2021 US Open

[bladehunter]

25 minutes ago, Fairways_and_Greens said:

Bah, such weak gatekeeping logic. So if you haven't held office, you can't comment on politics? If you haven't been a greenskeeper you can comment on course conditions or pin locations. If you haven't designed and manufactured clubs you can't comment on the performance?

 

I've done all the things in that tweet, so can I comment safely? Please tell me wise gatekeeper.

Agree. I’ve been an assistant super on a course. ( in my uncle Rico days ).  But I don’t feel like my comment held more weight than the guy who has never raked a bunker or changed a cup. 

[Fairways_and_Greens]

17 minutes ago, Par Be A Joke said:

Well according to Jim's Twitter account he is a world class shuffle board player...  So you cannot comment on that...🤣

 

Shortgrass Farms

@ShortgrassFarms

We can help you grow good grass, anywhere!

Jim Wallace, President and Chief Mowing Officer

Golf Course Superintendent & World Class Shuffleboard Player

And I love "greasing a dozer" made it. Not finding investors and buying land, not designing drainage and watering, not *running* a dozer... looks like its a list of his job description.🤣

[ebrasmus21]

[Fairways_and_Greens]

Oh man. Faldo is on Peacock right now. I don't know if he's going to be able to make it all day without a nap. His sideburns should be noticeably longer by the time the final group putts out.

[jonsnow]

22 minutes ago, Par Be A Joke said:

Well according to Jim's Twitter account he is a world class shuffle board player...  So you cannot comment on that...🤣

 

Shortgrass Farms

@ShortgrassFarms

We can help you grow good grass, anywhere!

Jim Wallace, President and Chief Mowing Officer

Golf Course Superintendent & World Class Shuffleboard Player

Being a world class shuffle board player is a thing? That's what I love about this place, I learn something new every day.

[Oneput]

Wolff -3 (thru 13)

[gvogel]

1 hour ago, BNGL said:

PREACH!!!

Nice of Rees Jones to post on WRX.

[carrier street]

2 minutes ago, Oneput said:

Wolff -3 (thru 13)

I like that kid. I hope he pulls it together. 

[carrier street]

Phil with the true alpha move of a Trackman and GC Quad at the same time.

[Oneput]

Correction

Wolff started on 10th

[ThinkingPlus]

4 minutes ago, Oneput said:

Correction

Wolff started on 10th

According to his tee time, Wolff hasn't teed off yet.

[bscinstnct]

7 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

According to his tee time, Wolff hasn't teed off yet.

🤣

 

Right?! 
 

wth Going on here?

[Showtime9]

1 minute ago, bscinstnct said:

🤣

 

Right?! 
 

wth Going on here?

He just birded his 1st hole of the day

[ThinkingPlus]

1 minute ago, bscinstnct said:

🤣

 

Right?! 
 

wth Going on here?

I suspect that fog delay = re-hash of 2020 for personal interest piece on Wolff.

[bladehunter]

Is it playing yet ?  I now cannot find it on the app !?

[BNGL]

59 minutes ago, gvogel said:

Nice of Rees Jones to post on WRX.

LMFAO nah I ain’t RJ. But to me there’s nothing worse than a “woke golf course architect” if that’s your schtick good for you I couldn’t care less. I see the posts here oh this place sucks there’s no verticality this place is so much better down the road or whatever. Great you’re so much better informed on golf course design. I’m still probably going to be beat you (+3.5 index) I play better courses (played Seminole, Jupiter Hills, and Bears Club this past spring on a trip got an Augusta trip scheduled this winter) and never ever once have I ever thought while walking down any of those fairways hmmm this guy has no idea what he designed move the fairway here or bunker here. In my time as a superintendent I got to meet many of the most loved/hated designers. I went thru renovations and made suggestions that I thought were great ideas as a player AND greens keeper. Each and every time I was told no and here’s why and the designers took me thru it step by step why it wasn’t a good idea to increase the landing area or add a chipping area etc. These designers/shapers are savants incredible how well they can visualize and conceptualize something in there head and then make it happen. 

[Showtime9]

2 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Is it playing yet ?  I now cannot find it on the app !?

You can also watch it on Peacock!

[bladehunter]

7 minutes ago, Showtime9 said:

You can also watch it on Peacock!

Isn’t that a subscription? 

[smashdn]

18 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Will do for sure.  I’ve watched a million rounds on that course .... probably seen the 08 open in full 10 times.  And I can name #1 and #18.  And I’m not sure I can name #1 if it’s a blind test from the tee box view.  Just one of my least favorite  us open venues.  Pebble is x10 better. 

 

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That guy thinks the routing needs work.  I think a routing change would help but Torrey still suffers from bland architecture.  Props for the setting though.

 

Ranked 77 out of 100 courses you can play by GOLF.  Ouch.  Not exactly a shining example for a major championship.

[golfortennis]

You know, there are positives to the delay.  To wit, those in the eastern time zone did not see play until approximately 11:15 am.  That means those who are playing the drinking game that is to take one every time there is mention of 2008 and Woods will not be drunk before noon.  Over/under is 12:30.  Which is about now. 

[Frankensteins Monster]

Anybody know how many months along Kuchar is? Must be a boy since he's carrying it low.

[Frankensteins Monster]

1 minute ago, bladehunter said:

Isn’t that a subscription? 

No, not for this, but it's now on Golf Channel anyway.

Edited June 17, 2021 by Frankensteins Monster

[golfortennis]

9 minutes ago, BNGL said:

LMFAO nah I ain’t RJ. But to me there’s nothing worse than a “woke golf course architect” if that’s your schtick good for you I couldn’t care less. I see the posts here oh this place sucks there’s no verticality this place is so much better down the road or whatever. Great you’re so much better informed on golf course design. I’m still probably going to be beat you (+3.5 index) I play better courses (played Seminole, Jupiter Hills, and Bears Club this past spring on a trip got an Augusta trip scheduled this winter) and never ever once have I ever thought while walking down any of those fairways hmmm this guy has no idea what he designed move the fairway here or bunker here. In my time as a superintendent I got to meet many of the most loved/hated designers. I went thru renovations and made suggestions that I thought were great ideas as a player AND greens keeper. Each and every time I was told no and here’s why and the designers took me thru it step by step why it wasn’t a good idea to increase the landing area or add a chipping area etc. These designers/shapers are savants incredible how well they can visualize and conceptualize something in there head and then make it happen. 

 

Careful BNGL.  I don't disagree with your point, but you're really approaching pepper territory in trying to make it.

[smashdn]

3 hours ago, BNGL said:

PREACH!!!

 

The good news is there are plenty of actual golf course architects dunking on Torrey South too.

 

USGA swing an miss before they even leave the on-deck circle.

[BNGL]

1 hour ago, Fairways_and_Greens said:

Bah, such weak gatekeeping logic. So if you haven't held office, you can't comment on politics? If you haven't been a greenskeeper you can comment on course conditions or pin locations. If you haven't designed and manufactured clubs you can't comment on the performance?

 

I've done all the things in that tweet, so can I comment safely? Please tell me wise gatekeeper.

I loved that tweet because it’s insane how many Course designers are on this site. Everyone has opinions and people (unfortunately) have the ability to share them with everyone else. I worked with and met some of the best designers in the world…Arnold Palmer and his crew, Nicklaus and his crew, Fazio and his crew, Norman, Beau Welling, Jan Bel Jan, Bobby Weed. As I said I worked hand in hand with a few for renovations and I made suggestions as a well informed player (washed up professional, All American college player) and superintendent about something’s that I thought were good ideas. Enlarge a landing area, expand some chipping areas, slide a bunker over etc. each time I was told no because of 10 things that I never thought of. These designers aren’t idiots this is their job they have the experience the crew and the direction of ownership/membership/Tour of what to design and how to do it. Someone sitting at home who’s never walked the fairways or played a caliber of golf anywhere near approaching Tour standards isn’t the best informed opinion. Now if Tour players were saying hey this place sucks then yeah go for it. I do know players don’t care for it from a facilities standpoint (locker rooms and practice range SUCKS!) and some (most?) prefer the North course but players are largely ambivalent towards the South course.

[BNGL]

3 minutes ago, golfortennis said:

 

Careful BNGL.  I don't disagree with your point, but you're really approaching pepper territory in trying to make it.

TBH it’s an online forum that doesn’t matter. I know my legacy in the game is cemented with a US Open and multiple PGA Tour Invitationals. Unless you read me writing “this is opinion or a shot in the dark” a lot/majority of the stuff I post is based on what I know from working with the Tour, talking to Tour players, trying to play myself, or maintaining multiple elite and championship caliber golf courses. People are free to post and think what they want but there’s times where people are telling you how it is. 
 

I assume with you pepper reference you mean @pepperturbo? He’s not the best…we’ve been back and forth on golf course conditions in a thread. What do I know though he’s on the board at two “mid level regional golf courses” (his actual quote). I only played a role in hosting a US Open, and 7 PGA Tour Invitationals, then worked a playground for billionaires and past presidents. And also have an undergrad and 25 years experience of growing grass. But yeah he’s a board member… I’m going to take a backseat 

[bladehunter]

9 minutes ago, BNGL said:

LMFAO nah I ain’t RJ. But to me there’s nothing worse than a “woke golf course architect” if that’s your schtick good for you I couldn’t care less. I see the posts here oh this place sucks there’s no verticality this place is so much better down the road or whatever. Great you’re so much better informed on golf course design. I’m still probably going to be beat you (+3.5 index) I play better courses (played Seminole, Jupiter Hills, and Bears Club this past spring on a trip got an Augusta trip scheduled this winter) and never ever once have I ever thought while walking down any of those fairways hmmm this guy has no idea what he designed move the fairway here or bunker here. In my time as a superintendent I got to meet many of the most loved/hated designers. I went thru renovations and made suggestions that I thought were great ideas as a player AND greens keeper. Each and every time I was told no and here’s why and the designers took me thru it step by step why it wasn’t a good idea to increase the landing area or add a chipping area etc. These designers/shapers are savants incredible how well they can visualize and conceptualize something in there head and then make it happen. 

I agree with you and don’t find this course memorable all at the same time. 
 

Don’t take this as a challenge or argument. Because it’s not. I don’t currently have the energy.  
 

I grew up around the building of the game. My grandfather ( who raised me so may as well be dad ) worked shaping tees and greens and growing grass on them behind the architect Russel Breeden. As a early teen I tagged along during the summer and watched / rode the big dozers and pans moving earth.  I heard first hand the discussions on why this was this way etc. and I have the grade blueprints to prove it for over 35 courses.  The hand drawings by the architect on huge paper that showed the operators what to do.
 

said all that to say.  These men and women weren’t taught how to do that.  They just saw it.  As you said. That plus experience in messing up and having to change things.  If that so , then it’s not unreasonable to think that people not connected to the build or maintenance of a course could have a good eye for things.  Doesn’t make them correct. But it doesn’t automatically make their opinions worthless.  
 

again.  That’s not me trying to one up you.  I’m clearly less knowledgeable as all my experience is 15 plus years old now. And wasn’t equal to begin with.   I grew up on a course every day from age. 12 to 18. But when I got out I got all the way out.   And I never played while I was in the first time.  So it was strictly from a build and maintenance point of view.  And we both know that players and maintenance guys don’t always or even usually see eye to eye.  I had a super once who used to say that the worst thing about a golf course was the golfers. 😂but they also were needed to pay to keep up the course.  

anyway. I just don’t think it’s bad to discuss it. If they’re wrong tell them why.  And that’s that. 
 

 

[bladehunter]

13 minutes ago, Frankensteins Monster said:

No, not for this, but it's now on Golf Channel anyway.

Thanks for that. I don’t know why it went away on the app. But o got it on golf Chanel.  So that’s even better.  

[BNGL]

1 minute ago, bladehunter said:

I agree with you and don’t find this course memorable all at the same time. 
 

Don’t take this as a challenge or argument. Because it’s not. I don’t currently have the energy.  
 

I grew up around the building of the game. My grandfather ( who raised me so may as well be dad ) worked shaping tees and greens and growing grass on them behind the architect Russel Breeden. As a early teen I tagged along during the summer and watched / rode the big dozers and pans moving earth.  I heard first hand the discussions on why this was this way etc. and I have the grade blueprints to prove it for over 35 courses.  The hand drawings by the architect on huge paper that showed the operators what to do.
 

said all that to say.  These men and women weren’t taught how to do that.  They just saw it.  As you said. That plus experience in messing up and having to change things.  If that so , then it’s not unreasonable to think that people not connected to the build or maintenance of a course could have a good eye for things.  Doesn’t make them correct. But it doesn’t automatically make their opinions worthless.  
 

again.  That’s not me trying to one up you.  I’m clearly less knowledgeable as all my experience is 15 plus years old now. And wasn’t equal to begin with.   I grew up on a course every day from age. 12 to 18. But when I got out I got all the way out.   And I never played while I was in the first time.  So it was strictly from a build and maintenance point of view.  And we both know that players and maintenance guys don’t always or even usually see eye to eye.  I had a super once who used to say that the worst thing about a golf course was the golfers. 😂but they also were needed to pay to keep up the course.  

anyway. I just don’t think it’s bad to discuss it. If they’re wrong tell them why.  And that’s that. 
 

 

Golfers are the worst haha. Most every super worth his salt shares that same opine. No challenge at all, wanna know why? You’re reasonable and back up your claims with what you believe and say so in a clear concise intelligible manner. That’s something I respect we’ve gone back and forth for sure And while we might not agree I can respect what you say because you back it up. 

[tsecor]

I hope we see phil hit a putt past the hole and run over and hit it again before it stops.