that might be telling last week I think, something to the tune that JT wouldn’t be playing if he wasn’t there? 

That makes zero sense since JT qualified for the RC team on his own.

[grm24]

5 hours ago, khalespace said:

The mystery is why did we pick a Links style golf course which the Euros are more comfortable on? Why not an American style golf course?

The ET teams beat the US RC teams on any type of course.  Whistling Straits looks like a links course but it's not a true links. 

[grm24]

On 9/7/2021 at 9:50 AM, Holy Moses said:

 

To provide actual relevant context Sobel should have provided the records of all of the qualified American players for the last 4 RC as well. I'd bet it's not that good. The USA isn't losing Ryder Cup's solely based on the play of captains picks.

[Mustard_Tiger]

I'm VERY glad to see Patrick Reed not on the team. Well done Mr. Stricker.

[chillybilly]

It may have been said before in so many words but if one of the captain's primary (and unavoidable) concerns is personalities/egos/feuds then golf is by definition and necessity pushed down the list of priorities, possibly into 3rd or 4th place.

 

We know Euro players have egos too but as soon as they set foot in the venue (and usually before) it's like a fraternity reunion.

[MattyO1984]

If anyone is bored, head over to Patrick Reed’s twitter account and look at the tweets that he has most recently liked 😂 He and Justine must have been on a mission last night 😂

[stingerfade]

6 hours ago, grm24 said:

That makes zero sense since JT qualified for the RC team on his own.

That’s why it’s what is known as “a joke”

[beary]

18 hours ago, ChrisL52188 said:

Who will be the best partner for Bryson? 

Bryson

[Wasted_Talent]

Jordan can play with Bryson if JT sits out.  Jordan can play with anybody.

[Holy Moses]

Who gets in if Brooks pulls out due to injury? Webb, Reed, Na, or Kisner? 

[JungleJimbo]

8 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Who gets in if Brooks pulls out due to injury? Webb, Reed, Na, or Kisner? 

🔮 says “Kevin Na” 🙏 

[TheEldrickWand]

35 minutes ago, Gawbage_man said:

Jordan can play with Bryson if JT sits out.  Jordan can play with anybody.

 

Those two as a pair in alternate shot could actually slap. Bryson with the bomb off the tee and Spieth with the recovery. 

[Naptime]

7 hours ago, toypor said:

While it looks linksy, I don’t think it plays much at all like a true links, other than it could be windy. Ground game is not much of an option as you need to fly the ball into most greens. Several forced carries. Likely will not play all that firm and fast. 
 

PGA 2015- 6 Americans and 1 Euro in top 10. 
 

PGA 2010- 5 Americans and 2 Euros in top 10. 

 

PGA 2004- 5 Americans and 1 Euro in top 10. 
 

 

 

 

 

There would be about twice as many Americans than Europeans playing in the PGA tournament, so even by random chance we would expect more Americans among the top 10.  Roughly 75 Americans and 37 Europeans played in the 2015 tournament.  All 3 winners were not Americans.  Finishing second in the RC is finishing last.

 

Vijay Singh won in 2004

Martin Kaymer won in 2010

Jason Day won in 2015

 

So overall not sure what to conclude from past history at Whistling Straits.

 

[JaNelson38]

51 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Who gets in if Brooks pulls out due to injury? Webb, Reed, Na, or Kisner? 

 

Webb.  His style of play and personality can mesh with anyone.

 

Na is just too short to play the course that they want to set up for this event.  This thing is going to be a bombers paradise in an effort take advantage of the length off the tee the US will have.

 

If Reed was going to be on the team, he would have been picked right away.  Its clear that with the 12 guys they have, they already have potential partners already set.

Edited September 9, 2021 by JaNelson38

[Wasted_Talent]

46 minutes ago, TheEldrickWand said:

 

Those two as a pair in alternate shot could actually slap. Bryson with the bomb off the tee and Spieth with the recovery. 

 

Correct.  Jordan is used to hitting out of the rough.  Now he can hit wedges out of the rough.

[Fairway14]

14 hours ago, khalespace said:

The mystery is why did we pick a Links style golf course which the Euros are more comfortable on? Why not an American style golf course?

Kohler family (developer/owner of Whistling Straits) has been a supporter of the PGA of America as well as PGA Europe. Awarding the PGA Championship and Ryder Cup to Whistling Straights is a way of expressing  gratitude to the Kohler family.

[Fairway14]

18 hours ago, 3whacker said:

The US has traditionally done poorly in the Foursomes (alternate shot) they have to avoid any 1-3 morning sessions

 

Playing best ball in the morning and alternate shot in the afternoon is an option available to the home team. I don't know if that strategy would favor the USA Team but it is an option.

[Fairway14]

20 hours ago, capking said:

Is that why Stricker said he didn’t pick him? Reed not being 100% 

 

Stricker claimed health questions and not enough recent play as reason (s) for the omission of Reed from the team.

[johnseg]

1 hour ago, Gawbage_man said:

Jordan can play with Bryson if JT sits out.  Jordan can play with anybody.

Just don't show him up. He doesn't like that.

[Joe Lepping]

Billy Horschel should have been on the team when he won the FEDEX Cup, and he should be a Captain's pick this year

[golfandfishing]

8 hours ago, grm24 said:

The ET teams beat the US RC teams on any type of course.  Whistling Straits looks like a links course but it's not a true links. 

The European courses have been resort style courses since forever and the US team routinely gets thrashed on those as well so, like you said, it really doesn’t matter. Belfry, Gleneagles, Valderamma, Celtic Manor, etc. None are links courses, and Europe dominates this thing. They could play it at a Dave and Busters in Mississippi and still win by 5. 

[Holy Moses]

19 minutes ago, JaNelson38 said:

 

Webb.  His style of play and personality can mesh with anyone.

 

Na is just too short to play the course that they want to set up for this event.  This thing is going to be a bombers paradise in an effort take advantage of the length off the tee the US will have.

 

If Reed was going to be on the team, he would have been picked right away.  Its clear that with the 12 guys they have, they already have potential partners already set.

I don’t hate Na, but he’s not had a great record in majors. Only a few top 10s, not sure how he’d do in big events. 

[lightgrip]

As has been mentioned previously by myself and others, it comes down to putting. The Euros just seem to have made many more clutch putts than the USA in the last few Ryder Cups. Just my opinion, of course.

[Bad9]

On 7/8/2021 at 4:21 PM, Mcgeeno said:

The entire narrative that it doesn't matter only started sprouting up after a bunch of whooping's....Just my opinion.

 

And I don't recall that narrative ever come from the players, just all the experts on forums like this one. It sure seems like they care, win or lose or even trying to make the team. It might not be a major but it sure seems to matter to the players.