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I do. Currently playing a Ping G425 2H and a 2021 Cally Apex 4H. I have horrible consistency with the long irons and these just fit my game very well. 

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Radspeed 8, 13.5, 17.5/hzrdusgreentx                                                           Radspeed 21/tz4100m5+
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6 hours ago, Clubhoe said:

As I said, its probably true that irons and hybrids are equally workable.

But how many golfers would have to be convinced of that? Most.

Simply because a club that has less volume, we instinctively believe it has more workability.

And we usually have better results with what we have greater confidence in.

 

My reference to youtube videos is a general opinion of their credibility, due to so many contradictions in golf tips.

Ok lol So u meant to say “lack of basic golf equipment knowledge, and lack of desire to validate and trust the requisite research about golf equipment, leads to basing approaches to equipment in faulty logic” instead of ........“workability.”

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Radspeed 8, 13.5, 17.5/hzrdusgreentx                                                           Radspeed 21/tz4100m5+
Utility one length 3,4 iron/mmt105tx
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6 hours ago, extrastiff said:

The “many people” ....hybrids typically have longer shafts. So yes, if they do not take that easily quantifiable factor into account, I can see why one would think that. 
 

can u please link a video with two “coaches” stating contradictory theories on hybrid vs iron “workability.”  I doubt they are referring to any factors apart from shaft length. 

 

Cutting my hybrids down to iron length was an "a-ha!" moment.

 

The extra inch and a half of shaft vs. a comparably lofted iron wasn't helping with swing and contact quality. My general impression is many (most?) off-the-rack hybrids come with shafts that are way too long.

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Zero! I have 3 4 5 6 in the bag currently. And I can cut threw the wind with the 6 no problem. 

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3 hours ago, extrastiff said:

Ok lol So u meant to say “lack of basic golf equipment knowledge, and lack of desire to validate and trust the requisite research about golf equipment, leads to basing approaches to equipment in faulty logic” instead of ........“workability.”

Sure. Otherwise known as feel.

 

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20 hours ago, Old Tom Morris said:

I think the first hybrid ever was the old TaylorMade Raylor back in the late 80s early 90s.

First-gen Raylors were more of a trouble-club/fairway wood.

 

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2010 Raylors were more of a hybrid. Boat hull sole great for splitting rough and getting ball out. One challenge: keeping clubhead level at address, don't rock back on heel or let toe dip - sends shot offline. And, occasional low-face hit would be bullet that flew the green at worst time.

 

Used Raylor 3 (19*) in place of 5W for a couple of seasons, almost picked up R4.

 

These Raylors came with 65-gram REAX shaft, a slightly heavier one might have worked better for me at the time.

 

You can still find 2nd-gen Raylors here and there for about $45. If it looks interesting, give it a try!

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Driver:  Tour Edge EXS 10.5°, set 9.5°; weights neutral   ||  FWs:  Calla Rogue 4W + 7W

Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i-9i

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1 hour ago, ChipNRun said:

First-gen Raylors were more of a trouble-club/fairway wood.

 

image.png.5a4457371161a9ea439e97c5d4f5f7cf.png

2010 Raylors were more of a hybrid. Boat hull sole great for splitting rough and getting ball out. One challenge: keeping clubhead level at address, don't rock back on heel or let toe dip - sends shot offline. And, occasional low-face hit would be bullet that flew the green at worst time.

 

Used Raylor 3 (19*) in place of 5W for a couple of seasons, almost picked up R4.

 

These Raylors came with 65-gram REAX shaft, a slightly heavier one might have worked better for me at the time.

 

You can still find 2nd-gen Raylors here and there for about $45. If it looks interesting, give it a try!

The old Ginty patents must have expired for TaylorMade to introduce “boat hull” design.

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19 minutes ago, Old Tom Morris said:

The old Ginty patents must have expired for TaylorMade to introduce “boat hull” design.

@Old Tom Morris Thanks for mentioning Ginty. Do you recall ever seeing a callaway hybrid club with a Ginty-esque sole? (other than the Warbird)


saw this in Golfweek USAToday: “In the early 1990s, Thompson considered suing Callaway Golf over its Warbird sole, which bore a striking resemblance to the sole of the Ginty. After Thompson’s death in 1995, Callaway wasted little time in purchasing the Ginty trademark and patent from the Thompson estate.

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2006/10/30/2006-retro-active-ginty/

 

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2 minutes ago, JungleJimbo said:

@Old Tom Morris Thanks for mentioning Ginty. Do you recall ever seeing a callaway hybrid club with a Ginty-esque sole? (other than the Warbird)


saw this in Golfweek USAToday: “In the early 1990s, Thompson considered suing Callaway Golf over its Warbird sole, which bore a striking resemblance to the sole of the Ginty. After Thompson’s death in 1995, Callaway wasted little time in purchasing the Ginty trademark and patent from the Thompson estate.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, JungleJimbo said:

@Old Tom Morris Thanks for mentioning Ginty. Do you recall ever seeing a callaway hybrid club with a Ginty-esque sole? (other than the Warbird)


saw this in Golfweek USAToday: “In the early 1990s, Thompson considered suing Callaway Golf over its Warbird sole, which bore a striking resemblance to the sole of the Ginty. After Thompson’s death in 1995, Callaway wasted little time in purchasing the Ginty trademark and patent from the Thompson estate.

 

 

I had a warbird 7 wood at one point and but not another  Callaway fairway wood since. 

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Went from all irons (plus Driver) five years ago to Team Four Hybrids.  Messed around with hybrids starting with the first gen TM rescue, sporadically bagged an Adams but didn't find one I truly loved until the Titleist 818H1.  Started with one, quickly went to two, then three.  Dropped the 5i last year and added the 6h.  Sorely tempted to pick up a 7h, though it would probably have to be a Ping.

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Experimented with Ping G425 3, 5, 7 hybrid at stock lofts at h th ex start of the season, so 19, 26, 34 degrees. Then 9 Iron at about 40 degrees. Mixed results with my gaps, possibly due to the shaft lengths of the hybrids being longer. Dropped the 7 hybrid and added 7 and 8 iron bag in the bag. So far so good. 

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56 minutes ago, JungleJimbo said:

saw this in Golfweek USAToday: “In the early 1990s, Thompson considered suing Callaway Golf over its Warbird sole, which bore a striking resemblance to the sole of the Ginty. After Thompson’s death in 1995, Callaway wasted little time in purchasing the Ginty trademark and patent from the Thompson estate.

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2006/10/30/2006-retro-active-ginty/

 

image.png.11e3f62ea4882df79b07b762b47d9671.pngResemblance maybe, striking not really. The Ginty (left) had a boat hull type design. But, the sole had a smooth wave with a ridge mid-sole. The Warbird would have been an improvement on the concept, altering the actual sole dynamics.

 

The Warbird had concave depressions in both the toe and heel areas. This produced a sort of hovercraft effect in which generated an anti-dig movement through the turf, rather than slide-through à la Ginty.

 

Wedges feature a similar concave sole depression. Examples are the Ping Glide Eye2 grind and the Callaway MD2 and MD-PM U-grind

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I struggle with hybrids -- much more so than with long irons.

 

Currently carrying a P790 UDI 2i, and 3-pw 718 CB. I love the CB 3 iron. I hit a high ball and generate a lot of spin with Irons. I either block or pull every hybrid I try to play. 

 

I am not perfect with irons by any means, but my misses tend to be less egregious.  The 818H1 and Ping hybrids I tried were disasters.

 

Maybe I try to hit them like woods?

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If you need a little extra help getting the ball in the air and could use the extra forgiveness (which seems to me to be about 80% of the golfers I see on my local munis), then go with hybrids down to at least 5h. I understand and appreciate the price difference between irons/hybrids can be prohibitive, but Mizuno's JPX 921 Fli-Hi hybrid is just $125 and is available all the way down to 7h (I have the Fli-Hi 4h, and love it). And it's true hybrids can be a drag in the wind, but just keep a 4 or 5 iron and throw it in the bag when you need it...

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In the past I had trouble hooking hybrids that I picked up here and there with stock S flex shafts.  I would generally losing them left, right and sometimes long.  Anyway, I had a Callaway Rogue 4 hybrid that put an aerotech steelfiber HLS980 shaft in and it instantly became my favorite club.  I added a 3 hybrid and then replaced my 5 iron with a 5 hybrid.  I went back and forth with the 5 iron or 5 hybrid in the bag for a while but realized that the 5 hybrid works better.  Anyway I have been pretty happy with the 3, 4 and 5 hybrids in my bag but lately I have been noticing that I am not hitting the 6 iron as consistently as the 5 hybrid...  So today I ordered Rogue 6 hybrid from Callaway Preowned and a steelfiber shaft from Golfworks.  LOL I am slowly moving towards all hybrids...  I still practice a fair amount with my 5 iron which makes the 5 hybrid feel easier to hit when I am playing.

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When I came back to golf a few years ago and wasn't your prototypical 230 yd 7 iron hitting WRXer, I went to the local golf shop and bought the cheapest new set I could find - The Adams A12OS - 4-6 hybrid - 7-GW irons. Played that until a couple of years ago. I still play the hybrids but have upgraded the irons to Ping i210s. I've bought a 5 and 6 iron in the 210s but haven't gamed the 5 iron this year yet. I just hit the 5 hybrid better and more consistently. Will probably upgrade the hybrids this year as well.

 

Highly recommend at least trying hybrids in the long and mid iron ranges. Unless you're a 230 yd 7 iron hitting WRXer of course. 😆

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I was never a hybrid fan until I shortened the shafts.

 

I now play a 3 hybrid with a 4 hybrid shaft, 4 with a 5, 5 with a 6.

 

Another cheap option are the Mizuno JPX HiFli hybrids, which come with the same length shafts as the equivalent iron.

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Hybrids just don't feel great to hit.

 

Flush a long iron and the feel is sublime.

 

Crush a fairway wood and the feel is very satisfying.

 

I almost feel that if I had to play hybrids I just wouldn't enjoy the game so much and the striking sensation is the least enjoyable of any clubs.

 

As always YMMV.

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anything lower than 18 deg or so goes way too low

anything more than 22 deg flys way to high

 

So for me I love to carry one.  19 or 20 deg ish.  

 

Right now I don't have one though

 

 

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I've got decently high swing speed (not golfwrx SS mind you) and I carry 3 and 4 hybrid (Ping G410).  They're just so easy to hit and flexible.  Bunting them is super easy from suspect lies etc.  I struggle with contact taking some off long irons so the hybrids work for me.  I just had to learn to swing easier with them.  If I try to hit 4 hybrid like I hit 4 iron it goes everywhere.  If just swing smooth and easy it goes just as far as 4 iron and straight(ish)

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Saw a TXG segment from Ian and Matt on hybrids. Matt was blown away by how accurately the 3H and 4H flew, and how smooth they felt.

 

One suggestion: Take standard hybrids and trim back to "iron replacement" shaft length for better control.

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Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i-9i

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