Address vs Impact

[KD1]

For what reasons should I *not* setup to the ball in the impact position I'm going for rather than a standard address position?

 

I watched a Malaska video a little while back about learning from correct impact position and building your swing backwards. Fast forward to yesterday and I watched a Milo Lines video about how he likes to see the chest more open at impact. So I took that to the range today. I setup in impact position, and just rotate back and through the ball. I started with chips and worked up to full rotation. It *feels* dead simple like you can't screw it up. Add a little of Monte's NTC cast B right hand motion and that ball was easily sailing further than my normal shots.

 

Then I tried to get back to that impact position from a normal setup and back swing and my ball striking constancy fell apart. Obviously I've got other issues and a lot of work to do here. But that still makes me wonder, if I can hit as far if not further by setting up to the ball in impact position why not always do that?

 

I think that's essentially what Matthew Wolff is doing with his little trigger move, right? ...rehearsing impact?

[SNIPERBBB]

There's a danger in getting "locked up" starting there, especially if you don't have the greatest mobility to start with.

[NoTalentLefty]

Not a pro here but take a look at Jim Venetos videos on YouTube. Also do a search on DST golf, it’s trying to sell a club training device but you can see some of the reasons they believe in setting up more like a impact positions. I use something similar to Venetos swing and believe it can help golfers willing to try a new approach at setup. Helped me immensely due to physical issues with hips but the swing method  is not necessarily limited to those cases.

[KD1]

1 hour ago, SNIPERBBB said:

There's a danger in getting "locked up" starting there, especially if you don't have the greatest mobility to start with.

 

What do you mean by locked up? It could keep one from being able to rotate?

 

20 minutes ago, NoTalentLefty said:

Not a pro here but take a look at Jim Venetos videos on YouTube. Also do a search on DST golf, it’s trying to sell a club training device but you can see some of the reasons they believe in setting up more like a impact positions. I use something similar to Venetos swing and believe it can help golfers willing to try a new approach at setup. Helped me immensely due to physical issues with hips but the swing method  is not necessarily limited to those cases.

 

Venetos' setup and impact position are about the exact opposite of what I was going for, lol. But point taken.

[MonteScheinblum]

Because the swing is a dynamic movement, not a still frame.

 

Because the downswing is a reaction to the backswing and transition and what you think is a proper impact might make you hit it worse considering your current movements.

 

Because it’s been tried countless times and doesn’t work.

 

Because if it was viable, elite golfers would have figured it out a long time ago.

 

…to name a few

[SNIPERBBB]

15 minutes ago, KD1 said:

 

What do you mean by locked up? It could keep one from being able to rotate?

 

 

Venetos' setup and impact position are about the exact opposite of what I was going for, lol. But point taken.

More weight you put on the front foot , it's harder to rotate in the backswing.just sounds SnT'ish to me.

[KD1]

5 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Because if it was viable, elite golfers would have figured it out a long time ago.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pretending to have discovered something or had one of those fleeting eureka moments. I realize *no one* plays that way and there has to be good reason(s), I'm just wanting to learn what they are.

[KD1]

16 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Because the downswing is a reaction to the backswing and transition and what you think is a proper impact might make you hit it worse considering your current movements.

 

Btw side note, I've recently started working through your efficient swing series. Trying to take it slow spending a day or two focusing on one segment at a time with a mirror or camera... Sorry for skipping ahead on you to this impact position thing... I'll try not to do that anymore 😄

[Barfolomew]

Play with it for Fun!  Keep your regular play polished but mess around with it.... it's the only way to know if something works PLUS maybe you'll steal a small part of it and put that in your swing or use as a drill...

 

I'm self taught and experiment all the time manage par golf and everyone and their mother will tell you that you can't do something.... lot of fear out there

 

I'd say make it a dynamic move tho dont get all robotic prob hurt yourself...

 

 

[Zitlow]

Forward press to start your swing and you'll get a preview of impact. 

[NoTalentLefty]

1 hour ago, SNIPERBBB said:

More weight you put on the front foot , it's harder to rotate in the backswing.just sounds SnT'ish to me.

I would agree but Venetos wouldn’t 

[juststeve]

Impact is different from address but sometimes its good to ignore the difference and swing the club through the address position.  That is what Sam Snead did by way of an on the fly correction when his swing was a bit off.  Manny encouraged some of his students to swing the club back and then slowly return it to its place behind the.  When speed is added to the exercise impact no longer looks like address but it is speed that does that, not some deliberate effort to get to an impact position. 

 

Steve

[hoganfan924]

John Schlee, a Hogan disciple, and a very good player in his own right (lost the '73 US Open by 1 stroke to Johnny Miller's 63 final round), advocated addressing at "impact fix," but in reality, he didn't quite get there.  As a drill, it's not a bad way of getting the correct concept of how impact should be.  There are a lot of interesting points in his book "Maximum Golf."  Someone recently posted all of Schlee's Maximum Golf videos on youtube: